Health reform is Christian thing to do

Many Christians and other God-fearing people are in favor of health care

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The April 1 editorial page consisted of three letters bemoaning the passage of the health-care bill. "The United States ceased to exist," lamented one writer, while another "witnessed the day America died." Passage of health care obviously has caused a traumatic loss for these individuals.

However great the loss this action has inflicted, it does not confer to these dissidents the right to claim moral or godly superiority. Many Christians and other God-fearing people are in favor of health care. Millions of the poor, including the working poor, cannot afford the exorbitant premiums charged by the insurance companies. They go without medical care and needed medication.

America is known as the most generous country in the world. We send millions of dollars to countries that hate us, and only practice austerity when it comes to meeting the needs of fellow Americans.

A principal reason that the three-year ministry of Jesus drew attention that has lasted more than 2,000 years was that He and his disciples healed the sick. Jesus did not ask for money or an insurance card before he healed.

Neither side of this issue has the right to question spiritual adherence or infer the lack of moral standards in the opposition.

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orb 04/04/10 - 11:14 pm
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I watched again tonight the

I watched again tonight the closing minutes of the movie "The Sound of Music" depicting the take over of Austria in the late 1930's by the Fascist regime of Hitler's Germany; of course aided by traitors within Austria. I was reminded once again of the tragedy when a free people are enslaved by a foreign ideology; the ideology of Marxism.

The so-called health care bill passed by the democrats has nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus Christ, rather it embodies the teaching of Karl Marx which should be anathema to every "true believer". Under this so-called health care bill the Christian taxpayer will be forced to pay for the slaughter of unborn children and forced to support the withdrawal of medical care from the elderly. So I ask the writer of the above letter: Is this what Jesus Christ would advocate; is this what any "true believer" should advocate?

I do not contend that all democrats are Marxist. I do assert that the core of the democrat party, particularly their elected leaders are Marxist or have Marxist leanings. This truth is shown by their continued attempt, and frequent success, in having the Federal Government encroach on and control every aspect of the lives of the citizens of this country. This truth is shown by the ravings of MoveOn.Org and the Huffington Post.

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carcraft 04/05/10 - 05:53 am
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Many people, including Judy,

Many people, including Judy, seem to miss the point that Jesus Christ Death on the cross was to give us freedom to choose who to serve, God or evil, before Christ we were bound by sin..STEALING from others and FORCING others to spend their money is the antithesis of Christianity..This bill is using 10 years of taxes to pay for 6 years of service while cutting spending for health care for the elderly..hardly Christian..In scripture there is the admonition "unless one works he souldn't eat" II Thessalonians 3:10. The left wants the few to support the many and today we have welfare moms who consider spending other peoples money their "right" now we have those spending others peoples money having the "right" to health care..

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carcraft 04/05/10 - 05:57 am
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Yes Judy, I do have the right

Yes Judy, I do have the right to infer a lack moral standards on the other side when the chief cheer leader for this bill BARACK HUSSAIN OBAMA passed a law REQUIRING health care workers to take a BABY born after a botched abortion and leave it to die..WHEN I am forced to pay for abortions...

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southernguy08 04/05/10 - 06:22 am
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Ms. Berry, nobody is saying
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Ms. Berry, nobody is saying we didn't need reform. We simply said another government program, that the president and congress conveniently exempted themselves from, isn't the answer.

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deekster 04/05/10 - 06:37 am
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Obama Healthcare is not

Obama Healthcare is not "MEDICAL CARE". Wakeup sheeple. FEDERALLY MANDATED HEALTHCARE was never intended to "provide medical care for those who could not afford medical care. Anyone, no matter their financial stauts in American can and do go to the hospital on the taxpayers dime. It is called "indigent care". Red, yellow, black and white are given medical attention when they need same. Horror stories of "select individuals" who are denied medical attention are most often not truthful or exaggerated. They are just that, "stories", contrived to sway public opinion. PROPOGANDA. Remember when we were taught in "public school" how the "evil Soviets" feed their masses with lies and half truths. We, the baby boomers were being "feed the same lies" by our leaders. Kruschev vowed we would be "destroyed from within". He was more precise that Nostradomus.

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johnston.cliff 04/05/10 - 07:29 am
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Judy, your government

Judy, your government education has left you without enough knowledge to make a decision of this magnitude. Ignorance is bliss only if you have no power to force your will on others. The obamacare p.r. is nothing like the obamacare bill. You've been tricked again.

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InChristLove 04/05/10 - 08:32 am
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This has got to be the

This has got to be the stupidest statement for justification "A principal reason that the three-year ministry of Jesus drew attention that has lasted more than 2,000 years was that He and his disciples healed the sick. Jesus did not ask for money or an insurance card before he healed" Duh, he was God Almighty and didn't need to be paid and I can almost bet they didn't have medical insurance in Jesus' time.

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InChristLove 04/05/10 - 08:47 am
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Judy, you are correct on one

Judy, you are correct on one thing, most Christians and other God-fearing people are in favor of health care, just not this health care bill that just passed. Yes Christ preached about helping our neighbor but he also gave us the freedom to choose.

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dani 04/05/10 - 09:18 am
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" Millions of the poor,

" Millions of the poor, including the working poor, cannot afford the exorbitant premiums charged by the insurance companies.".----

There is nothing in the Obamacare bill to control premium cost. To the contrary, Obama would prefer that premiums go up which would then make it easy for a government takeover.

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Local Interests 04/05/10 - 09:45 am
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Barack Obama is not a

Barack Obama is not a dark-skinned, anti-war socialist who gives away free health care. Those making that mistake are thinking of Jesus.
Hope everyone had a Happy Easter!

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dichotomy 04/05/10 - 10:09 am
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Ms. Berry. christian and

Ms. Berry. christian and moral values have nothing to do with this healthcare bill. If you are a christian you are welcome to take all of your money that you want and give it to someone to pay their healthcare bills. The question here is Constitutional and philosophical. Should the government take money away from my family to give it to people who refuse to work and pay their own way? Does the Constitution permit the government to mandate that everyone buy healthcare insurance? You may think that your christian values dictate government imposed socialism but my values tell me not to encourage entitlement and dependence on government programs. My values are personal responsibility and self-reliance. Christian values of charity are volutary and you are welcome to support as many freeloaders as you wish. But christian values are not relevant to government mandates and taxation. I don't remember any stories of Jesus sending the IRS around to seize the bank accounts of those who did not to heal the sick. Christian values and Communism are two different things with very different motives.

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Runner46 04/05/10 - 10:49 am
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"Health reform is Christian

"Health reform is Christian thing to do" Kind-a reminds me of the Prohibishionists movement. Just another excuse to use religion as a battering ram to control people. How very Jihadist!

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Fiat_Lux 04/05/10 - 01:40 pm
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Judy, How did you forget that

Judy,
How did you forget that it was HIS FOLLOWERS that Jesus told to take care of the widows and orphans, not the government? And he was also pretty clear that if you don't work, you don't eat. He also told them (and us) that we would always have the poor with us, and that we could do for them as we are able.

Some kind of institutionalized health care coverage for the poor MIGHT be a moral good (ie, Medicaide), but without the consent of a vast majority of the people, it's simply tyranny to force people to provide it, especially if it will place them in dire straits. Rule of law, don't you know? And this bunch of cretins and tyrants went around the intent of the law to do this to Americans who pay taxes and support their sorry rears. Do you think that Christians just ought to smile and nod and suck up this vileness without a word of protest? Do you have any memory of Jesus' little foray into the Temple and his dealings with the money-changers?

These thugs and thieves are no different than those thugs and thieves. They're robbing people, even people living on the edge, and making themselves rich in the name of "helping the poor", which makes their guilt all the more heinous.

You're a little mushy on your theology, girl.

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Fiat_Lux 04/05/10 - 01:37 pm
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The thing about you, Judy, is

The thing about you, Judy, is the very thing about so many Christians in America. You have no trouble believing what the Bible teaches about Jesus and salvation and being Christlike, but you don't like to get your own hands dirty any more than the Christians running the show back in the 1960s and 70s did.

It's a whole lot easier and tons less messy to let the government "take care of things" by throwing our money at "the problem" than it is to actually DO what Jesus told us to do, which was to get involved in the lives of people who need help and help them ourselves. And I'm not talking about Toys for Tots or Thanksgiving baskets either, which are simply another version of throwing money at "the problem".

We let LBJ use our money to create the "Great Society", which to our everlasting shame has created an institutionalized and ever growing underclass who are dependent upon the government for almost everything, at the cost of their families.

And now, in our infinite obtuseness and irresponsibility, we are trying to extend that insanity to include all of us, at the cost of our nation's prosperity and our liberty from government intrusion into our lives.

Thanks, Judy, for keeping the tradition of uninvolved Christianity going in this new century. You're one of millions.

It may be too little too late, but there are many people actually doing something about "the problem" instead of just lying back and letting people like Pelosi (a genuine apostate), Reid and Obamination wreck us.

They aren't lazy or gutless and they take a lot of abuse from the lefties and the lazy gutless.

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GAterp 04/05/10 - 01:42 pm
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Nice letter Judy. It appears

Nice letter Judy. It appears that you have irked a few Christians though. At least they say they are Christians. I'm a Christian too! And I truly believe your viewpoint.

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Fiat_Lux 04/05/10 - 01:48 pm
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What a surprise that you

What a surprise that you would agree with a government take-over of Christians' and every individual's moral responsibility, GAterp. I'm sure you have no problem viewing the needs of the poor from afar and letting someone else do the heavy lifting for you if you can simply pay to have them do it.

Yep. That's real Christianity.

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Local Interests 04/05/10 - 01:53 pm
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People seem to forget that

People seem to forget that this healthcare bill WAS supported by the majority and Majority Rules is how Democracy works.
Obama and the many House and Senate seats were won in the last election with Obama being very up front with wanting to reform healthcare.
The bill passed with a majority vote. That means the majority got the people they wanted and passed the laws they wanted.
In fact, even today support and opposition to the law depends on how the question is worded. The majority still support the major elements of the bill (I doubt anyone, Obama included, likes EVERY element of the law. That's true for about all laws of this magnitude) when asked in a straightforward way without using slanted political terms. It's only when untrue and misleading terms like "government-run healthcare" and "government funded abortions" or "socialized medicine" are used that people begin to object.

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Fiat_Lux 04/05/10 - 02:01 pm
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It's simply astonishing that

It's simply astonishing that this LTE writer believes America is more generous to foreign nations than to our own citizens. Our foreign aid is a fraction of the American dole out for private citizens' care and education.

And a few simply changes in federal law regarding how insurance companies do business (like allowing them to start selling policies across state lines or passing tort reform so doctors/hospitals were forced to practice defensive medicine) would almost immediately make health insurance very affordable for virtually everyone with a job. Even Medicaid and Medicare recipients would benefit enormously for those two simple changes.

You have to wonder why the simplest solutions don't appeal to the people who've decided they get to make the decisions. Could it be they want more control over people? Are they having their pockets lined even more by companies that like the high price of premiums? And what about lawyers like James Sokolov and Ken Nugent who are always looking for poor dupes that can make them even richer?

The soft-hearted, mush-brained liberal weenies are destroying us when the solutions are simple and staring us in the face. And, believe it or not, they honestly think they are doing the good, moral thing, as if they all were pubescent girls dealing with injured kittens.

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ron_rlw 04/05/10 - 02:02 pm
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Judy ... I would agree with

Judy ... I would agree with you if I believed that this health care bill actually did anything to help the poor. But it doesn't, infact it will unnecessarily increase the total health care cost for everyone. This will end up actually decreasing the amount of health care available for the poor ... not increasing it. I object to this health bill for two reasons ... 1)it is unconstitutional ... the constitution should have been amended before it was passed. 2) It was passed based on the lie that it would make health care more affordable.

A real health care packages could have been developed that would have done what you claim in your letter at a cost that is much less than the bill the passed and one that would have followed our Constitution ... but the Democrats got what they wanted instead.

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Fiat_Lux 04/05/10 - 02:07 pm
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No Local, it WAS NOT

No Local, it WAS NOT supported by a majority. It was passed by a fraction over a simple majority of legislators and not by even a clear majority of American citizens. A bill of this magnitude should arise and become law by a clear mandate from the American voters instead of just squeaking by because of backroom deals and threats to legislators.

Our legislators and certainly the chief executive weren't interested at all in what the people wanted, and they were very clear on that point. If they had wanted to know if most people supported it, why were they unwilling even to let us look at it for long enough to know what it said?

You've very mistaken if you think the people who voted these miserable communists into office ever thought they would do anything approaching what they have done to us.

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orb 04/05/10 - 02:17 pm
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GAterp You say: "Nice letter

GAterp

You say: "Nice letter Judy. It appears that you have irked a few Christians though. At least they say they are Christians. I'm a Christian too! And I truly believe your viewpoint."

You are entitled to your viewpoint. However as a Christian you should certainly understand that:
1. You are not Robin Hood and are not entitled to steal from one group to give to another.
2. You are not entitled to "theft by taking" from Christians or other pro-lifers to pay for the slaughter of unborn children.
3. You are not entitled to say that medical care can be denied to the elderly.

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uptheseventhplanet 04/05/10 - 02:21 pm
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Local Interest@1:53 Well

Local Interest@1:53 Well obviously there is no need to file a complaint if two thugs rob you. There was an election, they won, and the majority rules. You ought to sue the government for your education they failed to provide.

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orb 04/05/10 - 02:30 pm
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Local Interests The majority

Local Interests

The majority of the people are opposed to the so-called health care reform bill. They are opposed to the trillion dollar deficits that it will create thereby;
1. imposing an intolerable burden on the younger generations, and
2. forcing the government into bankruptcy.

The majority in the Senate and House did not even read the bill that they voted on. It was cobbled up behind closed doors by Harry Reid and a bunch of unelected bureaucrats or lobbyists.

But if not repealed it will accomplish what the Marxists who control the democrat party want; drive the country into bankruptcy and either into the arms of Communist China or the third world!

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corgimom 04/05/10 - 02:38 pm
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"Under this so-called health

"Under this so-called health care bill the Christian taxpayer will be forced to pay for the slaughter of unborn children and forced to support the withdrawal of medical care from the elderly."

Christian and non-Christian taxpayers have been paying for abortions since 1973.

And Christian taxpayers have been forced for over 200 years to pay for wars.

There has always been withdrawal of medical care.

If you want to complain about this health care bill, there's plenty to complain about, but focus on the truth, instead of nonsense. You need to focus on the REALITY of this bill, and stop complaining about provisions that have always been there.

By constantly bleating about things that HAVEN"T CHANGED and WON"T CHANGE, focus on what HAS changed.

Abortion is here to stay. Once you give someone a right, it is nearly impossible to take it away. You want to eliminate paying for abortions? Well, then focus on advocating more effective and cheaper birth control, and do not waste my time talking about condoms- which are highly ineffective.

People DIE. There is no way that anyone, anywhere, can stop death. That is inevitable for all of us. Doctors and facilities have been raping Medicare to do procedures on sick and dying people that do not stop their death and in many cases, speeds it up or even causes it prematurely. That is obscene. Focus on THAT.

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baronvonreich 04/05/10 - 02:52 pm
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How very typical of someone,

How very typical of someone, especially a Christian, to inject their personal beliefs into American, theocratic policy. It is very sad that so many use a violent, hypocritical collection of beliefs known as Christianity in an attempt to indoctrinate a free society into their utter, useless hypocrisy.

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Fiat_Lux 04/05/10 - 03:15 pm
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Amazingly, I agree with most

Amazingly, I agree with most of Corgi's 2:38. We've been paying for abortions overseas for decades, even though we haven't been paying for them here.

And she right that abortion may be here to stay, shamefully enough. But birth control won't stop it or probably even reduce it much. The only thing that will cause it to go away is the same thing that makes artificial birth control a bad idea as well, not that the vast majority reading this paragraph would believe that is true, much less have the smallest clue why it actually is true.

As the huge waste of resources by use of heroic measures to extend a life that is clearly circling the drain is akin to gluttony. We shouldn't do it, and if people more generally had experience of God's love, they wouldn't be so desperate to cling to this life, even for their loved ones. (But we all know that would require the kind of humility and commitment that a growing percentage of us aren't willing to undertake.)

But I don't think the cuts to care for the elderly and disabled are going to fall into that category only. My limited reading of the provisions makes me believe that many standard diagnostic procedures, treatments and medications that other people will be allowed without any problem are not going to be easily available to the "less valuable" members of our society. Instead, these disposables will be thoroughly and endlessly advised on end-of-life options.

After all, why should they suck up the limited resources when they don't produce wealth, even if they once did.

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Fiat_Lux 04/05/10 - 03:23 pm
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Baron, while you seem a

Baron, while you seem a knowledgeable fiscal conservative, it's perfectly clear that you know virtually nothing about the teachings of Christianity. So give us all a break from your bigotry, Ok?

You just don't know enough to even have an opinion about Christianity, much less any clue about how people actually do fail to live up to it's standards. You just evaluate people based on your own arbitrary standards and then curse them if they happen to be Christians and somehow neglected choose you as their lord and judge and your standards for their own. Someone isn't a defective Christian just because YOU don't happen to approve of their choices or behavior.

You really should get over yourself and go get some decent information instead of advertising your lack of knowledge and bigotry so publicly. I'm embarrassed for you even though I'm usually getting attacked by you.

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InChristLove 04/05/10 - 04:16 pm
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baron, go back to your nap.

baron, go back to your nap. I'm sure I'm not the only one tired of your endless ranting about Christians being murderers, oppressive, and hypocrits. If you don't have some current data to back up your OPINION of Christians murdering, and oppressing individuals then be quiet. You're beginning to sound like jackfruitpaper and his endless racist ranting.

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jack 04/05/10 - 04:29 pm
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I heard that one of the

I heard that one of the programs to be cut in Medicare is dialysis. Will it be the Christian thing to do to let those that need this procedure die by the thousands for the lack of it? A side note: evidently, neither the black caucus that supported this bill nor BimbObama realize that kidney failure is primarily a BLACK disease. I am one of the only two whites being treated on my shift.

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jack 04/05/10 - 04:33 pm
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baronvonreich Monday, Apr. 5

baronvonreich
Monday, Apr. 5 2:52 PM

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How very typical of someone, especially a Christian, to inject their personal beliefs into American, theocratic policy. It is very sad that so many use a violent, hypocritical collection of beliefs known as Christianity in an attempt to indoctrinate a free society into their utter, useless hypocrisy.

-- Where is all that violence in Christianity today? Who tries to indoctrinate society more than atheists such as you with your tirades aganst Christians? I don't know how much longer we will have the right to free speech at the rate BimbObama and his Progressive minions are going, but Christians certainly have that right as of today.

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