'Christian militia' doesn't speak for God

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I am surprised that someone at The Augusta Chronicle knowledgeable of the Bible, such as Billy Morris or someone on the editorial staff, has not yet responded to the cries for hated revenge toward the Obama administration for passing the health-care reform.

During this Holy Week, we all need to turn to the events that mark this week as special and extraordinary. I have particularly in mind the scene in the Garden of Gethsemane, the site of a crucial scene that speaks to what the so-called "Christian militia" espouses these days: Jesus is arrested, and we read that Peter drew his sword and cut off one of the arresting people's ears. Jesus then said to Peter, "Put your sword back into its place, for all who take the sword will perish with the sword. Do you not think that I can appeal to my Father, and he will at once send me more than 12 legions of angels?"

I rest my case against all who would join the ranks of the "Christian militia," which does not represent the Gospel message in the Bible. Such a divisive movement is doomed to fail because it does not come from the God of grace, justice and unity.

Gene Norris

Augusta

(The writer is a Presbyterian minister.)

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orb
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orb 04/03/10 - 12:40 am
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I agree with the minister

I agree with the minister that the ravings of any so called "Christian militia" is totally inconsistent with the Gospel message of Jesus Christ. However, I do wonder what "the God of grace, justice and unity" thinks of Obama who advocates the slaughter of the unborn and the just born.

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GGpap 04/03/10 - 02:18 am
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Orb, this letter does not

Orb, this letter does not directly address the issue of abortion; however, since most Christians believe they are actually the "children of God" (as did Jesus) why do you not pray with the true faith of your leader (and appeal to your Father, as did Jesus) knowing full well that when God wishes to do away with abortions "he will at once send---more than 12 legions of angels" to do battle with the abortionists? IMO none of those who are still among the living have yet reached the station of an angel so please step back and let the "12 legions" handle this problem. GGpap

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justus4 04/03/10 - 05:12 am
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Slavery was conducted under
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Slavery was conducted under the exact same wicked guise: A phony religious operation rooted in violence and deception. Expanded to benefit particular individuals, enrichment of particular individuals and to establish a new country, all under the threat of violence, rape, murder and bloodshed. History is littered with case after case, death after death, but the nation is called by some; a Christian nation. Here is the question: How can one rationalize such atrocities with Christians? What bible are they reading? Oh, the same one that was used during the TransAtlantic Slave Trade. Great country, eh?

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 04/03/10 - 07:13 am
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Excellent letter, Mr. Norris.

Excellent letter, Mr. Norris. Take the next step. "Christian" militias who are terrorists do not speak for Christianity. Neither do "Muslim" extremists who are terrorists speak for Islam. Neither group speaks for God. We should not link terrorism with religion. The expression "Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims" is patently false. Islam is a religion of peace, and Christ is the Prince of Peace. Those who love God have nothing to fear from those who may be able to kill of bodies but not our soul. God is love. Peace is the way. Love is the answer.

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Jane18 04/03/10 - 08:24 am
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Cain, how can you put islam

Cain, how can you put islam and Jesus in the same sentence? ggpap, you seem to have made your choice as to who and what you believe, so you keep on running that yapper of yours and one day we will see how GOD handles all problems. Justus, what can I say? I think you and your life has to be one the most miserable and unhappy situations on this earth today. I have never read one thing positive that you have written. And yes, not only is this a great country, IT IS THE GREATEST COUNTRY!(Yes, I know you were being a smart mouth )

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howcanweknow 04/03/10 - 08:34 am
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Still don't understand why

Still don't understand why Justus advocates abortion, when it is a disproportionate number of AA babies that are aborted. It's the closest thing we have to blatant genocide today, yet never hear Justus address that reality. Very hypocritical. Regarding the issue of "Peace": Islam is called a religion of peace, yet their primary source document, the Koran, does command violence against nonbelievers and even against women. In great contrast, the Prince of Peace commanded love and peace for all. Islam and Christianity are very different, and do not worship the same God.

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dashiel 04/03/10 - 08:56 am
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Look around you this

Look around you this week.
"God don't like ugly."
There's a reason why PRAYING FOR OUR LEADERS
remains the tradition among those who strive to live honorably.

Rants get no higher than the ceiling. Prayer goes much further and farther. Anyone who professes to be a Christian should know this already.

God asks that you be an instrument of His PEACE. Trust in Him and obey. Vengeance is His because we can't handle it. If you want to argue this point, take it up with the man upstairs. He will sort it out for you, sooner or later.

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Brad Owens 04/03/10 - 10:13 am
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Taking the Lord's comments

Taking the Lord's comments out of context to fit your agenda? Looks like Gene is taking a page out of the so-called "Christian" militia's handbook.

Maybe the Lord reveals himself to these folks in a different manner than Gene can understand. I mean if you believe the Bible then ANYTHING is possible right?

You cannot base finite things and actions on fairy tales. It takes a tremendous act of 'faith' to commit an act of violence in my opinion. You must have compete 'faith' that you are right to do the things terrorist do, otherwise they are just nuts.

Cain, the Peace Corp is ready when you are.

Brad

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brimisjoshan 04/03/10 - 10:21 am
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GPap, something strange is

GPap, something strange is happening here. I am agreeing with you like you did with me on my last post. LOL It is a good point that we cannot take a "violent or military" type actions as Christians until Jesus Himself is ready to start it. If God wants to put a stop to it He will do so immediately. I personally don't agree with abortions; and I think as Christians we have a duty to speak out about it and use our constitutional freedom to do so, but I can't go breaking laws, killing abortion doctors and expect that in some way that honors God. Prayer is still the greatest weapon and love the greatest power to see change. btw none us have reached angel status or ever will. LOL

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fd1962 04/03/10 - 10:28 am
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Brad, don't you wish we all
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Brad, don't you wish we all knew the other five Commandments on the third tablet Mel Brooks said Moses dropped coming down off the mountain?

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dichotomy 04/03/10 - 10:30 am
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Geez justus4. "Transatlantic

Geez justus4. "Transatlantic Slave Trade" my rear end. The slave trade did not happen "under the guise" of any religion. The slave trade was embraced by all religions and "gods". The slave trade was a world wide business. You act like it was created here and only practiced here. Long before there were white people in North Amercian the Africans, the Egyptians, the Incas, the Romans, the Europeans, and about any other society embraced and practiced slavery and slave trading in some form or fashion. Apparently everyone's "god" approved. Slavery was part of humankind's progression. Admittedly, probably the worst part, or at least tied by religion and the propensity of various religions to start killing each other because "my god is better than your god". But it happened, it's gone, and it's time to quit whining. Nothing can change what has happened so get over it. The only slavery you should be worried about today is enslavement by the government and we are all getting the ankle shackles riveted on to us as we speak. Of course you proably won't see anything wrong with that since you will be the benefactor of the slave labor this time around. Is that it justus? Is Obama's "social justice" just another name for "social revenge", or in another word, "reparations"? As a side note, I do wish the "Christian militia" would concentrate on being the Constitutional militia and quit inflaming the debate by injecting their religion into the current discussion. The issues at stake here are our constitutional rights to be free of an oppressive government and injecting religion into the debate just gives the left wing and excuse to deflect the discussion into a side "hot button" issue. Stick to the basics here people. If you allow the Democrats to dismantle the Constitution you may not have the right to practice Christianity or any other religion. Practice your religion. Fight for your Constitution.

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fd1962 04/03/10 - 10:56 am
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Good job of NOT injecting
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Good job of NOT injecting religion into your debate, Dichotomy. Any other prescient advice?

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orb 04/03/10 - 11:13 am
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GGpap You say: "when God

GGpap

You say: "when God wishes to do away with abortions "he will at once send---more than 12 legions of angels" to do battle with the abortionists?"

Just where in Scripture did you read the above or did God give you a "special word of knowledge"? As long as people like you continue to support those like Obama who advocate abortion then I suspect God WILL NOT send His "12 legions of angels" to stop abortion. However, there is a "Day of Judgment" coming!

When I read the parroting of "Christians" who support and advocate abortion I am reminded of the following Scripture: "Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them." [Romans 1:32]

Furthermore, rather than stand back and wait for the "12 legions of angels" I would call your attention to the following Scripture: "Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good." [Romans 12:9] Abortion is not only irrational, it is obviously evil. The Fascist Hitler euthanized 6 million Jews. The Fascist mind set in this country has resulted in the slaughter of more than 50 million babies! Germany was judged at the hands of the United States. As I said above: There is a "Day of Judgment" coming! Perhaps God will use the collapse of this country under Obama as temporal judgment.

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Nat the Cat 04/03/10 - 12:07 pm
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Justus--Terrible argument

Justus--Terrible argument blaming the Christian Religion for Slavery.
Dichotomy--Excellent argument--"both parts on Point!"
Orb--Excellent anti-abortion argument!
GGpap--Excellent "making fun of God, and people's religion Argument"

Jane18
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Jane18 04/03/10 - 12:06 pm
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Thank you Dichotomy and Orb!

Thank you Dichotomy and Orb! I only wish I had said it!

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baronvonreich 04/03/10 - 02:08 pm
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justus actually has good

justus actually has good points today. "History is littered with case after case, death after death, but the nation is called by some; a Christian nation." History is indeed littered with violence and oppression promoted by the self-serving Christians.

dichotomy - if you want to fight for your Constitution then you had better vote for Libertarians or independents at the ballot box. Neither of the 2 major, corrupt, inept, anti-Constitution parties care one iota about the rights of Americans as granted by the Constitution.

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orb 04/03/10 - 03:29 pm
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grouse You ask:"Orb, how can

grouse

You ask:"Orb, how can you "slaughter" something that is not born?"

The abortionist slaughters them while they are still in the womb. It may be by saline solution, by cutting them up like a piece of meat, or for the very young they are simply vacuumed out. For those near term the Partial Birth Abortion procedure was used until it was finally outlawed by a Republican Congress and a Republican president and upheld by the Supreme Court. This latter method was practiced by Diller the baby killer.

grouse you also state: and the President has never advocated the "slaughter" of the "just born."

You are misinformed or deliberately blind to the truth. The following articles show the true nature of Obama [I apologize for their length but grouse is mistaken.]:

Obama Blocked Born Alive Infant Protection Act
 
by Jill Stanek, guest reporter

http://www.citizenlink.org/content/A000007034.cfm

He often stood alone as an Illinois lawmaker in opposition to protections for babies who survived abortion.

Note: This report first appeared in the April issue of Citizen magazine.

On Jan. 10, 2005, newly elected U.S. Sen. Barack Obama visited former colleagues and staffers at the Illinois state Capitol, where he had served seven years as state senator. I happened to be at the Capitol that day, too, and a friend and I took the opportunity to speak to Obama, who had not yet achieved rock-star status and was still approachable.

We were in Springfield to lobby for passage of the state Born Alive Infant Protection Act, legislation that would require hospitals to care for infants who survive an abortion. Obama spoke against the legislation in 2001 and 2002 and single-handedly defeated it in committee in 2003.
My friend stood in Obama’s path and said, “Senator, we are going to pass Born Alive here in Illinois this year.”

Obama smiled smoothly and agreed, “I think you will,” adding, “I would have voted for the Born Alive Infant Protection Act in Illinois had it been worded the same as the federal bill. I think that’s the position the Democrats should take.”

There’s just one thing he forgot to mention: Obama had stopped his committee from adding the federal wording.

With Obama no longer in the state Senate, the Born Alive legislation passed in 2005.

Obama and 'Infanticide'

August 25, 2008

The facts about Obama's votes against 'Born Alive' bills in Illinois.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obama_and_infanticide.html

Summary

Anti-abortion activists accuse Obama of "supporting infanticide," and the National Right to Life Committee says he's conducted a "four-year effort to cover up his full role in killing legislation to protect born-alive survivors of abortions." Obama says they're "lying."

At issue is Obama's opposition to Illinois legislation in 2001, 2002 and 2003 that would have defined any aborted fetus that showed signs of life as a "born alive infant" entitled to legal protection, even if doctors believe it could not survive.

Obama opposed the 2001 and 2002 "born alive" bills as backdoor attacks on a woman's legal right to abortion, but he says he would have been "fully in support" of a similar federal bill that President Bush had signed in 2002, because it contained protections for Roe v. Wade.

We find that, as the NRLC said in a recent statement, Obama voted in committee against the 2003 state bill that was nearly identical to the federal act he says he would have supported. Both contained identical clauses saying that nothing in the bills could be construed to affect legal rights of an unborn fetus, according to an undisputed summary written immediately after the committee's 2003 mark-up session.

Whether opposing "born alive" legislation is the same as supporting "infanticide," however, is entirely a matter of interpretation. That could be true only for those, such as Obama's 2004 Republican opponent, Alan Keyes, who believe a fetus that doctors give no chance of surviving is an "infant." It is worth noting that Illinois law already provided that physicians must protect the life of a fetus when there is "a reasonable likelihood of sustained survival of the fetus outside the womb, with or without artificial support."

Grouse you also say: "Actually, the Bible is rife with stories about how God practiced infanticide, but not one word (especially from Jesus) on abortion."

You will have to take that problem up with GOD!

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howcanweknow 04/03/10 - 05:07 pm
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Grouse, did you get your

Grouse, did you get your ideas from the preschool class today? I wish you wouldn't try to quote the Bible because it just reveals how little you know about it. Funny, how those who know the least tend to say the most.

Could you please tell us how a few minutes of journey through the birth canal or a C-section miraculously transforms a "blob of tissue" into a human being? What is so magical about those few seconds / minutes in transient that makes personhood in your mind? Obviously you know more than the most experienced doctors, scientists, and theologians on this subject. Enlighten us, please.

Jesus never condemned flying planes into buildings or electric shock, so, by your logic, I guess that makes these things OK?

What Jesus did say was to love everyone, including the innocent. He also spoke very specifically about the terrible condemnation awaiting those who harm a little one. I don't know about you, but I can put 2 and 2 together here and see where Jesus stands on abortion. Can you?

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johnston.cliff 04/03/10 - 11:57 pm
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Well said Orb and dichotomy.

Well said Orb and dichotomy.

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