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Violence disrupts due diligence in unearthing truth behind shooting

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What’s most desperately needed in Ferguson, Mo., right now is peace.

Without peace, there is no way authorities can get to the bottom of what happened to Michael Brown, the unarmed black teenager shot and killed by police this past weekend.

And without answers, there can be no justice – either for Brown or the still-unidentified officer who shot him after a struggle Saturday.

Brown’s family and others in the suburban St. Louis community are understandably angry, but that is no justification for unleashing rage, as did many in a flurry of violent criminal activity Sunday.

They will not find the answers they seek by looking through the smashed windows of a looted convenience store. They will not get the justice they seek by attempting to steal an ATM, or taking potshots at police officers from speeding vehicles.

Indeed, the anxiety of the gathering crowd in the wake of the shooting made it more difficult to get at the truth. Police said bystanders made it harder for investigators to properly process evidence and otherwise work the crime scene.

What is being reported about the Brown shooting, as of this writing, is that the 18-year-old was shot at least twice by a Ferguson police officer after a struggle involving the officer, Brown and another unidentified man.

At least one of the shots was fired from inside the vehicle. Additional shots were fired outside the vehicle. The unidentified third party has not been arrested or charged with a crime.

There’s no shortage of video footage showing the looting that broke out after the shooting. What would be immensely more helpful is if more officers and their vehicles came equipped with video recording devices, or at least audio, to chronicle unfolding events. It would improve accountability, and help clear up questions.

Brown’s mother, Lesley McSpadden, told St. Louis-area media outlets she doesn’t understand why police didn’t subdue her son with less-than-lethal means, such as a baton or a stun gun. She said police have not explained why the officer even confronted her son.

“I would like to see him fired,” McSpadden said of the officer, who police say is a six-year veteran of the force. “I would like to see him go to jail with the death penalty.”

Our heart goes out to the mother who lost her son. No one deserves answers more than her. But we urge her, and other citizens of Ferguson, to wait until many more facts are in.

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deestafford
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deestafford 08/12/14 - 12:10 am
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Now, what does it say about a culture...

Now, what does it say about a culture that every time something happens they don't like they riot and steal. Watts, St. Louis and many others have suffered the same fate.

I hope those whose shops and stores were destroyed never build back and the residents have to really suffer by being without food and other things. These scum don't realize, nor do they care, that people have risked everything they have in order to provide services and products to the neighborhood.

It maybe cruel but I would not care if there wer no private food stores or stores of any kind rebuilt or left in that section of the town. If they act like animals---treat them like animals. When is the last time a white neighborhood rioted because someone there was shot by the police?

What is additionally sad is these thugs and scum vote and you can bet they all vote only one way....Obama and the Democrats.

burninater
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burninater 08/12/14 - 05:08 am
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Dee, most of the protestors

Dee, most of the protestors were neither rioting nor stealing.

What motivates a desire to slur an entire community for the actions of a few? What is gained by that?

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Angela H 08/12/14 - 05:41 am
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Dee, I found it quite obvious

Dee, I found it quite obvious that you were addressing those who WERE rioting and stealing, not those who were not.

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carcraft 08/12/14 - 05:44 am
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Burninator is correct.

Burninator is correct. However, the fact that loss of a business, destruction of buildings and looting are only a perceived injustice away increases costs of operating in these areas!

ymnbde
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ymnbde 08/12/14 - 05:48 am
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young black males are less than 3% of the population

and commit over 50% of all violent crimes
any "honest" discussion starts there
the first step to improving that statistic is education
but the democrats are controlled by teacher's unions
and refuse to implement methods to educate young black males
this is a problem caused and kept by liberals

RMSHEFF
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RMSHEFF 08/12/14 - 06:10 am
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This is why these depressed

This is why these depressed areas stay depressed. If you ride through some areas in Augusta you will see bars on the windows and doors of many businesses. I would not locate my business in one of these areas. I don't remember seeing looting in other poor communities.

Angela H
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Angela H 08/12/14 - 06:25 am
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True that most were not

True that most were not rioting and looting, but why would you want to do business in an area where a small minority of people can do so much damage, just because things didn't go their way?

seenitB4
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seenitB4 08/12/14 - 06:54 am
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My post til Sean comes back!

Jack and Jill
Went up the hill
To fetch a pail of water,
Jack fell down
And broke his crown
And Jill came tumbling after.
Up Jack got
And home did trot
As fast as he could caper,
Went to bed
To mend his head
With vinegar and brown paper.

To the editor---everything else will be deleted---even news articles.

deestafford
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deestafford 08/12/14 - 07:34 am
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Burn, You are right. My anger is directed...

Burn, You are right. My anger is directed toward the thugs that actually rioted; however, the other people are responsible also in that they let these thugs get such control. The people are not in control and end of suffering as a result.

When the police go in and try to "protect and serve" some thug as this "nice young man" gets into a scuffle and tries to take an officer's weapon he gets killed and everyone wants to blame the police without knowing the facts. So, what does the community do? It turns out in en mass yelling victimhood.

Until the black community gets control of the young it will continue to wallow in victimhood and squalor.

Yesterday, my wife and I rode down Peach Orchard road and then back up Olive Road to Central Ave. To see the run down areas is tragic. In the 50's and 60's my cousin lived on Olive Road and it was lower middle class but nice and well taken care of. Now, it's junky and unkept as is much of the area south of Gordon highway.

My wife asked me why and I really didn't have a good answer except it is a commonality to the culture of the people who believe the world is out to get them and it is fueled by the left to keep them that way.

justthefacts
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justthefacts 08/12/14 - 07:35 am
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And??

What of Jill?

seenitB4
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seenitB4 08/12/14 - 07:39 am
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Sorry JTF

Jill was killed when she fell down the hill...at least she didn't get caught up in the gang violence in this story!

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Bizkit 08/12/14 - 07:44 am
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This reminds me of when the

This reminds me of when the four blacks that killed Channon Gail Christian, 21, and Hugh Christopher Newsom, Jr., 23, in Knoxville, Tennessee. They were raped, tortured, and murdered after being kidnapped the evening of January 6, 2007 when Christian's vehicle was carjacked. Yes I remember that the white community was up in arms and started protesting and some looting took place at the grievance discriminatory murder and all the lawyers came out complaining how these innocents were murdered-oops sorry that didn't happen. No protest, no riots, but they were prosecuted. I don't know the facts-neither does the community-so their actions seem premature and predetermined. Just watching the Trayvon Martin lawyer hold his hands up and relaying the story-which he doesn't know. I guess they believe in vigilante justice.

justthefacts
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justthefacts 08/12/14 - 07:43 am
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Free stuff

That is all the protest is about.

Bodhisattva
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Bodhisattva 08/12/14 - 08:04 am
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I doubt seriously the looters
Unpublished

I doubt seriously the looters had anything to do with with protesters, but were merely thugs and crooks taking advantage of the situation. Juvenile blacks made up 15% of the population as of 2012 and are growing, not 3%, juvenile whites made up 55% of the population. Strange how we're in a the South with no teacher unions and a conservative base, yet we still have crime. Bull on trying to blame teachers. That's stuff taught at home, or at least tried to. Many a decent parent has had a kid go wrong. Why does a 55% white juvenile population commit 62.3% of the forcible rape? 72.9% of the arson? 69.7% of the sex offenses? 91.6% of the DUI's? 69.7 of the offenses against the family and children? Because race doesn't have a danged thing to do with it, that's why, and we know just exacty what kind of person brings it up and thinks it does. Poverty, home environment, how you are brought up, all kinds of other factors play into it, but race isn't one of them. It's downright disgusting that in this day and age there are still people who think it does.

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CobaltGeorge 08/12/14 - 08:30 am
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Sure Would Love To See Where These Facts Come From!!

"Why does a 55% white juvenile population commit 62.3% of the forcible rape? 72.9% of the arson? 69.7% of the sex offenses? 91.6% of the DUI's? 69.7 of the offenses against the family and children?"

CobaltGeorge
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CobaltGeorge 08/12/14 - 09:15 am
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CobaltGeorge
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CobaltGeorge 08/12/14 - 08:33 am
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And

85% of the white juvenile population commit 79% of the daily shooting and killings!

justthefacts
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justthefacts 08/12/14 - 08:34 am
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Libs

While I enjoy reading posts from Burn (centrist), EEL, faithson, and a few others, every time I bother to read Bod's post, I feel I just wasted my time.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 08/12/14 - 08:46 am
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Bod race is dissected out all

Bod race is dissected out all the time-look at the GRU cancer minority grant. There are health-disparity differences as are other social ills afflicting this community because of poverty, cultural practices, etc. I agree it isn't "race" per se, but socioeconomic status which blacks have a high proportion of poor 27% compared to 9.9% white. Then the lack of family units and too many single moms-which receive higher proportions of welfare and assistance. Course white have the same trends too with more single moms-marriage is becoming passé'. But crime associates with low socioeconomic factors and sadly we have a president who isn't addressing poverty in the US-in fact it has increased and wealth disparity is increasing.

Bodhisattva
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Bodhisattva 08/12/14 - 08:59 am
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THE FBI!
Unpublished

THE FBI!

ymnbde
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ymnbde 08/12/14 - 09:17 am
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bod your stats are so grossly distorted they fall within the

definition of a lie
young black males are not 15% of the population in this country
do you have a specific neighborhood you're referring to?
reality does not agree with your mindset
and liberals have caused this problem with crime and young black males

Pops
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Pops 08/12/14 - 09:18 am
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Fact............................

the average inner city African-American young adult has MUCH more to fear from a fellow African-American young adult than the police. They are killing each other at an alarming rate.

ymnbde
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ymnbde 08/12/14 - 10:17 am
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bod it's downright disgusting

when people continue to ignore reality
and if you continue to support and vote for democrats
you are a part of the problem of not educating black kids
and that is a component of almost every problem in this country
almost every post you make, but especially today, is starting with a flawed thesis and cherrypicking data to back that flawed assertion
it is, as you said, disgusting

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RMSHEFF 08/12/14 - 10:18 am
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BOD

Were you aware that when these FBI stats are compiled, whites and hispanics are counted as the same race when reporting perpetrators of violent crimes but counted separate as separate groups when they are the victims.

Bodhisattva
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Bodhisattva 08/12/14 - 10:35 am
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Biz-That I can agree on, but
Unpublished

Biz-That I can agree on, but race isn't the factor, it's socio-economic factors. If you reversed the races in the socio-economic categories, you'd see the same thing in reverse. The President IS trying to improve the situation. Raising the minimum wage would help immensely, and had it kept up with productivity and inflation, along with everyone else's wages we wouldnt be in quite the state we're in now. I place the blame on the unpatriotic corporations we have in this country. They're the ones that sent the jobs overseas. It's not like they were struggling to make profits, they just wanted more, and more, and more, profits, and they for danged sure aren't passing much of it down to the workers. Most are making record profits, paying the lowest taxes they've ever paid (last year the GAO did a study, using the last year's numbers avaiable, 2010, and found that all large profitable corporations in the US paid an effective tax rate of 12.6%. When state, local, AND foreign taxes were added, they paid an effective rate of 17%. When non-profitable corporations were added it increased for federal, state, local, AND foreign taxes to 22.7%). That's not exactly overtaxed. If the only jobs you're going to leave in our country are service jobs then, by God, you have to start paying people with servic jobs a living wage to lift them out of poverty. Everyone can't go to school to do something else, and most of the jobs available are in the service industry. In 1968, the minimum wage was $1.60. Adjusted for inflation, that's $10.96 today. Last year, around 28 million people earned less than that (actually, less than $10.71 last year's inflation adjusted number). That's about 22% of the workforce. 62% earn less than $20 an hour, of course that could mean they earn $11.00. That's almost a third of our nation not exactly making decent wages.

Bodhisattva
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Bodhisattva 08/12/14 - 10:42 am
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http://ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/pop
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http://ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/population/qa01103.asp?qaDate=2012

So it's Hispanics that are commiting the crimes? I get your drift.

myfather15
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myfather15 08/12/14 - 12:01 pm
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Where was the outrage and

Where was the outrage and protests, when three "bored" teen minorities, shot and killed a caucasian, Australian baseball player; while he jogged down the street??

Where were the calls of racism?? Where were the calls for justice from the civil rights/race baiters?

myfather15
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myfather15 08/12/14 - 12:05 pm
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The riots and looting has

The riots and looting has absolutely nothing to do with the protest. The rioters and looters are just criminals who see an opportunity to steal stuff and cause damage!! Numerous businesses that have been damaged are reported to be owned by black families. Trying to make a statement about racism? Yeah, that makes sense!!

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dahreese 08/12/14 - 12:05 pm
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"Why does a 55% white
Unpublished

"Why does a 55% white juvenile population commit 62.3% of the forcible rape? 72.9% of the arson? 69.7% of the sex offenses? 91.6% of the DUI's? 69.7 of the offenses against the family and children? Because race doesn't have a danged thing to do with it, that's why, and we know just exacty what kind of person brings it up and thinks it does."

Right-wing editorials are manipulative that way and the already misinformed are easy targets.

Just look at the comments above.

Not a lot to work with....

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