Homosexuality is destructive behavior

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Homosexuals are planning a march in Augusta in June. Many likely will be carrying signs calling for equal rights and same-sex marriage.

But they already have equal rights. They can marry someone of the opposite sex just like the rest of us.

What they are after are special rights, but rights should not be granted based on behavior -- only taken away based on negative behavior (i.e., incarcerating a thief, rapist or murderer).

Consider the advantages that the traditional marriage of one man and one woman offer the government and society:

- Traditional marriage domesticates men, protects women and provides a nurturing environment for children.

- Traditional marriage helps reduce illegitimacy, crime, poverty and welfare.

- It provides for procreation; married women are far less likely to kill their babies through abortion.

- Children from traditional-marriage homes are seven times less likely to live in poverty; six times less likely to commit crime; less than half as likely to become pregnant out of wedlock; are healthier physically and emotionally when they reach adulthood; and they do better academically and socially.

- Traditional marriage improves the life span of the man and the woman.

The government saves money, and society benefits from traditional marriage. Homosexual unions, however, provide none of these benefits.

If the government endorses homosexual marriage, it will hurt traditional marriage, children, the average citizen and homosexuals themselves, who studies show have shorter life spans.

It would teach that marriage is about coupling, not children.

Public schoolchildren would be indoctrinated that the homosexual lifestyle is acceptable.

There would be a loss of free speech rights, as in Canada, where it is a hate crime to speak against homosexual behavior.

And homosexuals may be given preferential adoption, since they can't have children.

If the government were to adopt homosexual marriage, why not marriage between a father and a son; a mother and daughter; or a man and his dog?

Restraint of destructive behavior is civilization. All laws discriminate among behaviors, legislating morality and what is considered good for society -- including taxes. Gays should go back into the closet, or abandon their destructive behavior.

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Nat the Cat
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Nat the Cat 04/12/10 - 10:52 pm
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Ahmadinajad says that

Ahmadinajad says that Homosexuality is strictly a "Western," phenomenon...that there are no Homosexuals in the Muslim World.
I sincerely would like to know why that is?

grouse
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grouse 04/12/10 - 10:59 pm
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Oh, geez: Let's take these
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Oh, geez: Let's take these one by one, shall we?
1. If so, why are there battered wives and children shelters?
2. Where are your stats? I think you pulled them out of your derriere.
3. Not everyone wants to procreate and I can't think of a single gay couple where one of the guys had an abortion.
4. Again, who's stats are you citing? There are plenty of "traditional" homes just in Augusta living in poverty.
5.Men live longer when married, women live longer when single is what I've read. Source, please, for your assertion?
6.Cite the "benefits." Total nonsense.
7.How can homosexuals marrying affect a traditional marriage? What studies?
8.Oh, but you just said in point number 2, that marriage was about procreation (which would including coupling). What about straight people living together?
9. So?
10. Already, there are laws on the books against hate speech and not just against homosexuals.
11. There is no cause and effect there. Adoptions are based on many other factors.
12. First of all, there is no body of people wanting to marry their children, or their animals (though I've heard of it done in India). The guy in Germany didn't marry his daughter, but that didn't stop him from having kids with her, and there was a guy in States who did the same thing, just to name two.
There are only a few states where homosexuals can marry "just like the rest of us.
Mind your own business. Consenting adults (should) have the right to love whom they wish.

grouse
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grouse 04/12/10 - 11:01 pm
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Wrong Nat:
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Wrong Nat: http://muslimmedianetwork.com/mmn/?p=1478 A quick Google search will give you this and other articles.

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corgimom 04/12/10 - 11:06 pm
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Does this person think that

Does this person think that gay people can't have children, and that they can't adopt them? What world is he living in? What century is he living in? His ignorance is astounding.

The truth is this- study after study has shown that children in gay households aren't any different than ones in straight households. I would
like to point out that all the statistics he is quoting are about one-parent heterosexual families- which doesn't necessarily describe a gay parent household.

As for preferential adoption, since there are approximately 500,000 children in the US awaiting adoption- and that no one, as in heterosexual couples, wants to adopt- maybe that would be a good thing. It's not as if there is a shortage of adoptable children, is there? Mr. Thomas' viewpoint suggests that a life of foster care is better for a child than to be in a stable home. I strongly disagree. There is nothing good about foster care.

As for his ridiculous analogies about incestuous marriages or marriage between a person and an animal- those are too absurd to address.

Homosexual couples are getting married, and our society has not fallen apart. Nor will it.

I don't understand how he quotes statistics about children in one part of his letter, then says that homosexuals can't have children. Well, Mr. Thomas, which way is it? Can they have children, or can they not?

Then there is this.

"Public schoolchildren would be indoctrinated that the homosexual lifestyle is acceptable."

Here's a newsflash for Mr. Thomas- GAY PARENTS ALREADY EXIST. And their children already attend public school. And it's a non-issue. Public schools are for everyone, and that includes children who have gay parents. It is unbelievable that Mr. Thomas thinks that there all children in public schools have heterosexual parents. Unless, of course, Mr. Thomas thinks it's ok to deny children their Constitutional rights.

It is preposterous to think that schools indoctrinate children about homosexuality. If schools could indoctrinate any child about anything, don't you think they would focus on education and behavior? The schools can't even do that.

Where do people dream up all this crazy stuff?

Nat the Cat
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Nat the Cat 04/12/10 - 11:32 pm
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grouse--Did you mean that

grouse--Did you mean that Ahmadinajad is wrong? I simply wanted to know WHY he thought that there could not possibly be any Homosexuals in Iran, and why many Muslims believe that Homosexuals do not exist within Islam? Your cited research appears to contradict Mr. Ahmadinajad as far as the existence of Homosexuals in the Middle East, but it doesn't answer my question.

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KSL 04/12/10 - 11:30 pm
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Nat, sometimes just answering

Nat, sometimes just answering simple questions doesn't give that soap box opportunity.

brimisjoshan
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brimisjoshan 04/12/10 - 11:50 pm
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People can find stats to back

People can find stats to back up almost any position they choose. But with that said I agree with the basic premise of Mr. Taylor's letter. Homosexuality is a destructive behavior. Homosexuality is not a behavior to be proud of or march for but a personal issue that requires treatment and counseling.

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audioofbeing 04/13/10 - 12:01 am
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Your question was phrased

Your question was phrased pretty poorly, Nat. Najad says that because he's delusional, because Iran has a habit of forcing transsexual surgery on homosexuals, and because it treats the whole thing as a punishable crime.

What's your point?

"Homosexuality is a destructive behavior. "

Prove it. Unbiased research, please.

And Corgimom, exceptionally good points all. Thank you for writing that. You were mistaken on one thing: The children of same-sex couples don't turn out exactly the same. According to some studies they're actually more well-adjusted and less aggressive on average. Probably largely attributable to the higher average socio-economic status of same-sex couples, but still, good to know.

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orb 04/13/10 - 12:19 am
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Nat the Cat You say:

Nat the Cat

You say: "Ahmadinajad says that Homosexuality is strictly a "Western," phenomenon...that there are no Homosexuals in the Muslim World.
I sincerely would like to know why that is?"

Nat: Perhaps they follow the commands of the Old Testament regarding the practice of this abomination.

Leviticus 18:22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
Leviticus 20:13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

Then of course the Book of Genesis tells us:

Genesis 2:23-25
23. "And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man."
24. "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh."
25. "And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed."

Should anyone think that the New Testament teaches differently Jesus Christ tells us:

Mark 10:6-8
Mr 10:6 "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female."
Mr 10:7 "For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;"
Mr 10:8 "And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh."
Mr 10:9 "What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder."

And then there are the words of GOD spoken through the Apostle Paul:

Romans 1:22-32
22 "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,"
23 "And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things."
24 "Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:"
25 "Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen."
26 "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:"
27 "And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."
28 "And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;"
29 "Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,"
30 "Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,"
31 "Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:"
32 "Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."

Of course I realize that there are some on this forum who are so wise that they deny GOD. But HE has something to say about that also:

Psalms 53:1 "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good."

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Fundamental_Arminian 04/13/10 - 02:48 am
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Orb, thanks for your Bible

Orb, thanks for your Bible verses. I'd like to add this passage: " Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit God's kingdom? Do not be deceived: no sexually immoral people, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, homosexuals, thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, or swindlers will inherit God's kingdom. Some of you were like this; but you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God" (1 Corinthians 6:9-11 Holman Christian Standard Bible).

The Bible clearly shows homosexuality to be among the sinful practices that keep people out of heaven. Christians must teach their children that regardless what our government accepts or promotes, God abhors homosexuality just as He does many other legal practices (e.g., abortion, pornography). To protect their children, Christian parents must get back to home-schooling them or sending them to Christian schools. Parents are responsible to train up their children in the way they should go so that they won't depart from it when they're older.

brimisjoshan
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brimisjoshan 04/13/10 - 02:52 am
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Thanks orb and Fundamental

Thanks orb and Fundamental for posting the truth of God's word on the subject. Amen

GGpap
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GGpap 04/13/10 - 02:58 am
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ORB, your god did not write

ORB, your god did not write the book of Psalms, nor did he write any of the other books you cite from. Men of the time the separate books of the bible were written were simply stating their opinions; just as you are today. Oops, sorry, not your opinions, you were merely passing on the opinions of some long dead ancient folks tonight---not your own "original" thoughts. GGpap

IMRIGHTYOUREWRONG
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IMRIGHTYOUREWRONG 04/13/10 - 04:00 am
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There really is not much that

There really is not much that can be said about a LTE of this nature. And unfortunately in dealing with what can be said, several posters have already beaten me to the punch. But might I suggest that Mr. Thomas look up some of the most common logical fallacies. Perhaps he should start with the one that focuses on deductive reasoning.

brimisjoshan
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brimisjoshan 04/13/10 - 04:13 am
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Gpap. The Holy Spirit worked

Gpap. The Holy Spirit worked through those men to speak and write God's Word. The Bible is God's word and is without error and is authoritative.

GGpap
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GGpap 04/13/10 - 05:31 am
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brimisjoshan, I just can't

brimisjoshan, I just can't believe that a god that has the awesome power to destroy cities (Sodom and Gomorrah), flood the ENTIRE world, raise the dead, etc., etc. is so weak that he/she/it cannot hold a pen, write a sentence, or produce a ONE VOLUME book that covers all of what he has to say to mankind without relying on ancient scribes to produce 80 books of the King James version of the bible. And when ORB cites Psalms, of the 150 in the KJB, most are attributed to King David and are referred to as poems or songs. David might be a bit miffed if you credit his creativity with just the mere plagiarism of god's words blown in his ear by a "spirit." GGpap

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deekster 04/13/10 - 05:14 am
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And some would continue to

And some would continue to say that America is a Christian Nation. How foolish and deceived. Augusta is becoming the new "San Francisco". Mayor Deke proclaims, "Augusta Georgia to be the Limp Wrist Capital of the CSRA".

johnston.cliff
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johnston.cliff 04/13/10 - 06:14 am
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Homosexuality has always been

Homosexuality has always been one of the more peculiar lifestyle choices, from my perspective. I've never really understood why this is a better choice than any other, but many find refuge in it. Personally, I have no problem with adults living this lifestyle, but I feel I shouldn't be made to pay for their choice. Insisting on special dispensation for this choice is insulting and unreasonable. Only the "diversified" government entities would consider special rights for homosexuals. Virtually every time a "special rights for homosexuals" referendum is offered to voters, it's soundly defeated by a 3 to 1 margin ... in every state.

southernguy08
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southernguy08 04/13/10 - 06:21 am
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Careful Denis, advocating
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Careful Denis, advocating something like morals will get you nothing but disgust from the libs.

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Dixieman 04/13/10 - 06:22 am
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I really don't care what they

I really don't care what they do as long as they don't do it in the street and frighten the horses.

Taylor B
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Taylor B 04/13/10 - 06:40 am
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Hmmm... Where's the stats on

Hmmm... Where's the stats on gay marriage? Oh wait, we don't have those, so we really can't say what's going to happen. Anyone taking the time to write a letter on this subject needs a hobby.

brimisjoshan
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brimisjoshan 04/13/10 - 06:41 am
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GPAP that is what is so

GPAP that is what is so awesome about God. He chooses to work with and through man to do His work like the Bible. As far as speaking for Himself, He did in Jesus! "and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us". Brayton, God Will not judge us for following His word but for denying it. Don't confuse condemning the act of homosexuality with hatred toward the homosexual which we do love in Christ. True love will always be based on truth. We share the truth even if hurts.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 04/13/10 - 06:43 am
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When will The Chronicle

When will The Chronicle exercise its prerogative and its responsibility and quit printing letters to the editor that are hate speech? The Chronicle does not print overtly racist letters. The struggle for homosexual rights is exactly the same as the struggle for civil rights 50 years ago. Both are human rights that are protected under the Constitution. When will the persecution stop? It wasn't that long ago that homosexuality was diagnosed as a mental disorder. The American Psychiatric Association has dropped that diagnosis. Homosexuality is not destructive behavior. Persecution of homosexuals is destructive behavior. Homosexuality is a normal part of human sexual expression. It is not deviant behavior nor is it a choice that people make. Roughly 10% of the population is born with a homosexual orientation. It is time for The Chronicle's editorial staff and editorial board to move into the modern era and refuse to print letters like this. Homosexuality is not pedophilia. Homosexuality is not incest. Homosexuality is not bestiality. Live and let live, People.

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InChristLove 04/13/10 - 06:44 am
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GGpap, let me assure you, My

GGpap, let me assure you, My GOD is not weak but all powerful. You stated "Men of the time the separate books of the bible were written were simply stating their opinions;". I guess that's why all through the Bible it states "And God Said" or "And the Lord said". Doesn't sound like their opinions, rather they were repeating the inspired words God spoke to them.

JohnQPublic
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JohnQPublic 04/13/10 - 06:51 am
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Nat the Cat, you stated,

Nat the Cat, you stated, "Ahmadinajad says that Homosexuality is strictly a "Western," phenomenon...that there are no Homosexuals in the Muslim World. I sincerely would like to know why that is?" WHY would anyone believe what Ahmadinajad has to say? Someone I know who served there says different based on observations made while doing recon in the mountains. I choose to believe an American G.I.
As far as the article goes, live and let live. Mind your own business. Clean your own closet.

fd1962
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fd1962 04/13/10 - 06:56 am
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Brayton99, you make a pretty
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Brayton99, you make a pretty compelling argument there. Well done.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 04/13/10 - 07:08 am
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johnston.cliff, I merely

johnston.cliff, I merely stated the long established fact that when 10% of the population is born homosexual, regardless of whether they are repressed or not, that homosexual behavior is a normal part of the spectrum of human sexual expression. I did not say anything about your sexual orientation or about mine, but your homophobia and desire to stigmatize or ridicule those who are is clear and unenlightened. What are you afraid of johnston.cliff? Nobody is threatening you, your sexual orientation, or you lifestyle? What's it to you if others seek the same freedoms and liberties you enjoy?

johnston.cliff
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johnston.cliff 04/13/10 - 07:45 am
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cain, your adamant belief in

cain, your adamant belief in " 10% born homosexual" falls into the "global warming" category. A fine theory, but so far unverified. Your comment that homosexual was normal implied you felt, from your perspective, it was "normal" for all reading your post, which leads me to believe you consider it normal. (Thus my question. I apologize if it offended you.) I just disagreed. I stated that I had no problem with adults choosing this lifestyle, does that sound like I'm afraid or threatened? Your comprehension seems to be a little off this morning. So I'll try to state it more clearly. I have no problem with people believing in the "homo-gene" or with adults choosing the homosexual lifestyle. As far as "normal" goes, homosexuality isn't, in my life.

1776
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1776 04/13/10 - 07:19 am
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I know what the Bible says

I know what the Bible says regarding homosexuality. However, I don't think that all gay people consciously made the decision to be gay. I truly believe that everyone is born with an unconscious sexual orientation. Some are heterosexual, and some are homosexual. One thing to remember, that some of us often forget, if homosexuality is a sin, it is no different in God's eyes than any other sin. Lying, stealing, adultery, cheating, boasting, and the list goes on. In God's eyes, a sin is a sin.

johnston.cliff
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johnston.cliff 04/13/10 - 07:33 am
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A decision can be made

A decision can be made without it being a conscious decision. The "homo-gene" or "unconscious orientation" or what ever name the choice is given is one we all have and decide, for what ever reason, to exercise or not, just like all other choices. This exact argument can be made for any trait.

johnston.cliff
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johnston.cliff 04/13/10 - 07:34 am
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whyisit, your needle is stuck

whyisit, your needle is stuck

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