General allowed to just retire? Why?

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The fact that Gen. Stanley McChrystal will be allowed to retire with the rank of a four-star general, as a retired soldier, is going far beyond the rules.

The Uniform Code of Military Justice states in part that, if you are found to be in violation of any published or written rules while on active duty, you must be punished for offenses committed.

Gen, McChrystal clearly was in violation on at least two points:

- He did, without permission, speak to the media without getting his interview approved.

- The very same rule he himself gave to the troops he commanded he violated.

So to allow him to retire at the rank of a four-star general -- what now can we say to the next person who violates procedures?

I am a retired soldier with 20 years of honorable service, so I feel I can ask this question: Will this decision create any future problems when this article of the UMCJ is violated?

Joseph Diggs Sr.

Augusta

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dichotomy
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dichotomy 07/07/10 - 10:57 pm
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Wrong. He was the commander.

Wrong. He was the commander. If he wanted to speak to the media it was his perogative. The Ft. Gordon commander also has a policy for the troops that any information for the media goes through PAO but if the Ft. Gordon commander decides to give an interview to the AC he does so. McChrystal was the commander so he did not break any rules by speaking to the media. He wasn't too smart for saying the things he did if he wanted to keep his job, but saying that he broke a rule by speaking to the media is simply wrong since he was the commanding officer. As far as what he said about his CinC, it was militarily unacceptable but not illegal. All they could do was force him to retire. If they tried to Court Martial him then it would be a legal issue as to was what he said true or not and believe me, Obama would not want that discussion in a court of law. You can bet Obama is quite happy to let McChrystal retire quietly.

usafvet
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usafvet 07/07/10 - 11:27 pm
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This letter writer would not

This letter writer would not have posed this question if the same had occurred under any prior CIC.

KSL
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KSL 07/07/10 - 11:40 pm
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I think McChrystal and staff

I think McChrystal and staff knew exactly what they were doing and Obama winds up being the buffoon. It's not a military coup, but it's a hint of the division or should I say divisiveness between this sitting president and the patriotic military that I've not seen in my life time?

But then why not divisiveness between him and the military? He's done it to the entire country.

KSL
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KSL 07/07/10 - 11:43 pm
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vet, do hope that I will get

vet, do hope that I will get to meet you at CB's someday.

Brad Owens
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Brad Owens 07/08/10 - 12:50 am
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Barracks lawyer...

Barracks lawyer...

class1
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class1 07/08/10 - 03:01 am
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If anything, he deserves

If anything, he deserves another star!

KSL
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KSL 07/08/10 - 05:16 am
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Mr. Diggs, think long and

Mr. Diggs, think long and hard about why McChrystal and staff did what they did. As a "soldier" with "20 years" experience you should have a clue, and another clue as to why he keeps his stars.

lsmith
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lsmith 07/08/10 - 05:36 am
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I'm thankful McChrystal spoke

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I'm thankful McChrystal spoke his mind. More military officers should stand tall with him. Obama has no military experience and has overseen the implementation of a fighting policy thats killing our young fighting men. Obama and his minions would have everyone believe the military commanders and his anti-military civilian brain trust are in total agreement with his policies, and don't dare speak out against the "great one". I honestly think McChrystal did this country a service by daring to speak out and is now more than man enough to accept that his military career is over, he'll probably sleep better. I'm sure he'll do very well in his next endeavor.
I couldn't imagine having to serve under Obama.

rmwhitley
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rmwhitley 07/08/10 - 06:15 am
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A socialist, to our country's

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A socialist, to our country's demise, is now the Commander In Chief (CIC).

justus4
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justus4 07/08/10 - 06:19 am
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The article asks a good

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The article asks a good question and there may be a possibility that justice will be served. McChrystal may end up being PAID as only a two-star which is significantly less than the 0-10. Something in the reg says that your last highest grade with honorable service is used for pay purposes, so he may be remembered as a four-star, but his pay will reflect only an 0-8 (MG). A bit of inside baseball but accuracy is important in such matters.

Dixieman
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Dixieman 07/08/10 - 07:02 am
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UCMJ, like civilian laws,

UCMJ, like civilian laws, says here are things you should not do, but whether or not you are punished (prosecuted) for violating them is up to your CO (local district attorney) so Diggs is wrong to say under UCMJ you "must" be prosecuted for that. Considerations of mercy, mitigating circumstances, etc. always arise, as here. This is a tempest in a teapot.
Military retired pay is based on average of your highest 3 years of service.
He was not forced to retire. He resigned from his command (he could have been relieved by Obama) but the decision to retire was his alone.

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chascush 07/08/10 - 07:39 am
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McChrystal got what he

McChrystal got what he deserved. He is a sinking liberal who thought he could get in bed with the progressives and they would love him. He found out the hard way the progressives, Hussein is the head progressive, will do anything to achieve their goal.
McChrystal found out ‘if you lie down with dogs you get up with fleas’.

FaceTheMusic
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FaceTheMusic 07/08/10 - 07:49 am
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It doesn't matter whether

It doesn't matter whether McChrystal was retired, fired, or resigned on his own. No Commander in Chief, whether it's Obama, Bush, Clinton, Reagan, or George Washington, can let a subordinate get away with the comments McChrystal made. The military must always be under total civilian control. Just like no matter how many accomplishments you might list for Douglas MacArthur, every story of his life ends with "he was removed from his command by President Truman." The bottom line on McChrystal will be that "he was removed from his command by President Obama," which will forever be a blight on his record.

dreamchaser
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dreamchaser 07/08/10 - 07:59 am
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He was punished letter

He was punished letter writer, he was relieved of command!! What is your liberal agenda for today?

NoCatchyName
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NoCatchyName 07/08/10 - 08:08 am
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I would venture that the

I would venture that the CinC. decided not to court martial the Gen. because he wished him silenced and it is tough to put someone on trial for speaking the truth even if it is technically against the UCMJ. The court martial would have given much more publicity to the criticism offered by the Gen. and the CinC. wanted access to that information limited.

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corgimom 07/08/10 - 08:11 am
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McChrystal wanted out, and

McChrystal wanted out, and this is the way he achieved it. Smart man.

usafvet
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usafvet 07/08/10 - 09:19 am
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There may come a time before

There may come a time before this narcissistic, socialist leaning, poor excuse for CIC is removed from command that our military will all need to rise against him in order to protect this GREAT COUNTRY. GOD BLESS AMERICA, OUR TROOPS, AND OUR VETERANS.

confederate american
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confederate american 07/08/10 - 09:53 am
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DIGGS-I think you need to

DIGGS-I think you need to read the oath of an enlisted man and the oath of a officer.

southernguy08
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southernguy08 07/08/10 - 10:06 am
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McChrystal did the smart

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McChrystal did the smart thing. Who'd want to serve under this "incompetent-in-chief" anyway? Our enemies hated Bush, but he left office with their respect. Those same people might smile and sing Obama's praises now, but privately they are laughing at him for the total incompetent he is.

c.james
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c.james 07/08/10 - 10:51 am
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usafvet, you forgot bigot in

usafvet, you forgot bigot in your rant. I truly believe that based on recent events this one term CIC will do some serious damage to this Country on many levels. It appears he's going for the Black Panther Vote. ALSO; I cannot figure out how you head up the military if you have never been in the military or have no respect for the military?

southernguy08
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southernguy08 07/08/10 - 11:27 am
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CJAMES, you're right that a

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CJAMES, you're right that a president should be required to have military experience, but that will never fly. How about this for stupid? The president is CIC of the military, but the president isn't subject to the UCMJ. Bill Clinton's supporters used that excuse when his affair with Monica was exposed. Any officer having an affair with another officer's wife is subject to this, but the president, commander of ALL military forces, isn't. Go figure.

chasboy
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chasboy 07/08/10 - 12:51 pm
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McArthur did the same thing

McArthur did the same thing and Truman fired His b@tt!!! What did McArthur do? Retired. Historey repeats itself yet again.

chasboy
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chasboy 07/08/10 - 12:52 pm
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history

history

baronvonreich
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baronvonreich 07/08/10 - 02:01 pm
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Why? Because the CIC has no

Why? Because the CIC has no principles, doesn't care about the laws, militarily or otherwise, and would rather the problem go away than to spend time away from socialism programs, golf, vacations, and reading speeches off a teleprompter than to properly deal with it.

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bdittle 07/08/10 - 02:11 pm
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southernguy08's question:

southernguy08's question: "Who'd want to serve under this "incompetent-in-chief" anyway?"

What does that say about Petraeus? McChrystal got nearly all the troops he asked for so how was he hamstrung by the administration??

lsmith
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lsmith 07/08/10 - 07:20 pm
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bdittle: hamstrung by the

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bdittle: hamstrung by the administration could include the inability of our boys to shoot the enemy on sight. Reminder of the Vietnam war, our guys are fighting with one arm tied behind their back........their right arm at that. No war has ever been won that didn't involve the loss of civilian life. If we'd not dropped a nuke on Japan's cities that war would probably still be going on now. Twenty years from now, we'll still be in Afghanistan fighting unless thw coward in chief placates his peacenik liberal base.

lsmith
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lsmith 07/08/10 - 02:48 pm
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facethemusic: I can assure

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facethemusic: I can assure you McChrystal's record will show a man of integrity. He will be remembered as one who questioned the the war willingness of a coward commander. Obi-wan-obama would have everyone believe that his military leaders and civilian handlers are in lock step with him. McChrystals interview shows the digust starts at the top and most likely runs freely through the ranks. There is NO respect for the president (lower case) in the military, they are just unable to speak their minds without being stepped on by the cic. I doubt very seriously McChrystal regrets the position he's in now.

southernguy08
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southernguy08 07/08/10 - 03:40 pm
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BDITTLE, is this the same

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BDITTLE, is this the same Petraeus labeled "Betrayus" by the liberals a few years ago when he gave an answer regarding the situation in Iraq to then Senator Hillary Clinton that she scoffed at and said a "suspension of disbelief" was the only way she could accept it? Your comeback has more holes than a slice of Swiss cheese. Liberals were all for making Petraeus retire a few years ago. Now, he's their darling. Just shows liberals change their stance as soon as the political winds shift.

corgimom
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corgimom 07/08/10 - 06:43 pm
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"CJAMES, you're right that a

"CJAMES, you're right that a president should be required to have military experience, but that will never fly. How about this for stupid? The president is CIC of the military, but the president isn't subject to the UCMJ. Bill Clinton's supporters used that excuse when his affair with Monica was exposed. Any officer having an affair with another officer's wife is subject to this, but the president, commander of ALL military forces, isn't. Go figure."

That pesky ol' Constitution again! Doggone it! Too bad it has to be followed, you know?

KSL
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KSL 07/08/10 - 09:52 pm
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I fully understand that Gen.

I fully understand that Gen. McChrystal leans to the left. I guess he initially misjudged Obama or perhaps he was opportunistic. After all, Gen. McChrystal is an American. I believe that he came to see Obama's intentions are not workable or good for America or for the members of the military and that he wanted out. He one-upped Obama.

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