In praise of life

Texas court decision should be hailed by pro-choice crowd

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An Associated Press story in The Chronicle recently quoted two different critics of a federal court of appeals ruling upholding the Texas abortion law. The story offered no quotes of praise from the decision’s many backers.

OK. We’ll do it.

We’ll start with the two words that ought to – but won’t – unify pro-choice and pro-life advocates: Kermit Gosnell.

If you’ve never heard that name, there’s a good reason: Although he’s arguably the Josef Mengele of the abortion industry – and his name, face and criminal case should be a cause célèbre in the effort to keep women and children safe – the left-wing media and their adherents bizarrely want his case swept under a bloody rug.

In a Philadelphia office that was more akin to a slaughterhouse than a “clinic,” Gosnell was charged with eight counts of murder for the deaths of one patient and seven babies born alive that his clinic then killed. He also performed untold illegal late-term abortions in his filthy, Godforsaken butcher’s office. He is serving life in prison.

Can you say infanticide?

Yet the radical, abortion-at-any-cost crowd – which the media do their best to portray as mainstream – want you to think that abortion is over-regulated.

It’s largely the same crowd that wants to regulate guns out of existence. Now, think about that: They want to regulate guns, the right to which is enshrined explicitly in the Constitution, but they fight tooth-and-nail against any restrictions on abortion, which is not.

You would think supposed women’s advocates would be the first to try to save women from a butcher’s knife. Isn’t the likes of Gosnell the very coat hanger that pro-choicers like to hold over our heads?

It gets worse.

A judge in Texas actually had ruled earlier that the Texas law requiring abortionists to have hospital admitting privileges – as well as placing limits on the prescription of abortion-inducing pills – served no medical purpose.

Really? Making sure that an abortionist could admit a patient to a hospital has no medical purpose? That’s just intellectual fiction, dressed neatly in a black robe. What a crock.

Pro-abortion zealots argue the Texas law is aimed at reducing the number of abortions. Well, duh! Absolutely! Abortion foes need not apologize for standing between a baby and a blade.

Fact is, pro-choicers – if they could drop their dogmatic, unquestioning, 24/7 devotion to abortion – should join the rest of us in finding ways to reduce the number of abortions in this country, while making them safer. It should be a common goal. It is, after all, the left’s desire to be called “pro-choice” and not “pro-abortion.” Right? If you’re not actually for abortions, then what the heck is wrong with trying to limit them and the damage they do to both children and women?

In a rare cogent media moment, ABC-TV’s Terry Moran managed to conclude that Kermit Gosnell was “probably the most successful serial killer in the history of the world.”

And yet, his name is hardly ever spoken? And such people need no regulations?

There’s no question under the sun that setting higher standards for abortionists – such as requiring they have the gravitas to admit patients to a hospital – makes women safer and perhaps will even save lives.

It also might have prevented the Josef Mengele of abortion from bloodying so many.

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Butterman
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Butterman 04/02/14 - 12:57 am
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Here we go again
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Here we go again. Drinking game idea. Take a drink every time an abortion editorial or LTE appears in The Chronicle.

carcraft
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carcraft 04/02/14 - 05:43 am
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I am glad the mothers of

I am glad the mothers of those that are pro abortion didn't decide to have an abortion! Really would have been cute to watch them swim around in a toilet while "the good " Dr Gosnell tried to cut their spinal cord with a pair of scissors.

carcraft
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carcraft 04/02/14 - 05:47 am
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Gee, it is just so humane to

Gee, it is just so humane to stick a large needle into a baby's head and suck it's brains out as it comes down the birth cannel. Gee maybe we could make a drinking game out of that, hoist a beer as the pons travels down the suction tube. First one done gets to check the contents of the collection canister for as many identifiable pieces of brain as possible. The person with the highest number of recognizable parts gets an extra beer!

Pond Life
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Pond Life 04/02/14 - 06:06 am
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Butterman, you would get
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Butterman, you would get quite intoxicated if you took a drink every time someone disregarded human life and used abortion as a method of birth control.

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deestafford 04/02/14 - 06:15 am
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Excellent editorial...

Excellent editorial. Not only did hundreds of babies die at the hands of this monster, several women did also.

The Philadelphia health department will close down a lemonade stand but this butchery went on for years with no inspection. What's also sad is the media is not up in arms with the number of black children murdered there as a symptom of the morass the black culture has become with so many hundreds of its children slaughtered over the years. Yet, they tear the country apart when a young black thug is killed in self defense in Florida.

In NYC over half of the abortions are done on black children. We really have a sickness in this country when this legalized murder is accepted so readily.

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Bodhisattva 04/02/14 - 06:47 am
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Kermit Gosnell?
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A guy who broke the law? Care to list anyone who broke the law and abused guns? What? Surely the Chronicle didn't have any trouble finding any examples? As usual, the Chronicle fails to tell the whole truth. Doctors at clinics must have admitting privileges at hospitals within 30 miles of the clinic. If I remember correctly, the Aiken hospital performed heart caths without open heart surgery backup. Where was the outrage? Why not the same rules for liposuction and any other clinic? Because it has nothing to do with health, it's a total political attack. Where does it say there should be no regulations on guns? It actually says, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State". Therefore, every gun owner should be required to be regulated and part of the militia. It would make our country safer and save lives. Kermit Gosnell is behind bars with no chance of parole. When you get every lunatic with a gun in the same place, let us know.

ymnbde
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ymnbde 04/02/14 - 07:22 am
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a bucket fullO'fetus

a pound of flesh is the tax paid to support the liberal O'genda
it has mass, it takes up space, it has a future
it has an individual identity it has its own dna
yet it has no rights?
it is what each of us once were
it is part of the real war on women
because worldwide, far more little girls are thrown into the bucket
than little boys... but it's their "choice" after all, isn't it?
it is part of the real war on African Americans
because in most big cities, far more black children are thrown into the bucket than white children...
but it's their "choice" after all, isn't it?
they won't let a poor black child choose her own school
but they will take their tax in flesh, and call it "choice"
these polluters of the social environment
spew more than just a surface stench
they are rotten to their very core
to their very common core

Pond Life
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Pond Life 04/02/14 - 07:35 am
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Bod wrote: "A guy who broke
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Bod wrote:

"A guy who broke the law? Care to list anyone who broke the law and abused guns? What? Surely the Chronicle didn't have any trouble finding any examples? As usual, the Chronicle fails to tell the whole truth."

So since the AC didn't talk about someone breaking gun laws, they didn't tell the whole story? Has it occurred to you that gun laws have absolutely nothing to do with the story at hand? Of course it hasn't, because to you and liberals like you, you feel the need to point everywhere in the world except to yourself in order to rationalize poor behavior. You belong to the party of zero personal responsibility. Enjoy your stay there.

You also posted "If I remember correctly, the Aiken hospital performed heart caths without open heart surgery backup."

Where's your proof of this? Surely you aren't engaging in "yellow journalism" by simply throwing out unfounded accusations?

Pond Life
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Pond Life 04/02/14 - 07:37 am
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bod.... you accuse the AC of
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bod.... you accuse the AC of not telling the whole story, yet when you attempt to quote the 2nd amendment you only posted "Where does it say there should be no regulations on guns? It actually says, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State"."

You completely left off the statement "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Talk about hypocrisy. Why didn't YOU tell the whole story? I'm overwhelmed by the irony. And I don't expect you to answer any of these questions, given your hit and run past.

grouse
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grouse 04/02/14 - 08:19 am
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Carcraft: so you're saying it
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Carcraft: so you're saying it would have been ok for Gosnell to have been aborted?

lovingthesouth72
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lovingthesouth72 04/02/14 - 08:47 am
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In women's best interest

There are hundreds of thousands of women carrying the scar of abortion: psychologically and physically. They have higher risk of depression and suicide, as well as higher risk of infertility and breast cancer. Abortions hurt women and kill a life. Less is better.

SB3
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SB3 04/02/14 - 09:18 am
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You can't spell Bodhisattva,

Without B.S.

:innocent look:

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 04/02/14 - 10:08 am
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PL @ 6:06

"Butterman, you would get quite intoxicated if you took a drink every time someone disregarded human life and used abortion as a method of birth control"

I would go so far as to predict alcohol poisoning! Talking about self killing! I do not agree with abortion being used as a form of "birth control", BUT I see NOTHING wrong with the morning after pill or a pregnentcy termination before 4 weeks.

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 04/02/14 - 10:16 am
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Bodhisattva @ 6:47

"It actually says, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State". Therefore, every gun owner should be required to be regulated and part of the militia"

GOT YOU WITH THIS ARGUEMENT!

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 04/02/14 - 10:24 am
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PL @ 7:37

"You completely left off the statement "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"

I STAND CORRECTED, as usual! Bodhisattva, I believe the conservatives have got you on this one!!

ultrarnr
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ultrarnr 04/02/14 - 10:31 am
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A Refresher
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Just in case you missed abortion is a Constitutionally guaranteed right as in Row v Wade

corgimom
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corgimom 04/02/14 - 10:37 am
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For all of you who think that

For all of you who think that women use abortion as a form of birth control- how many people do you personally know that have ever done that?

I don't know of any, do you?

Anybody that would use a surgical procedure for birth control has psychological issues, nobody in their right mind would do that.

As for the "hundreds of thousands of women that carry the scar of abortion"- the idea that they have higher rates of depression and suicide is a myth, along with the myth of infertility issues and breast cancer. It is sad that people want to perpetuate those lies.

When you consider the huge number of women that had abortions, if it had harmful effects, it would be clear by now.

Do people regret having an abortion? Some do, some don't, just like some people regret a divorce. If people want to kill themselves because they had an abortion, that suggests to me that their problem is mental health issues, not that they had an abortion.

Abortion wasn't mentioned in the Constitution because it was legal, and people don't want to accept that.

Kermit Gosnell is a greedy, evil human being. However, he is not the first by any means to take advantage of desperate women. What he did was common back in the days before Roe v Wade; in fact, that's one of the purposes that Roe v Wade did, is to make abortion safe and take it out of the hands of people that performed abortions on kitchen tables with knitting needles and coat hangers, and made lots of money. The abortion regulations were already in place, he just ignored them, and the City of Philadelphia allowed him to.

Take a look at the Augusta VA, and how the scopes weren't sterilized properly. Does that mean that every hospital that performs scopes should be condemned, because one hospital didn't perform their duty?

I don't know of anybody "devoted" to abortions, and I don't know of any pro-choice person that doesn't advocate reducing the number of abortions by reducing the number of unplanned pregnancies.

As to the Texas law, it's true, the idea that a doctor has to have admission privileges to a hospital doesn't have any medical merit. What does that have to do with having an abortion, which is nothing more than outpatient surgery? I've known many doctors that only have privileges at certain hospitals but not others, and some that don't have them at all. That means nothing except they can't treat their patients in a hospital, if their patient needs hospitalization, a doctor on staff would treat them.

corgimom
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corgimom 04/02/14 - 10:43 am
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In a rare cogent media

In a rare cogent media moment, ABC-TV’s Terry Moran managed to conclude that Kermit Gosnell was “probably the most successful serial killer in the history of the world.”

Oh, he surpassed Hitler and Goering? Now THAT"S a new one on me!

What a ridiculous thing to say.

People can, and will, say anything, but that doesn't mean that it's true.

Pond Life
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Pond Life 04/02/14 - 10:47 am
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"For all of you who think
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"For all of you who think that women use abortion as a form of birth control- how many people do you personally know that have ever done that?"

My hand is raised. I have known 2 personally, who stated that it was the reason. But you are right. no one in their right mind would do that. And just because you don't know the people certainly does not make it true.

Butterman
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Butterman 04/02/14 - 02:50 pm
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What's up for tomorrow?
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How homosexuality is an abominable sin or how the Earth is less than 9,000 years old and dinosaurs are a lie concocted by Satan?

Pond Life
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Pond Life 04/02/14 - 03:07 pm
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Butterman, your equating the
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Butterman, your equating the killing of humans to homosexuality, etc is unbecoming of an adult. Thanks for contributing NOTHING to the discussion.....either pro or con.

corgimom
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corgimom 04/02/14 - 04:02 pm
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Butterman, probably.

Butterman, probably.

corgimom
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corgimom 04/02/14 - 04:04 pm
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Pond Life, if you personally

Pond Life, if you personally know 2 women that used abortion as birth control, all I can say is that you should pick better friends.

I don't know anybody that has done that, because I don't associate with people that would do that.

I associate with people that have common sense and that make good decisions.

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stuaby 04/02/14 - 04:24 pm
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"For all of you who think

"For all of you who think that women use abortion as a form of birth control- how many people do you personally know that have ever done that?"

????

Why does whether we know anyone personally matter? Every woman who's had an abortion has practiced birth control!

"John, I'm pregnant." she says.
"So what, your problem," he says, "Thanks for the sex, btw."
"Dammit! I can't do this." she thinks. "I'm off to stop (control/eliminate) this upcoming birth!"

How's this not birth control?

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OJP 04/02/14 - 04:26 pm
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10th Amendment

So are conservatives/Republicans now abandoning the 10th Amendment?

"... but they fight tooth-and-nail against any restrictions on abortion, which is not."

corgimom
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corgimom 04/02/14 - 04:34 pm
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stuaby, using abortion as

stuaby, using abortion as birth control is used to refer to people who consciously don't practice other forms of birth control, and that use abortion as their method of birth control.

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burninater 04/02/14 - 05:44 pm
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"You completely left off the

"You completely left off the statement "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"

I STAND CORRECTED, as usual! Bodhisattva, I believe the conservatives have got you on this one!!
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Not so fast, T3.

The right asserted is of "the people". Not of "a person". Amendments V and VI, for example, specify that those rights are specifically held by individuals -- "a person", or "an accused".

In actuality, the Constitution seems to specify that the Second Amendment is a group right, by specifying the right exists within the context of "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State". In that context, "the right OF THE PEOPLE (not A PERSON) to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" does not appear to be an individual right NECESSARILY.

The Supreme Court has ruled it does constitute an individual right, so that is the current law of the land. HOWEVER, the Constitution does not explicitly define it as an individual right, so those who claim an individual right is GUARANTEED by the Constitution are incorrect. It simply has been interpreted as an individual right by the court at this time -- and nothing in the Constitution as it stands would prevent a future court from judging it to be a collective right "of the people" -- which is how it is explicitly defined.

burninater
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burninater 04/02/14 - 05:50 pm
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Also T3, I caution you not to

Also T3, I caution you not to assume this is a liberal vs conservative issue -- it's more of a fringe left and fringe right issue.

On the far left, you have leftist radicals and anarchists that are as eager to see no regulation of the individual right to bear arms as those on the far right.

Regulation of the individual right is primarily a moderate/centrist view, with varying opinions on how rigidly the individual right should be regulated.

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stuaby 04/02/14 - 06:01 pm
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"stuaby, using abortion as

"stuaby, using abortion as birth control is used to refer to people who consciously don't practice other forms of birth control, and that use abortion as their method of birth control."

That is a nuance and is not worthy of note.

Of course no one would use a grisly, expensive procedure such as this as primary birth control. It is a secondary or tertiary line of defense used for the same end.

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Bizkit 04/02/14 - 06:35 pm
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SCOTUS ruled the right to

SCOTUS ruled the right to arms is an individual right, and they ruled abortions legal but can be regulated by States.
Abortion would technically be murder, if not for the fact it is legal.
"Murder is the unlawful killing, with malice aforethought, of another human, and generally this premeditated state of mind distinguishes murder from other forms of unlawful homicide (such as manslaughter)."
So is it premeditated with malice cause you want a human dead-but it ain't murder. Society has a strange attitude towards killing humans-it's hard to figure the rules when it's OK and your hero in one circumstance, or No it's bad and you go to jail or are executed in another-maybe people are confused. #I don't see why we have laws forbidding murder cause surely they aren't working-we have given up on the drug war-why bother with murder too. It's too big a problem so let it ride. LOL>

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