Confederacy wasn't that honorable

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I must respond to the letter "Honor all our Confederate ancestors" (May 3) by Lee Herron. Here's what Lee Herron didn't want you to know, and didn't mention: They must not be honored because most of them hated Abraham Lincoln.

Most of them think he is a traitor, or most of them have negative things to say about Lincoln. Most of the people in the Confederacy or who supported its army hated Lincoln because he wanted to end slavery (one of the main reasons being because slavery made lots of money during that time period); he wanted to save the Union; and he was willing to use force to defend federal law. He thought that secession was illegal.

Some of the people who strongly supported the Confederacy helped John Wilkes Booth when he assassinated Lincoln and tried to assassinated other members of his staff. Some of these people who supported the Confederacy also helped John Wilkes Booth escape.

Also, the Ku Klux Klan was founded in 1865 in Tennessee by veterans of the Confederate Army.

Also, there are many reasons why -- as Mr. Herron pointed out -- there were black slave-owners. Go to teachingushistory.org and search for "black slave owners in Charleston."

Gov. Sonny Perdue was wrong for signing Senate Bill 27, which officially enacted Confederate History and Heritage Month. It is much different from Black History Month.

David Thomas

Harlem

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brayton99
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brayton99 05/05/10 - 11:00 pm
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get your facts straight, and

get your facts straight, and read up on history, northerners also owened slaves, the civil war was not about slavery, you small-minded person, challenge yourself, and read some accurate history books.

curly123053
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curly123053 05/05/10 - 11:29 pm
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That writer kinda reminded me

That writer kinda reminded me of justus.

willie7
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willie7 05/05/10 - 11:30 pm
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brayton99, get your facts
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brayton99, get your facts straight. David Thomas has his. Some of you live the myth of the Civil War. It was the worst period in the history of our country. We went to war for the benefit of the plantation owners who profited greatly from the Slave System.

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AWyld1 05/06/10 - 12:30 am
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Dave stick to hamburger

Dave stick to hamburger making.....and willie? Notherners owned slaves too. They owned slaves after the war had started too. Abraham Lincoln only wanted the slaves freed in new states coming to the union. He only called for all slaves to be freed because he was losing support for his war. He also wanted all blacks moved out of the USA to a little island called Liberia. He is quoted as saying all blacks were beneath white people and could never be as smart as white people. Try a little research before you spout off about stuff you know nothing about!

baronvonreich
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baronvonreich 05/06/10 - 12:59 am
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History is what it is. It is

History is what it is. It is just so sad so many can't let it go as something that is in the past and LEARN from it so the same mistakes aren't made in the future. A war from 150 years has no bearing on today's prison population demographics, welfare roll demographics, or the inexplicable lack of work ethic and ability to be responsible for oneself.

AWyld1
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AWyld1 05/06/10 - 01:02 am
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I agree Baron....I'm not a

I agree Baron....I'm not a flagger and don't even own one. I just hate when people misrepresent history.

ohhsweetconcord
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ohhsweetconcord 05/06/10 - 04:28 am
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People will always choose to

People will always choose to believe what fits in with their ideology. Obviously, some people here want to believe that the Civil War wasn't about slavery, but that doesn't mean Mr. Thomas is wrong. In fact, much of what Mr. Thomas says is correct. The Civil War was predominantly about slavery. Everyone who says it was about state's right forgets that the right in question was the right to own slaves. The South had a slave economy. A small minority, an aristocracy, ruled through the use of slaves. Taking slaves meant taking the elite's money. People got upset when Lincoln was elected because they thought he'd take their slaves. At its base its a very simple story. The South was clearly in the moral wrong and was responsible for the single worst atrocity in American history. Clearly, some people still don't want to believe that.

NewHere
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NewHere 05/06/10 - 05:21 am
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Let it go and move on

Let it go and move on people....

wizzardx1
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wizzardx1 05/06/10 - 05:31 am
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we all know that black

we all know that black Americans are the only ones deserving to have their history(even if it is new and revised)remembered.we should rearrange all facts to belittle white Americans as much as possible.let's not mention that the industrialized northern states were taxing the southern states into bankruptcy.let's not mention that the northerners wanted to free the slaves so they could hire them at a penny per day to form a cheap labor force.let's not mention that lincoln said he if he thought NOT freeing the slaves would save the union,that is what he would do.let's not mention that freedom for slaves was not voted upon and that most northern states would have voted against freeing them.let's not mention that slavery was not invented by southern plantation owners.let's avoid saying that the slave's african brothers were the ones capturing and selling them into slavery.

wizzardx1
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wizzardx1 05/06/10 - 05:42 am
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so,most of you think all

so,most of you think all those white northerners fought and died simply to save the slaves?that was their ONLY goal?no other considerations?simply because they loved the black man so much that they were willing to die so they could free the black man?

omnomnom
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omnomnom 05/06/10 - 06:24 am
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this argument has laid to

this argument has laid to waste more minutes than the civil war. goodness gracious.

gaspringwater
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gaspringwater 05/06/10 - 06:30 am
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Mr. Thomas, your words are

Mr. Thomas, your words are politically correct but please allow me to differ in a few places.

Each side in a war has a CIC and it's not unusual for a side to have a rather low opinion of their opponent's CIC. I suppose you're aware the Federals had a low opinion of Jefferson Davis, the CIC on the other side.

It's true that Lincoln opposed slavery but so did many other people in the North and the South too. Lincoln's first thinking was to ship the slaves out of the country and let them set up a colony elsewhere. Of course that didn't work and when he freed the slaves, he only freed the slaves in the rebellious states. Not the slaves on his side. He thought the freed slaves in the rebellious states would rise up in armed rebellion and take over the countryside. But that didn't happen because the civilian population in the South was struggling to just survive.

Interesting you said Lincoln wanted to preserve the Union and he thought that secession was illegal. And that's true. As Americans we've always made a big deal of the Declaration of Independence. Have you read it? It says the people being governed have the right to abolish their government and institute a new one! And that's what we said to King George of Great Britain on August 2nd 1776 instead of the popular myth July 4th.

It was an epic time and the conflict made President Lincoln immortal. He was a great man and you have to admire a great man whether he stands with you or he stands against you. Americans admire Erwin Rommel and he stood against us in war.

Slavery was a large issue but not the only one. Governments don't make war for saintly reasons.

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johnston.cliff 05/06/10 - 06:32 am
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Revisionist history has

Revisionist history has always been written by the winners of each war. It's called perspective. There is always good and bad in every war and in a war of session, the "good" and "bad" is all about perspective. Trying to deny the war took place and that many fought on both sides is silly. There is seldom anything "honorable" about any war. Political correctness has kept the argument about the civil war needlessly hot.

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1776 05/06/10 - 06:32 am
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With all of the problems

With all of the problems facing this nation today, it is rediculous to keep worrying about something that happened ~145 years ago. Look the civil war happened; the south lost. This is now the USA, and we need to work together to sustain the nation we have now, and secure the future. It is pointless to keep going over the same issues. It doesn't matter what the cause of the war was; it is over. Everyone, blacks and whites, are so focused on the things that divide us, instead of the fact that WE are ALL Americans now, and this country is in trouble. It is over, let it go.

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Whyisit01 05/06/10 - 07:02 am
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There is NOTHING wrong with

There is NOTHING wrong with confederate month NOTHING. The only true and real negative stigma that will always be with anything associated with CONFEDERACY is going to be the way HATE envelopes their flag. This will NEVER change. I haven't read or seen anything in 2010 on TV or the news about ANY Confederate lover speaking out against the KKK, Nazi, Aryans etc using their flag. I would think during this month some kind of coalition would STEP up and let their voices be heard against the above HATE groups, but SILENCE is golden.

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justus4 05/06/10 - 07:12 am
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Great article! The facts are
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Great article! The facts are accurate and the reasoning sound, but expect few converts because the ignorance is entrenched through several generations. The facts matter little with people who refuse to admit the main factor of the war: slavery & human trafficking. It's a classic example of intellectual denial and moral dishonesty, further it demonstrates a profound lack of a collective human dignity and an absence of Christian values. Again, the article provide solid accounts of historicial observations that most educated folks learned long ago, while others were busy distorting the facts.

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dashiel 05/06/10 - 07:33 am
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Judging by his verb tenses,

Judging by his verb tenses, Mr. Thomas' letter is remarkably coherent for a man approaching his 170th birthday. By today's yankee dollar, a decent slave would cost about the same as a Lincoln Navigator. Am I the only one who finds this ironic?

Techfan
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Techfan 05/06/10 - 07:49 am
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"But not to be tedious in

"But not to be tedious in enumerating the numerous changes for the better, allow me to allude to one other though last, not least. The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old constitution, were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with, but the general opinion of the men of that day was that, somehow or other in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away. This idea, though not incorporated in the constitution, was the prevailing idea at that time. The constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last, and hence no argument can be justly urged against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common sentiment of the day. Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the "storm came and the wind blew."

Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. It has been so even amongst us. Many who hear me, perhaps, can recollect well, that this truth was not generally admitted, even within their day. The errors of the past generation still clung to many as late as twenty years ago. Those at the North, who still cling to these errors, with a zeal above knowledge, we justly denominate fanatics. All fanaticism springs from an aberration of the mind from a defect in reasoning. It is a species of insanity. One of the most striking characteristics of insanity, in many instances, is forming correct conclusions from fancied or erroneous premises; so with the anti-slavery fanatics. Their conclusions are right if their premises were. They assume that the negro is equal, and hence conclude that he is entitled to equal privileges and rights with the white man. If their premises were correct, their conclusions would be logical and just but their premise being wrong, their whole argument fails. I recollect once of having heard a gentleman from one of the northern States, of great power and ability, announce in the House of Representatives, with imposing effect, that we of the South would be compelled, ultimately, to yield upon this subject of slavery, that it was as impossible to war successfully against a principle in politics, as it was in physics or mechanics. That the principle would ultimately prevail. That we, in maintaining slavery as it exists with us, were warring against a principle, a principle founded in nature, the principle of the equality of men. The reply I made to him was, that upon his own grounds, we should, ultimately, succeed, and that he and his associates, in this crusade against our institutions, would ultimately fail. The truth announced, that it was as impossible to war successfully against a principle in politics as it was in physics and mechanics, I admitted; but told him that it was he, and those acting with him, who were warring against a principle. They were attempting to make things equal which the Creator had made unequal." Cornerstone Speech

Alexander H. Stephens
March 21, 1861
Savannah, Georgia

dashiel
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dashiel 05/06/10 - 08:16 am
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Tech Fan, would you please

Tech Fan, would you please direct our attention to the correspondence between Stephens and Lincoln regarding this same matter?

wizzardx1
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wizzardx1 05/06/10 - 08:43 am
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ohhsweetconcord,your hate and

ohhsweetconcord,your hate and prejudice is showing!

fd1962
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fd1962 05/06/10 - 09:08 am
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Not much doubt that history
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Not much doubt that history has made a caricature of Alexander Stephens, Techfan. Good choice of submission here, though we won't soon see that displayed at his home/ museum, nor will Sonny be reading it at a heritage fireside chat any time soon.

Techfan
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Techfan 05/06/10 - 09:09 am
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US Census 1860: Number of

US Census 1860: Number of slaves in US:3,950,546. Number of those in the 11 Confederate states:3,521,410. Number in the divided states of Kentucky and Missouri:340,414. Number in border state of Maryland:87,189. This leaves a grand total of 1,533 in the entire rest of the nation. So, yes, northerners owned slaves, about 0.004 percent of them.

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Kapa18 05/06/10 - 09:38 am
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The letter sighted by Techfan

The letter sighted by Techfan is from Alexander H. Stephens, who was the Vice President of the Confederate States of America during the American Civil War. Let me recap some it's finer points, "Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition.", ect...now are we to believe this man who not only lead the cause he believed in and lead others to die for. Or are we to believe those of you who have tried to turn the truth to fit your needs. I think you know the answer. Be a man or woman, and put in your comments I was wrong, I see it now. Then move on to another subject. Now you have a chance to grow..take it and take it now...

FaceTheMusic
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FaceTheMusic 05/06/10 - 10:11 am
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Techfan - I'd say your two

Techfan - I'd say your two posts pretty much sum up the issue!

FaceTheMusic
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FaceTheMusic 05/06/10 - 10:19 am
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Techfan - Wouldn't the

Techfan - Wouldn't the north's percentage of slave ownership be 0.0004 percent rather than 0.004 percent, which would mean the north owned an even smaller percentage of slaves?

BCG
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BCG 05/06/10 - 10:31 am
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I so agree with those who say

I so agree with those who say "Let it go". History is history and facts are facts and facts can not be omitted for PC sake. History if used correctly can teach us from looking at our mistakes. If parts of history are omitted it changes the lessons that could be learned. Selective memory will only cause the mistakes to reoccur. And for pete's sake slavery has been part of history since BC times... ie the Romans, Egptians, etc.... if history was reported accuratedly and taught to our children maybe just maybe we can stop the cycle.

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UncleBill 05/06/10 - 10:36 am
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Again, I suggest reading real

Again, I suggest reading real history books by real historians.
Start with "Bitterly Divided" by David Williams.

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Hatfield0278 05/06/10 - 10:55 am
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The most interesting thing

The most interesting thing about this letter to the editor is that the writer knows how "most of the Confederates" felt about a lot of things.

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libertarianvoter 05/06/10 - 11:02 am
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There weren't many slaves

There weren't many slaves owned in the North b/c there was no reason to have them there. Southerners owned large plantations and it took many people to tend to them. What would you choose if you were someone who wanted to make money, free labor or paid labor? (think about the ppl that hire illegal immigrants for cheaper....) Obviously slavery is wrong, but there are always reasons for why people do things (good reasons or not). Most Northerners were not abolitionists and wanted the new states to be "free" b/c the newly freed states would likely vote with the North on issues in Congress, and would make the North more powerful for making decisions in America. The North and South rarely agreed about anything since the birth of our nation. Slavery was just another argument between the two sides. This was about representation, the cotton market, AND slavery. Lincoln himself was not even empathetic to the slaves at first. He used the Emancipation Proclamation as a military strategy over anything to discourage British support for the South and to create turmoil in the South. He also didn't want slavery to be out West b/c there would be unfair competition for white workers to get jobs out there (sort of like the Mexican situation we have now). If you think he did everything b/c he loved African-Americans so much, then you're completely misinformed. Lincoln's actions were noble, but his reasons for doing the actions were anything but.

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KatieLou 05/06/10 - 11:07 am
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This is a kid's LTE, most

This is a kid's LTE, most likely from a middle school student. Keep in mind that the victors get to write the history books used in public schools. Even 50 years ago, the Confederacy wasn't getting good PR, or even an honest appraisal. This kid could hardly be expected to know any better, especially if he actually is African-American. Who in his life would even have a clue?

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