Keep standing your ground

South Carolina self-defense law doesn't need changing

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Does your natural, God-given right to defend yourself cease to exist once you go out into public?

Unfortunately, some South Carolina lawmakers think so.

Members of the Legislative Black Caucus are proposing to change the state’s “stand your ground” law to prohibit citizens from using deadly force to defend themselves against attackers while in public places.

Backers say some South Carolinians are abusing the law in its current form – too often using deadly force instead of walking away from a confrontation. State Rep. Gilda Cobb-Hunter, D-Orangeburg. said people are “very, very tired of seeing black and brown parents crying and praying over their dead sons.”

So are we. No parent should have to live through the death of a child.

But not even everyone in the Legislative Black Caucus agrees with changing the law. House Minority Leader Todd Rutherford, an attorney, has represented clients who used the “stand your ground” law in their defense.

He said he has yet to see a criminal set free under the current law.

“I believe (‘stand your ground’) is simply a codification of common sense,” said Rutherford, D-Columbia. “People should have a right to defend themselves.”

The proposed law change would not alter the way citizens defend themselves in their homes, vehicles or businesses.

So why change it at all?

Law-abiding citizens absolutely have the right to stand their ground, regardless of where they are. That is a natural right – a right the
government cannot rescind because it was never its to offer. Laws merely codify that natural right.

Is flight preferable to fight in many instances? Possibly. But you are under no natural obligation to do so. You shouldn’t be under any legal obligation, either. Nor should we codify second-guessing in the law.

Leave the law alone.

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oldredneckman96
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oldredneckman96 03/11/14 - 01:29 am
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Manners
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Parents have the right to teach their children manners no matter what race they may or may not be. An adult who talks to a child and has questions need not do so in fear of the child going ballistic. When you let a child act like a criminal, dress like a criminal and react like a criminal the adult has no other options but to defend their self. While protesting this law, which is grounded in the Constitution, everyone should think about the actions that triggered the shootings.

ymnbde
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ymnbde 03/11/14 - 04:59 am
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young black males are less than 3% of the population

and commit over 50% of violent crimes
and most of their victims have "...black and brown parents crying and praying over their dead sons."
THREE SCHOOLS IN RICHMOND COUNTY
HAD ZERO STUDENTS PASS THE AP EXAMS LAST YEAR!
hmmm... could 3%, 50%, and 0 somehow be related?
nah... the democrats would never allow that
would they?
yes, they would
yes, they do
to them, it's just collateral damage
and the reaping of what one has sown

Rhetor
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Rhetor 03/11/14 - 05:31 am
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Wrong

The Lord Jesus told us to turn the other cheek. The ACES, which has been known to quote the Bible, tells us instead that it's OK to blow the guy away.

localguy55
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localguy55 03/11/14 - 06:16 am
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Rhetor, you can stand there

Rhetor,

you can stand there and turn the other cheek as you are assaulted, beat, and possibly murdered, while your girlfriend or wife or daughter is raped. Not me, not ever.

I pity the fool that attempts to harm me or anyone accompanying me anywhere at anytime. There is this thing called carry conceal. It is for law abiding citizens for times when you must stand your ground against these human animals crawling the streets.

You don't want to admit this fact. Good for you. Become a statistic. I choose staying alive.

Long Live stand your ground.

Bodhisattva
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Bodhisattva 03/11/14 - 06:30 am
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Again, the Chronicle tells half the story and spins like a top

Rutherford? Yes he sure does represent people who use "Stand Your Ground" as a defense. He also gets them off. Even when they are irresponsible gun owners and shoot an innocent bystander. Yep, that's exactly what happened.

How the case unfolded:

A 15-year-old girl and five friends leave a nightclub just after midnight
They are pursued by four young women in an SUV.
They arrive home and tell her father, Shannon Scott, they’re in danger.
Shots are fired from the street. The friends run inside.
Armed with a gun, Shannon Scott goes to the front yard.
Scott fires several times.
Bystander Darrell Niles, 17, in a separate car, is killed.

So Rutherford gets a guy off using South Carolina's precious "Stand Your Ground" law. A guy who shoots a male in the head when his daughter felt threatened by an SUV full of females. THIS IS THE CASE THAT CAUSED THEM TO WANT TO CHANGE THE LAW.

The hero of the Chronicle's story, Rutherford, is looking out for his clients. To heck with the innocent people who get blown away by idiots with guns which,, at this point, is beginning to look ike most of them.

To fill in a few other details. Scott's daughter called him on her cell phone and told him she was scared. He had her and her friends go inside. THEY WERE SAFELY INSIDE THE HOUSE WHEN HE WENT OUTSIDE FIRING AWAY. It's just collateral damage. the Richland County Sheriff actually had the nerve to use that term. Thanks to idiotic laws like these, the NRA and ALEC, the Chronicle and others that push them, they're doing nothing but giving careless and irresponsible gun owners a license to kill. They're also giving those with grudges against others a free ride for murder. "I felt threatened." Three little words. an out for murder, for carelessness, for stupidity, for ignorance. The lawmakers and those that support and push these laws have just as much blood on their hands as those who pull the triggers. It'll never wash off.

localguy55
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localguy55 03/11/14 - 06:47 am
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Bod

What's a 15 year old girl doing at a nightclub after 12 a.m. in the morning?
What is she doing there at all ?
And the victim is 17.
Sounds like a lot of minors running the streets at an inappropriate time in places they shouldn't be in the first place.

Bod, glad you got the scoop on the case and I am sure you have ALL the facts straight.

Next time I need council, I'll search you out. . . . . . . when pigs fly. . . .

deestafford
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deestafford 03/11/14 - 06:58 am
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Yes, the law is a good one and the people who want...

Yes, the law is a good one and many of the people who want to keep it are those who have to use it for protection in their community---the black community because they live with the unruly thugs.

The head of the Border Patrol just did away a policy similar to stand your ground by telling the agents they cannot fire at a fleeing vehicle or people throwing rocks at them. For the liberals who don't read a Bible, rocks and stones can kill you---just ask Golliath.

Why are liberals always on the side of one wanting to do harm?

localguy55
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localguy55 03/11/14 - 07:12 am
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Deestafford

"Why are liberals always on the side of one wanting to do harm?"

Because they can only absorb a limited amount of useful information.

That's why they are referred to as low information people.

Pond Life
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Pond Life 03/11/14 - 07:20 am
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In Luke 22, Jesus tells his
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In Luke 22, Jesus tells his disciples to sell their cloaks and buy swords if they do not have any. Pretty sure those swords weren't for "cheek turning." Funny how non-believers always try to play "gotcha" with the Bible.

seenitB4
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seenitB4 03/11/14 - 07:23 am
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Oh Brother

If my life is in danger do you think I will care about a law..nahhhh

I wish we didn't need it BUT we do....

Pond Life
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Pond Life 03/11/14 - 07:33 am
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I would rather be judged by
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I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 03/11/14 - 07:34 am
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That is a pathetic attempt at

That is a pathetic attempt at an argument Bod. Who fired the shots at the house? So your daughter runs in the house with shots being fired-which means you-your wife-you children could have all been hit by stray bullets too. Seems firing back at someone firing at your house seems a reasonable act in such quick and dire circumstance. But somehow I don't think your depiction is accurate.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 03/11/14 - 07:36 am
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Nothing wrong with the NRA it

Nothing wrong with the NRA it supports a constitutional right. Next you'll be bashing the ACLU which supports a constitutional right.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 03/11/14 - 07:37 am
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Ideologues are so lost in

Ideologues are so lost in conspiracies and la-la land it is just frightening. They hate freedom and hate everybody from what I can tell. Angry elves bitter over their lack of wealth and success, and failures-which of course they have to blame on others.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 03/11/14 - 07:40 am
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Laws

You don't repeal a law just because of an unfortunate action. If we did that uniformly, we would have no laws left.

Hmmm, maybe that would be a good thing.

Red Headed Step Child
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Red Headed Step Child 03/11/14 - 08:42 am
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I look at the stand your

I look at the stand your ground laws like I do insurance policies - you hope you don't have to use them, but when you do, you're glad you have them.

I will always avoid a fight whenever possible - but there are times when that's not an option. I will defend myself and my family to the end if it comes to that. I'm curious if the naysayers regarding these laws would just "lie there and take it" should they ever find themselves in a situation where running away is not an option. I may end up being a victim at some point in my life - but I won't be a "helpless" victim, I can tell you that.

karradur
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karradur 03/11/14 - 08:43 am
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Stand your ground, white Christian conservative America!

You are under attack by Muslims, liberals, black people, gay people, poor people, young people... minorities of all kinds!

Wield your psychosexual ritual weapons against the torrent of genetic amalgamation!

Pond Life
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Pond Life 03/11/14 - 08:45 am
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Huh? Karradur, why the racist
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Huh? Karradur, why the racist nonsense? Was that really necessary?

Bizkit
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Bizkit 03/11/14 - 08:47 am
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Who is "you"? They are all

Who is "you"? They are all just americans, but anyone could attack you if motivated. Like your comment could be considered an attack against conservatives. I guess it's that psychosexual ritual weapons against the torrent of genetic amalgamation applies to others too.

karradur
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karradur 03/11/14 - 08:49 am
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@Pond Life

"Huh? Karradur, why the racist nonsense? Was that really necessary?"

Racist against...?

karradur
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karradur 03/11/14 - 08:51 am
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@Bizkit

"Who is "you"? [Muslims, liberals, black people, gay people, poor people, young people] are all just americans"

There are a lot of people that would unfortunately disagree with you.

seenitB4
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seenitB4 03/11/14 - 08:55 am
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Stand your ground, white Christian conservative America!

Don't worry we will....& that is why some are belly aching.

Pond Life
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Pond Life 03/11/14 - 08:56 am
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You know exactly what I mean.
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You know exactly what I mean. Your post was an attempt to be a hyperbole example against conservatives....unless your accoumt was hacked.

karradur
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karradur 03/11/14 - 08:57 am
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It's funny.

When a white person shoots another white person, as Charles Cummings shot Chad Oulson, it's bad. (Except to Damon Cline, who called Oulson and his three-year-old daughter "chowderheads" and inexplicably rationalized his murder.)

When a white person shoots a black person, it's "stand your ground, America!".

karradur
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karradur 03/11/14 - 08:59 am
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@Pond Life

"Your post was an attempt to be a hyperbole example against conservatives"

You are only mistaken in that it was not hyperbole.

Pond Life
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Pond Life 03/11/14 - 09:00 am
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More racist hyperbole.
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More racist hyperbole.

karradur
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karradur 03/11/14 - 09:02 am
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@Pond Life

"More racist hyperbole."

Oh yeah, because white Christian conservatives are REALLY suffering.

There is a world outside of Columbia County and Daddy's trust fund, you know.

Pond Life
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Pond Life 03/11/14 - 09:06 am
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Are the condescending
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Are the condescending comments required? Racist hyperbole and condescension? Is that really your argument?

karradur
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karradur 03/11/14 - 09:07 am
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@Pond Life

So I'm right on the money, then.

Pond Life
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Pond Life 03/11/14 - 09:07 am
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This topic has NOTHING to do
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This topic has NOTHING to do with race, and I challenge anyone to prove otherwise, without the use of anecdotal examples.

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