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In reply to Greg M. Garnett's letter about our flag ("Confederate flag still offends many," May 13): He should research before he shows his ignorance of history.

What letter writer Lee Herron ("Honor all our Confederate ancestors," May 3) was saying was: We are tired of our ancestors, our flag and the South taking the blame for slavery. In that time, slavery was legal under the U.S. Constitution, as with the killing of millions of innocent unborn babies today.

Garnett also stated that the slaves were offered freedom if they fought for the South. That is also false. In 1861, black abolitionist Frederick Douglass said, "There are ... many colored men in the Confederate army ... as real soldiers having muskets on their shoulders, bullets in pockets, ready to shoot down loyal troops and doing all that soldiers may do to destroy the federal government."

We are deeply sorry about the Klan and other groups of hate using our flag, but the No. 1 flags of the Klan are the American flag and the Christian flag, but we never see any outcry over these. Our flag never flew over a government or a slave ship like the American flag for 80 years; it only flew over an army of the South. I'm glad to hear that Mr. Garnett's great-great-grandmother is doing well at 93, but she was born 52 years too late for the years of 1861-1865. But it's true that she has seen a lot in her life. I would suggest that Mr. Garnett research black Confederates; here's one to start you off -- Bill Yopp.

Gens. Robert E. Lee, "Stonewall" Jackson, P.G.T. Beauregard and Jeb Stuart all were abolitionists. Jackson started one of the first black Sunday schools before the war. He stated that blacks needed to be taught English so they could read the Bible and become saved. He sent money back to the school during the war to keep it going.

Wouldn't it be a hoot if Mr. Garnett's research finds that one of his ancestors was a Confederate soldier?

We as true Southerners will always honor our ancestors and all the men, women and children who fought and died for the South. Call us racist if you will -- that is your right -- but I ask you to not believe everything someone tells you or something that you might read. Do real research.

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Trey Enfantay
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Trey Enfantay 05/24/10 - 03:31 am
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Thank you for a reality check

Thank you for a reality check letter. You did a very nice job expressing the truth, Mr Scritchfield.

ekharonne
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ekharonne 05/24/10 - 10:34 am
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This letter is filled with

This letter is filled with lies and the statement attributed to Frederick Douglas is pieced together and taken out of context. where did he get this statement? If you are going to quote someone, give the source of your research. Douglas fought vehemently against slavery and would not have said anything to give aid and comfort in support of The South.
These people that continue to stream LTEs in support of the Confederacy is fighting a losing battle. You can't sanitize hate. Give it up!

ekharonne
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ekharonne 05/24/10 - 10:42 am
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I left this out of the above

I left this out of the above post. When the South realized that the war was loss, Slaves were recruited with the promise of freedom. show me the documents that proved that slaves engaged in battle. This writer is entitled to his opinion but not his facts.

lsmith
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lsmith 05/24/10 - 12:51 pm
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EKHARONNE et all: There were
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EKHARONNE et all:
There were as many slaves in the north as was the south. The enitre nation was involved in slavery and to sanitize the north as some holier than thou entity that decried the practice, is ingenuine and reflect nothing more than a stereotypical monikor for which foes of the southern heritage seem to never tire of doing.
The war between the states was not fought merely to abolish slavery. So, Mr. Ekharonne get over it. Despite the wrongs of Slavery this country has more than atoned for the sins of this era and blacks continue to proliferate and progress in huge numbers in both the north and the south.
It seems that every sanctfied symbol of respect has slowly been erased through evolution and cultural decline over the years. It's no longer safe to display the American Flag or the Confederate flag because of the sensitivities of some who have pretty darned thin skin. However, it is perfectly acceptable to display Mexican flags and symbols of Africanism through most any avenue.
Patriotism is no longer a virtue but seen as a pariah. I deplore the continued degradition of the American heritage in our society. What ever happened to "Proud to be an American"?
I'm kinda glad I won't be around to see what the next generation of cultural misfits does to our country.

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corgimom 05/24/10 - 01:00 pm
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EKHARRONE- Free blacks fought

EKHARRONE-

Free blacks fought for the Confederacy.

Check out the Louisiana Native Guards.

From the Department of Defense-
http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=40553

Sorry to break your revisionistic history bubble, EK.

And the Confederate flag honors all the blacks that were involved in the CSA, too.

Nat the Cat
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Nat the Cat 05/24/10 - 01:38 pm
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This war will never be over,

This war will never be over, will it?

confederate american
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confederate american 05/24/10 - 01:45 pm
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EKHARONNE-Seems like the

EKHARONNE-Seems like the writer touched a nerve,their is plenty of information out there on black confederates free and slave,but you do the research for yourself,if not just be a moron the rest of your life it seems to have worked for you so far.

Mr. Thackeray
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Mr. Thackeray 05/24/10 - 01:48 pm
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WOW, ignorance abounds!

WOW, ignorance abounds! "There were as many slaves in the north as was the south."

Folks, you are espousing the LOST CAUSE. Historians, and any rational thinking individual, has rejected that. I feel sorry for those that still refuse to read the ORIGINAL orders of secession or if they do somehow miss that slavery was the cause. Put a dress and a pig, it is still a pig.

It was ALL about slavery, the LOST CAUSE needs to be put to rest.

confederate american
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confederate american 05/24/10 - 02:06 pm
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mr thackeray-you are right

mr thackeray-you are right ignorance abounds you sir just showed yours,the cause will never die.Our flag will always fly,get use to it.

Mr. Thackeray
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Mr. Thackeray 05/24/10 - 03:02 pm
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I don't care if you fly the

I don't care if you fly the flag or not conf. amer. not one bit. But get your facts straight. The North (it should be capitalized as should South) did NOT any any time, own more slaves that then South. The articles of secession DO, in every case talk about slavery, you just don;t want to read it that way.

"For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery." That is the FIRST line of the "Declarations of Causes of Seceding States
Civil War Georgia"

Paragraph Three: "The party of Lincoln, called the Republican party, under its present name and organization, is of recent origin. It is admitted to be an anti-slavery party...anti-slavery is its mission and its purpose. "

Count how many times the word slavery or anti-slavery is issued in this one document. No you are right, it was not about slavery.

ekharonne
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ekharonne 05/24/10 - 03:13 pm
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Ismith, in what ways has this

Ismith, in what ways has this atonement been manifested? Atoned since 1965? White Supremacy had a 450 years head start. And you get over it. You want me to forget my heritage while you celebrate yours.
Coriqimon, Free Blacks fought for the Confederacy? Can't find anything about that. I did find that Slaves were promised freedom if they fought
for the Confederacy. What do you suppose you would have done? Fight for freedom or remain in slavery to be whipped.
Confederate American, I've read your posts before. The one above is much what I've read in the past. Name calling, nothing to add. I guess it takes a moron to know one. You certainly don't say much. Must be on the Chronicle payroll.

confederate american
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confederate american 05/24/10 - 04:04 pm
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elkaronne and mr

elkaronne and mr thackeray-slavery is talked about all through the Bible and never in a negative way,myself i would never want to own anyone i have enough trouble keeping up with my self.What don't you people understand it was legal in that time under u s government law,just like the killing of millions of unborn babies today under u s government law.which is by far worse.Their were over two hundred thousand black men that fought for the south,free and slave.Just research this one guy Bill yopp.I would love to sit down with you people and lay all the research i have done and you bring what you have if anything and i will blow you out of the water with nothing more than historcial facts.This is not a spelling b you get the point.I just hate stupid and ignorance.

ekharonne
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ekharonne 05/24/10 - 04:53 pm
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Confederate American,

Confederate American, Abortions worse than slavery? I'm sure anyone that defends hate and intolerance would think that way. Defenders of the Confederacy keep talking about slaves that fought for the South. Bill "10%"Yopp sames to be "you people's" poster boy. All I was able to find was that he was a shoe shine boy for the Confederate soldiers. Hey, lay down your research and blow me out the water. We can do it here and now. I'm a retired history professor. I can handle your threats. Bring it on! By-the-way, your ancestors didn't have a problem keeping up with the slaves and perpetuating racism through Jim Crow laws up to ca. 1965.

confederate american
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confederate american 05/24/10 - 05:50 pm
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EKHARONNE-Well lets move on a

EKHARONNE-Well lets move on a little how about the black buffalo soldiers that rode into the American Indians camps and slaughtered all the men,women and children.Anytime any where ,not on here to much time i want a place were we can lay it all out.Their is a book out about Bill Yopp life i suggest you read it.Also i'm glad that when we go out and do confederate memorial services for black confederates and there living families that they are not like you and some of the others on here.

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ohhsweetconcord 05/24/10 - 06:13 pm
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I dislike the confederacy for

I dislike the confederacy for two reasons: It was based on slavery, one of the most vile and evil institutions ever created by man and because it tried to destroy the great American idea. As a proud Southerner I can say "Thank God the Confederacy got whipped." Can you?

ekharonne
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ekharonne 05/24/10 - 06:15 pm
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Confederate, Want to move on

Confederate, Want to move on now huh? Can't handle the Confederacy any more? The Buffalo Soldiers are right down my area. Did plenty research on them. Tell me more of what you know. Post the name of the book on Bill Yopp and any other Black confederate soldier you as a Confederate historian have access to. Black Confederate Memorial Service? Are you kidding me?

confederate american
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confederate american 05/24/10 - 06:23 pm
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ohhsweetconcord-PLEASE DON'T

ohhsweetconcord-PLEASE DON'T REFER TO YOURSELF AS A. TRUE SOUTHENER.The south didn't start slavery and the south had the legal right to secession,and guess what slavery is still going on all over this world and the good old u s also,you need to become a crusader for the cause.The last know slaves to walk free came out of new jeresy isn't that up north.

ohhsweetconcord
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ohhsweetconcord 05/24/10 - 06:29 pm
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confederate, I greatly

confederate, I greatly respect many of the misguided Confederate Generals. They were true soldiers and they showed great valor.I'm actually in the process of watching Ken Burns wonderful Civil War documentary right now. Just because I'm not a Confederate apologetic doesn't mean I can't claim I'm a southerner.

confederate american
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confederate american 05/24/10 - 07:06 pm
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ohhsweetconcord-Then check

ohhsweetconcord-Then check out General Sherman in his march to the sea,he once stated that the only way to beat the south was to kill them all.Back to Sherman if he done today what he done to the south he would be hung for genocide,for burning all the buildings,destroying all the crops and live stock,raping women black and white and killing men,women and children,its all documented in history,look it up.

confederate american
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confederate american 05/24/10 - 07:10 pm
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EKHACONNE We done 5 black

EKHACONNE We done 5 black memorial services last year and 2 so far this year,also installed grave markers for them,paid for by the federal govt,books BLACK CONFEDERATES BY CHARLES KELLY BARROW AND BLACK SOUTHERNERS IN CONFEDERATE ARMIES BY J.H. SEGARS

Taylor B
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Taylor B 05/24/10 - 08:18 pm
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So I guess this will never be

So I guess this will never be dropped? We will keep re-fighting this forever? Even Germany and France are cool, after all that happened not so long ago...

gobsmacked
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gobsmacked 05/24/10 - 08:35 pm
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Lee, Beauregard, Jackson, and

Lee, Beauregard, Jackson, and Stuart were assuredly not abolitionists. Abolitionists were viewed with alarm by most Americans of the time regardless of geographic origin. To apply the term to these generals is to display a deep, stubborn,cherished and willful ignorance. You cannot possibly know anything about the history of the period and make such a claim.

To those of you who habitually quote Lincoln out of context with an eye to demonstrating that he was somehow proslavery: you need to learn the difference between antislavery, free-soiler, and abolitionist as they were understood in the mid-nineteenth century. There were nuances to the positions people of the era took on slavery.

Many of you seem to be conflating all manner of different issues with that of the fundamental cause of the war which was the issue of slavery brought to a head by the conflict over its extension into the territories. It hardly matters who is alleged to have owned slaves, who manumitted a few, whether some African-Americans fought for the South, who was involved in the slave trade, that most Americans of all regions accepted racial superiority, or that your great grandmother said that Reconstruction was bad and Sherman a monster. It was still about slavery. Read the written communiques composed by the secession commissioners quoted at length by Dixieman. You can do no better than to rely on the words of the leaders of secession. It's not enough to crack open a history book. You have to think as well.

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