When students go to college, they go to learn. They do not go to impose their viewpoints on the school. When employees go to work, they do not go to impose their viewpoints on the employer.
Religious upbringing should not be an acceptable reason for changing what is real. Students should not be allowed to, in essence, say, "I already know what is right or wrong because I was previously taught by my upbringing or my religion."
Employees would not be allowed to tell their employer, "You should do it this way because I know best."
One would not find it acceptable to accept the tenets of the Shiite or Sunni way of thinking; why would education accept this from a Christian student?
It's time to grow up and say, "Mama, you sent me to college to learn; now that I have learned, you will not accept what I learned." This is education -- learning the realities of life and working within it.
Robert L. Nazare
Martinez
I agree that students shouldn't disrupt a class with their viewpoints; however, certain subjects (literature, philosophy, political science, for instance) can't be taught well without some discussion and even some debate.
I don't consider psychology a science. From Sigmund Freud to Dr. Phil, there have been too many conflicting views for them all to be right; besides, there is no possible way to control the mind enough for scientific experimentation.
I can remember seeing homosexualilty discussed in some journals during the 1960s. The prevailing opinion then was that homosexual behavior was errant and abnormal. I can't help thinking that the prevailing opinion changed over the years, not because of science, but because of political correctness.
Frankly, I think psychology has long been at war with Christianity. In the 1960s, for instance, pop psychologists were saying our concepts of sin were hangups that ought to be trashed. Psychology encourages people to blame their problems on others--a practice dating back to the Garden of Eden, where Adam blamed his sin on Eve and she blamed the serpent.
If I were the student, I'd try to transfer to an accredited Christian school where biblical counseling is taught and appreciated.
Learn to dance before you invent your own. If one scientist goes to the trouble to document observations and build a case for his view then it is only fitting that scientists with opposing views do the same, or they are just proselytizing and will be laughed out of the room. Fundy's opinion of psychology matters not. Science is science whether you agree or not. If you disagree, build a more reasonable case.
Fundamental, please do not think that Dr. Phil and the pop psychologists are true representatives of the science of psychology. They no more represent psychology than do some of the TV preachers represent Christianity.
Fundamental, competent psychologists do not teach people that someone else is to blame for their problems. You are attacking people of whom you have, as far as I can see, very little knowledge. Do you not take seriously the Biblical commandment against bearing false testimony against your neighbor?
Do you take the Biblical commandment not to eat shellfish and pork?
I can imagine someone in a Geology class wouldn't get very far claiming all the rocks are 6,000 years old because that what her religious beliefs say. Perhaps she should have gone to a school that teaches "real" science, say Bob Jones or Liberty.
Science is constantly changing. The Earth gets older and older while the Bible and much evidence shows it as a young earth. Science is a lot of theory and a few facts and it is always changing. The Bible doesn't have to change because it is proved correct over and over and over. Time is always on the Bible's side whether it is a statement about history, science, sin, food, seasons, relationships etc. The Words of the Bible create a truly educated person who can then take whatever man says and run it through the Bible filter and know what will be true and what will be found to be false. By doing that you eliminate a lot of grief in your life and dumb decisions. Any information that goes against the nature of God will be found to be wrong. A fact is a fact whether you can prove it or not and the truth is the truth no matter where it comes from.
Techfan, I'm beginning to believe I'm the one that is deluded. Soldout is proof. We've been over all of the issues every day for a month, then soldout repeats the same old crap, like a robot. Could it be everyone on here is a troll?
Students go to college to learn - not to be indoctrinated. Augusta State has been exposed as a secular humanist college which pushes the secular world view. A true Christian should avoid professors at Augusta State who are intolerant of Christian beliefs. If this is not possible, then they should find an appropriate college.
You know you are from Augusta Georgia, if all the LTEs have a reference to God, the Bible and sinners.
soldout you would fit in perfectly in the early 1600's when the christian power structure forced Galileo to recant his statements that the earth was not the center of the universe. Science works on documented observations, not the bible. It is a fact, fully observed, that the earth is a tiny planet orbiting a star out of billions of planets and billions of stars. People who think like you do are why so many people have problems dealing with religious fanatics. In case you did not know, facts are things you can observe and measure in some way, faith is believing in things you can't see in any way.
By the way soldout, the earth is approximately 4.5 billion years old.
momster59; a fact is a fact whether it is ever proven by man or not. By the way the Bible said the earth was round while all the smart men said it was flat.
Also soldout, there is no hell found in the center of the earth, just an outer core of liquid iron surrounding a solid inner core of iron.
jiclemens :- No, not everyone on here is a troll. You have become increasing agitated and passed the point of stating your own opinion to engaging in an argument.
It is my opinion that you are wasting your time with posters like soldout and swinter5. The baptist conditioning is so ingrained in such people that it has removed the ability to think or reason.
Techfan :- An excellent point about geology. All rocks are 6000 years old, now gimmee my degree, I'm gonna work for BP.
Chasboy:- Third time I have seen the same post from you. Maybe you missed the part where Jesus said "It is not what goes into the mouth that defileth a man, but what comes out of the mouth."
soldout, could you please quote the exact scripture from your book (which I have read MULTIPLE times all the way through during my life) which states the earth is round? Which "smart" men ever said the world was flat? What does this have to do with christians condemning scientific observations?
fact:
1. an event or thing known to have happened or existed
2. a truth verifiable from experience or observation
faith1 a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
2 a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust
3 : something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs
momster**you treat the secular view of science as fact**by your definition science works on documented obervations. where are these documented obervations say on the missing links or whatever in darwism..evolution is built on speculation and theory and yes faith that evidence is correctly intepreted or understood..sort of like your definition of religion..the science of orgin of life and the earth is no more fact than the man in the moon..quit pretending science has the answers it doesnt..we just dont know...
nofanofobama, please see the definition of fact and faith. There has been much physical evidence as to evolution of ALL living things. These different skeletal remains and fossils change to resemble modern humans as they come forward in the timeline. Just because you choose not to look at the physical evidence does not mean it's not there.
It is a fact that my chair exists because I can see it, touch it, measure it. I have faith in a spiritual being, because while I believe, I can not see, touch or measure this being.
momster59 -- While I agree that faith is believing in something that one cannot see, I question your logic. You can't see the wind, yet you know it is there because you see and feel the affects of it. For those of us who have a relationship with Christ, the presence of Him in our lives is as real to us as the wind blowing through the air. We feel and see the difference He makes in our lives.
your statement of fossial records is simply wrong. and yes i have seen the case for evolution**it takes a leap of faith to believe it..and to say any difference as a fact is a complete misreprensentation of exisiting evidence..
On the molecular scale, I can see the wind, I can measure the wind. No one is telling you not to have your beliefs, but beliefs are not facts, they are acts of faith. I have faith, just not the same belief system you do.
As for you nofan, I seriously doubt you have seen the overwhelming amount of fossilized evidence. I have seen much of it in person at various museums around the world. I will allow you to believe or disbelieve as you choose. However, I will not allow your beliefs to infringe in the rights of others.
"I can remember seeing homosexualilty discussed in some journals during the 1960s. The prevailing opinion then was that homosexual behavior was errant and abnormal. I can't help thinking that the prevailing opinion changed over the years, not because of science, but because of political correctness."
The prevailing opinion for many years was that smoking didn't harm you.
The prevailing opinion for many years is that you couldn't be an addict if you took prescription medications.
The prevailing opinion for many years was that DDT was good.
The prevailing opinion for many years was that it was a sin to mix races.
The prevailing opinion for many years was that it was ok to discriminate against anybody that wasn't white.
The prevailing opinion for many years was that it was ok to abuse your spouse and child.
I could go on and on and on. How sad that people are stuck in the past and refuse to understand that mankind is constantly learning and finding out new information about things.
MOMSTER--oh thank you oh thank you for allowing me to believe as i choose..and i will not let your views infringe on the rights of others..what does that mean..
nofan - if you can't understand a simple statement written on a 6th grade level, I can't enlighten you.
please enlightenen me**or please type slower so i can understand better
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Slow enough for you?
Momster, the Bible is clear that the earth is spheroid. Isaiah 40:22 tells us that the earth is circular, not flat.
I also believe the universe to be about 14.5 billion years old, and do not believe this fact (what is believed to be a fact, anyway) contradicts Genesis at all. The Bible does not tell us how old the universe is. It's left up to us to wonder and investigate.
In fact, the Bible in no less than 11 verses speaks about an "expanding" universe, just like science tells us. Now THAT is pretty remarkable, wouldn't you say? Particularly in light of the fact that there's no way the ancient writers could have possibly known that "on their own". Wonder Who told them about the expanding cosmos?
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