They go with the territory

Every nation has borders - and for good reasons

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Contrary to the way some spin it, it’s not racist or elitist for a country to have borders. Borders are inherent in even having a country. It goes with the territory.

Demonstrators for the National Day of Protesting Against Immigration Reform Amnesty & Border Surge, showcase American Flags and signs on the Main Street bridge at Interstate 15 in Hesperia, Calif, on Saturday, July 19, 2014. (AP Photo/The Victor Valley Daily Press, David Pardo)  David Pardo
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Demonstrators for the National Day of Protesting Against Immigration Reform Amnesty & Border Surge, showcase American Flags and signs on the Main Street bridge at Interstate 15 in Hesperia, Calif, on Saturday, July 19, 2014. (AP Photo/The Victor Valley Daily Press, David Pardo)

In fact, every country that we know of has them. Most control their borders better than we do, and most are far less accommodating to those who enter their countries through illegal channels.

Policing a nation’s boundaries is the most fundamental mission of a government. Why? Well, in the case of free countries, it’s in order to protect the right of the citizens within to create the kind of country they want.

A country is like a home, and the people who live there get to decide who gets invited in.

Every country has its own laws and its own customs,
traditions and culture. Any self-respecting nation would do at least the minimum to protect and preserve those laws, customs, traditions and culture.

It’s not at all mean to do it. It’s self-preservation and, again, self-respect. Nor is it mean or hateful to expect others to respect those borders, laws, customs, traditions and culture.

Neither is it xenophobic (hateful of foreigners) – which is the usual slur used to promote unfettered migration and open borders.

Fact is, respecting national borders is the opposite of
xenophobic; it’s the only way to ensure that the French stay French, the German stay German and so on.

Vive la différence! Variety is the spice of life, and our
national cultural differences are delicious.

Foreign cultures – the language, the foods, the music, the traditions – are worth protecting. Your own is worth protecting too. And the only way to protect them is through limited, legal migration that allows for assimilation.

Nor is it compassionate to allow or even encourage and reward mass illegal immigration. It’s dangerous and often fatal to the immigrants, hazardous for host nations and sadly
debilitating for those émigrés who fail to learn their new cultures and languages. It’s also quite corrosive to the rule of law.

Every country has borders. And there’s every reason for it.

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gaflyboy
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gaflyboy 07/28/14 - 12:19 am
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John Lennon wrote "Imagine" ...

in which he proposed "Imagine there's no countries".

When I was younger, I loved that song. Then one day, I imagined all the things he put forth. Pretty scary. It would not be the Utopia that John lyrically sang of.

Good article ACES!

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Riverman1 07/28/14 - 03:56 am
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Common Sense Worthy of Thomas Paine

It's common sense observations such as this editorial that make liberals pout and want to mess up the Monopoly board.

carcraft
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carcraft 07/28/14 - 04:37 am
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Many liberals whined in

Many liberals whined in yesterdays editorial that there were no well paying jobs to get out of poverty. Then they want millions of more poorly educated not culturally literate people into the country to keep low paying jobs low. Many of these people, while poor are hard workers and are forced (because of lack of legal protection) to take jobs at less than minimium wage keeping wages low. The chamber of commerce loves this garbage.

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deestafford 07/28/14 - 06:19 am
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I think the vast majority of those who are...

I think the vast majority of those who are pushing for unfettered immigration down deep, and not so deep in some, dislike or downright hate, what America stands for, our history and our culture.

Listen and look how many say with glee that in year such-and-such America will no longer be a predominately white country. They seem to await with bated breath when we are completely diverse and no longer what we were.

No one ever asks the liberals how many people out of the six billion in the world should come here. Even some conservative such as George Will are not unset by what's happening with the recent invasion as indicated on yesterday's "Fox News Sunday" when he said with the number of counties in the United States, it would mean each country would have to take 20 and we can absorbed that with no problem.

There is this other canard that is used by the pro-immigrant supporters of both parties that these immigrants contribute to the betterment of America. The vast majority from the Third World countries to our South are a drain on the US because they don't assimilate like previous waves and have no desire to become Americans. They are uneducated, don't speak English, nor Spanish in some cases, and live off our overly generous welfare system.

America is ceasing to remain the culture that freed and fed more of the world than any country in history. When a country losing control of its borders, it loses control of its country and eventually falls into the dust bin of history with the others who went down the same path.

seenitB4
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seenitB4 07/28/14 - 06:39 am
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3rd world country

We have a choice right now....we can continue to be a great country OR, become another 3rd world country...we can't have both.

If this continues at the rate we see today....people will be leaving in droves....we can't be santa claus to the world....all of that sounds good, just like the song.

Many countries in Europe have built up their borders, they see the devastating results of too many illegals.

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hoptoad 07/28/14 - 07:05 am
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There is nothing wrong with

There is nothing wrong with people of other cultures continuing to cling to those cultures in their own home or church.

What is wrong is when these same people, along with the government's directives, want our country to change to accommodate their cultures. Which usually means giving up some of our habitudes.

If these people are not happy living the American way of life, go back where you came from.

hoptoad
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hoptoad 07/28/14 - 07:19 am
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Who is this Commander of

Who is this Commander of Ineptitude going to blame when many of these illegals end up being terrorists, who are learning Spanish to gain access to the U.S., blow up some of our cities?

Islamists have threatened to annilhilate us. What is it about that the liberals can't understand?

Maybe some of these borderless zealots will finally figure out why there should be borders and strict control of those borders.

Since Mr. Bush conjured up Hurricane Katrina, I guess it's possible he could be blamed when terrorists blow us up.

myfather15
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myfather15 07/28/14 - 07:34 am
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In my opinion.....

This Countries process (if followed) is a direct representations of God's way!!

This Country does believe "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free" and so does God!! He wants ALL THOSE, who yearn to breathe free; but there ARE stipulations and regulations!! YOU, must seek HIM; not the other way around!! You must come to Him, the righteous way and accept HIM!!

As it is with Him, so it is with this Country!! Come to us, and enjoy the freedom that God has provided us!! But, leave YOUR traditions behind!! You don't come here, trying to change us; just as you don't seek God, trying to change Him!! That is NOT going to work!! If you want more freedom and less oppression, then seek it!! Seek Him and come to us legally and enjoy the blessing that we receive!! You don't try to destroy our system, as you don't try to destroy His!!

The Bible is a beautiful story of God's people, but also a lesson of how God's people rebelled, over and over; until they received correction!! God's chosen people were indeed Israel (who I believe we are, through the centuries of migration, at God's guidance). But God also sent out disciples, such as Paul to talk to and teach the gentiles (also translated nations) that once they accepted Him, they are adopted into His Children!! Then, they are no less His children, than anyone else!! Just as a person who righteously (legally) comes to this Country, is no less a citizen than myself or anyone else born here!! To refuse THESE people, who do it righteously, is not Godly, in my opinion!!

God doesn't refuse someone who seeks Him righteously, and we should never refuse anyone who seeks our freedom righteously!! But those who cheat and deceive to obtain the benefits, without having to be accountable, should NOT be welcomed!!

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jimmymac 07/28/14 - 10:51 am
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Great editorial that pin points the problems of our current open border policy by Obama and endorsed by liberals.

allhans
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allhans 07/28/14 - 12:18 pm
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And...Obey the laws of man.

And...Obey the laws of man.

corgimom
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corgimom 07/28/14 - 03:32 pm
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What about the Americans who

What about the Americans who are terrorists?

Like Timothy McVeigh and his buddies, et al?

Why isn't anybody worried about them?

My uncle was one of those militia wackaloons, and he "let" me hear some of the tapes that they made.

People should be afraid, very afraid, of those nutjobs. I am. Forget about the illegals, worry about the Americans.

Remember the Nubians?

corgimom
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corgimom 07/28/14 - 03:33 pm
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Hey hoptoad, do you remember

Hey hoptoad, do you remember when Katrina hit, some of the "preachers" said that it was because the people of New Orleans were wicked?

Pond Life
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Pond Life 07/28/14 - 03:45 pm
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Well....McVeigh is dead, his
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Well....McVeigh is dead, his accomplice is in a supermax prison. Care to name some more that I should worry about? There are hundreds of thousands of muslim terrorrists to worry about; can you name 10 American terrorists we should worry about?

Pond Life
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Pond Life 07/28/14 - 03:57 pm
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I hate that McVeigh was
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I hate that McVeigh was excecuted....Fleetwood Mac won't be the same without him.

myfather15
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myfather15 07/29/14 - 04:08 am
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Got any other evidence of

Got any other evidence of these domestic terrorists, besides Timothy McVeigh? One major event from a radical domestic terrorist group and they just keep bringing it up, as if we should all tremble in our shoes!! When mentioning these domestic terrorists; why is it ALWAYS Timothy McVeigh; who the left WRONGFULLY tries to link to radical Christianity?? Timothy McVeigh himself, said he WAS raised in a Church but "Never connected with religion".

When talking about domestic terrorism; why do groups like the "Weather Underground" always get overlooked by the left? This is a group who openly stated they wanted to kill 25 million Americans!! They bombed numerous places and killed many during the radical 60's and 70's!! Corgi, you're always saying "myfather, you weren't even alive then, I was and remember that." Did you conveniently forget about this terrorist group?? A group whose main leader (William Ayers) was friends with our current president? A man, who to this day says "We didn't do enough!! We should have done much more!!" Ayers is an unrepentant terrorist, but the left LOVES to overlook him, when mentioning "domestic terrorists". Yeah, Yeah, Yeah; it's always those mean evil radical Christians we've got to watch!! Right??

Yes, there are radical groups and many live right here amoung us!! The most common group today is called the "Sovereign Citizens" and many members are living right here in the CSRA!! The feds also have the vast majority of them (if not all) under surveillance!! This group HAS planned actions against police departments and other government agencies, but no against common citizenry!!

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specsta 07/28/14 - 04:35 pm
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Border Hysteria

There are some countries in the world (26 countries under the Schengen Agreement) that freely allow citizens of other countries to cross their borders. No two-story walls, no armed militia, no guns drawn on sight.

And guess what? These countries retain their identity and culture. They treat people who cross their borders as human beings, not criminals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area

Pond Life
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Pond Life 07/28/14 - 04:38 pm
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And you don't live there
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And you don't live there because??????????????

Amazing how many people risk their lives to come to such a horrible place as this.

carcraft
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carcraft 07/28/14 - 04:37 pm
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Yeh Corgimom, tell that to

Yeh Corgimom, tell that to the two young girls who were gang raped by a group of illegals and then killed. One of the girls actually got away but went back to try help her friend was raped some more and eventually killed. FROM THE L A TIMES. 95% of warrents for murderer are illegal aliens. 75% of people on most wanted list are illegal aliens. 2/3 of births in Low Angeles county are done on medic Cal and were paid for by tax payers. 1/2 of all gang members in Low Angles illegally here. Each day 12 individuals are killed by illegals. Another 13 Americans are killed each day by illegal drunk driving illegals. Go to http:immigrationcounters.com/ 8 children a day are sexually abused by illegals. 130,000 sex crimes a year are committed by illegal aliens. Timothy Mcveigh killed 168 people and injured 600 more. Tell me again how safe illegals are!

jomojo
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jomojo 07/28/14 - 06:24 pm
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carcraft - You Don't Quote Facts

You are using figures that were not published by the Los Angeles Times. See the 2008 post by LA Times in their own online edition titled "Immigration statistics linked to Los Angeles Time are a hoax" at

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/laplaza/2008/07/immigration-sta.html

Similar falsehoods and leaps of logic can also be found on the immigrationcounters website by simply looking at the reference material that they link to on their own website.

I find it most un-American to find collective guilt and collective punishment of a group of people because of the actions of a few. Not all white Americans are terrorist or criminals just because some of them are. Not all Latinos are criminals either, nor are all Muslims terrorists. Debate about the relative merits and demerits of immigration policy and the current situation should be based on facts.

gaflyboy
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gaflyboy 07/28/14 - 06:56 pm
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specsta, are you serious?

This is the EU and select states. They want to emulate the "states" here in the US, where travel "without borders" is allowed.

IF you would take a moment to read the link the you posted, it clearly states: "Countries in the Schengen Area have eliminated internal border controls with the other Schengen members, and strengthened external border controls with non-Schengen states."

jomojo
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jomojo 07/28/14 - 08:15 pm
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National Identity In Europe

The Schengen countries include most of the EU plus some other countries. Residents of Schengen nations are allowed to travel with valid passports between member states but don't need visas. Residents of the EU are allowed to work in any other EU country (except for people from some newer member states) without special permits.

In other words, the EU and the Schengen area are collections of individual nation-states whose residents have the right to travel or work in other member states without special permission and without any immigration or border controls between them. Despite this free movement of people across national borders, nations have not lost any of their national identity or culture - Greece is as different as ever from Germany and nobody will suddenly mistake Spain for Belgium. All these different people, cultures and languages rub along just fine with the free movement of people across national borders. It does not dilute a nation's character or culture but simply adds a new facet.

carcraft
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carcraft 07/28/14 - 09:05 pm
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There is not equivalence

There is not equivalence between Latin American countries and America. A more equivalent comparison would be north Africa and Europe. The closest we come to what exists in Europe would be an open border with Canada. It is interesting Mexico doesn't seem interested in working with America on open borders. Look what has happened to the Marine who made a wrong turn. Not all illegals are criminals but gangs are using the current open border process to beef up gangs. Illegals cost California billions of dollars a year. $10.5 BILLION to be exact. Sorry about getting a Bad source. From the Urban Institute in 1995 11% of sentanced inmates were illegals. In Florida the most common offense aliens were convicted of was murder.

carcraft
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carcraft 07/28/14 - 09:20 pm
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One other point.Mexico has no

One other point.Mexico has no problem enforcing it's laws. Why should America abandon it's laws? If you think open borders is OK pass laws to make it so with the consent of the people!

jomojo
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jomojo 07/28/14 - 11:39 pm
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More Faulty Data

The $10.5 billion cost to California for illegal immigrants comes from a study by the anti-immigrant Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR). Here is an article in the San Diego Union-Tribune that points out the numerous errors in the FAIR report:

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2004/Dec/06/cost-of-illegal-immigration-i...

The 11 percent figure you quote is actually from a 2000 report by the Urban Institute that says in 1995 ONLY, 11 percent of everyone sentenced IN FEDERAL DISTRICT COURT ONLY were illegal immigrants. This is way, way different than saying that 11 percent of sentenced inmates are illegal aliens, and it says nothing about 2014 statistics, 19 years later.

http://www.urban.org/publications/410366.html

My point about the EU and the Schengen Area is that claims here in the US that somehow something fundamental about the culture of a country changes just because people from different countries and different cultures are allowed to move freely across borders simply is not the case. Indeed, except for Native Americans, everything about US culture is the result of what our immigrant ancestors brought with them to this country. I don't see why it would be any different or somehow detrimental for more recent Latino culture to make its contribution.

I'm not sure what you're referring to about a Marine who took a wrong turn but I emphasize again that finding an entire nation or culture guilty based on the actions of a few is a collective guilt that is fundamentally un-American.

Can you please provide the source of your information about beefing up gangs and the murder convictions of aliens in Florida?

And one other point: Mexico has huge problems enforcing their own laws, especially along the border, as the many incidents of murder, torture, decapitation, etc., over the last few years makes evident.

jomojo
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jomojo 07/29/14 - 12:12 am
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Florida Convictions

From the March, 2011 Government Accountability Office Report GAO-11-187:

"The highest percentage of convictions for criminal aliens incarcerated in four of these states (Arizona, California, Florida, Texas) was for drug related offenses"

Not good, but not murder, and it does not mean that every illegal immigrant is a drug offender.

myfather15
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myfather15 07/29/14 - 04:16 am
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Hhhhmmmmm

Last time I checked, there aren't groups with MILLIONS of members, claiming to want to destroy Greece, Spain or Belguim!!

Actually, these Countries very freedom has been supplied by the United States; or they would be under Nazi Communist rule!! And this is the exact reason the radical terrorists hate our guts and want us destroyed, right behind Israel!!

You can call for open borders all you want, but that doesn't make it smart!!

jomojo
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jomojo 07/29/14 - 04:34 am
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Which Millions?

I'm not sure I understand you. There are indeed radical terrorists that hate our guts and want us destroyed - we definitely want to keep them out. Are these the millions you're referring to?

I am calling for open borders - eventually, some day, but not now. What I am saying is that arguments that immigrants - including children fleeing for humanitarian reasons - will somehow destroy our country or our culture are bogus. Free movement of people across national borders does not destroy national identities, languages or cultures, and especially not in the polyglot, melting pot United States.

carcraft
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carcraft 07/29/14 - 04:38 am
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Oh goodie, it is $9 billion

Oh goodie, it is $9 billion instead of of $10.5 billion. Mear chump change in a state going broke having trouble looking after it's own citizens. I know that not all illegals are drug traffickers, drug dealers etc but the states and federal governments spend a lot of time and money dealing with it. Illegal aliens are so common the Obama administration has released thousands back into the American public. Thank you for correcting my statistics.

Pond Life
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Pond Life 07/29/14 - 04:46 am
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momojo...why do you keep
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momojo...why do you keep wrongfully referring to various groups as "anti-immigration?" They are anti-ILLEGAL immigration. Huge difference.

Pond Life
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Pond Life 07/29/14 - 04:47 am
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momojo...Are you also for
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momojo...Are you also for open borders at your house?

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