Undoing the damage

Program for minority boys is good; fixing root problems would be better

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Many of the “Great Society” programs of the 1960s inflicted profound damage on minority families.

Can a program introduced by President Obama help undo some of that damage?

Called My Brother’s Keeper, the largely private-sector-backed program aims to help black and Hispanic youth overcome challenges they face in childhood development, school readiness, educational opportunity, discipline, parenting and the criminal justice system.

Though details on the five-year initiative are scant, it will rely on a federal task force to marshal existing resources, along with $200 million worth of commitments from 20 of the nation’s largest philanthropic organizations.

The Annie E. Casey Foundation, Atlantic Philanthropies, the Ford Foundation, the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation and others will invest in proven programs that help young blacks and Hispanics stay out of trouble, succeed in school and land good jobs.

President Obama also spoke in unusually personal terms about his drug use as a teenager and his personal narrative about growing up without a father, stressing the importance of family cohesion.

“We can reform our criminal justice system to ensure that it’s not infected with bias. But nothing keeps a young man out of trouble like a father who takes an active role in his son’s life,” he said.

Amen.

Some may criticize the My Brother’s Keeper initiative for excluding minority girls and minority boys who are not black or Hispanic. But its narrow focus appears better equipped to reverse the damage done by ’60s domestic programs pushed by Democrats. Those initiatives decimated minority families and encouraged personal irresponsibility.

The government tried to sway struggling single parents into believing that a benefit check is a suitable substitute for a bread-winner who is committed to helping rear and love a child. You can’t put a price tag on a solid, nurturing family structure.

One in every 15 black men and one in every 36 Hispanic men in the United States are incarcerated. How many of them do you think came from happy family environments?

“The group that is facing some of the most severe challenges in 21st-century America is boys and young men of color,” the president said. “I believe the continuing struggles of so many boys and young men, the fact that too many of them are falling by the wayside, dropping out, unemployed, involved in negative behavior, going to jail ... this is a moral issue for our country.”

Turn that segment of society around, and it could have a tremendous impact on improving our nation.

While the intentions of My Brother’s Keeper seem good, here’s what would be even better: Direct more civic energy toward fixing the hurtful government programs that caused these problems in the first place.

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deestafford
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deestafford 03/07/14 - 01:00 am
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While this program appears to be good....

While this program appears to be good on the surface I think it is all for show. If Obama was serious about helping the black youths he would have done something like this in his first year or so in office.

He is doing this once again to try to divide the country. He even had Trevon Martin's parents there to highlight how a "white" man murdered an "innocent" black youth.

The news dogs of the left crowed about "how this is so personal with President Obama." Horse feathers! Obama has never had the "black experience" and he feels guilty about it and doing all he can to show he's "down for the struggle". He was reared a boy of privilege by white grandparents who sent him to the best private schools in Hawaii and then he went on to some of the best schools on the Mainland...even though we have no idea as to who paid for the tuition at these school.

When he was a community organizers there is no record showing nothing he did for the black youths in his "community".

Bottomline is this is all for show and to enhance his "legacy" even though the idea is good.

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myfather15 03/07/14 - 05:52 am
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"But nothing keeps a young

"But nothing keeps a young man out of trouble like a father who takes an active role in his son’s life,” he said."

Finally, something I can agree with him on. But that's about where it stops also.

Typical liberal mindset; throw money at the problem!!! Has that worked the last 50-60 years? NO!! and it won't work this time either!!

When these young men are attending these meetings and events, being involved; that's a wonderful thing. But then, when you send them home to the same gang riddled streets, the odds are against them!! The gangs become the biggest influence in their lives!! The gang is then their mentors, friends, pals, buddies, brothers and FAMILY!! The gang is also their families PROTECTION!! From what? Well, from THAT gang and other gangs!! If you don't join your neighborhood's gang, then you become a victim OF your neighborhood's gang!! So the pressure is immense!!

There is a few ways to combat and defeat this; one would be for the PEOPLE living in these neighborhoods to take back their streets!! Start getting involved and start calling law enforcement when you see suspicious activity!! When LE get there, cooperate with them!! HELP them get these people off YOUR streets, making your neighborhood safer!! Send a message to the gangs that this is NOT their neighborhood!! But this takes EVERYONE!! It won't happen with just a couple neighbor's participating!! Those couple neighbor's need to get ALL their friends involved!!

Then, there is the other way of WORKING!! Working your way up and OUT of these neighborhoods!! As long as gangs and criminals control the streets, the chances a child comes out positive is very low!! So work hard, save and if your neighbors won't help make the streets safe, then GET OUT OF THERE!!!

ymnbde
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ymnbde 03/07/14 - 06:07 am
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"a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle"

wasn't that how the "enlightened" ones thought of fatherhood?
and now another government bureaucracy to correct the errors
of government?
THREE SCHOOLS IN RICHMOND COUNTY
HAD ZERO STUDENTS PASS THE AP EXAMS LAST YEAR!
fix that!
oh, but that may deprive demcrats of their main voting constituency
and we've seen what they consider to be more important
and we all know the racial makeup of those three schools
if O was serious, he'd implement school choice
each family gets a voucher to be spent at the school of their choice
and the schools would (just like private schools in Macon) advertise based on how their students actually did in real life
the success of students would be the marker
not some esoteric set of "standards" that have no meaning in real life
the student would be the focus, not the bureaucracy
but O just made government bigger AGAIN
instead of solving the problem
it is racism, of by and for the democratic party
THREE SCHOOLS IN RICHMOND COUNTY
HAD ZERO STUDENTS PASS THE AP EXAMS LAST YEAR!
"education needs government like a fish needs a bicycle"
if far more truthful

localguy55
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localguy55 03/07/14 - 06:50 am
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Obama has to try to do

Obama has to try to do something to prop up his negative legacy. However, as others have pointed out, another government program will not reverse the damage that past programs, such as the "war on poverty" has done to the black family.

Another problem is societal, with the "Gangsta" attitude that has ripped the minority community apart and is one of the major causes of the overwhelming numbers of blacks being incarcerated. Growing up without a father in poverty is a sad state of affairs created by the welfare state.

Also, kids being taught to distrust authority and being exposed drugs, violence, as a way of life can only lead to more minority kids being locked up as adults.

This lifestyle must be tackled by the responsible leaders in minority communities in order for the disadvantage children that live in such conditions, know that there is a was out. Not through another government program, but by education, respecting authority, respecting life, and working hard to achieve the American dream.

There are many minority men and women that have lived by this same philosophy and their lives have been rewarded. It's time they give back to their community and be role models for those who deserve to know that they too can achieve the American Dream legitimately.

seenitB4
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seenitB4 03/07/14 - 09:00 am
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A good program

I REALLY hope this works....we have to try something different.

harley_52
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harley_52 03/07/14 - 09:48 am
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Lots Of Things...

....the President COULD and SHOULD be doing about the problems rampant within black society and so far all he has done is to exacerbate those problems.

Does he really want to solve those problems? I think not. Do democrats really gain anything by solving them? No. The President and his soul mates want issues, not solutions. They want social unrest and hatred/mistrust among races, ages, genders, religions, and social classes. It's how they make their money and how they attract voters.

Simply stated, democrats want to keep people down and dependent by demoralizing them, teaching them they can't possibly succeed in life, preventing them from obtaining a good education, convincing them white people are evil, all the while paying them enough money to survive in return for their continued bad behavior.

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dichotomy 03/07/14 - 09:50 am
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"President Obama also spoke

"President Obama also spoke in unusually personal terms about his drug use as a teenager"

Further proof that drug use in the formative years causes brain damage, slovenly work habits, and an entitlement mentality.

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jimmymac 03/07/14 - 11:35 am
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PROGRAM
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I guess Obama only cares about minority children and to H..l with the rest of the poor. He acts like other children raised in poverty don't deserve any assistance. This nothing more than another affirmative action program.

fedex227
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fedex227 03/07/14 - 11:44 am
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Why do I have a feeling ...
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that if this President put forth an initiative to help crippled, blind puppies, some people would be against it.

harley_52
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harley_52 03/07/14 - 11:56 am
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"Why do I have a feeling"

My guess is that it suits your agenda.

Can you provide an example of where blacks are better off now than they were five years ago, before he was elected?

stuaby
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stuaby 03/07/14 - 12:37 pm
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No! The ACES is running with

No! The ACES is running with notion (re. last sentence of column) that government programs are the cause of the problems with so many black/Hispanic male youth. Man alive.

These programs are not the cause. They just aren't helping, at best, and are counterproductive, at worst.

Cultural degeneration over a long period of time, is at the heart the matter. Worse than any government program are the insidious effects of secularism and humanism that are so cherished in our nation now. These have negative effects on everyone, but there has always been little room for error in the black subculture. It only took a little relaxation of certain standards, here and there, over a hundred years or so for these miserable effects to show themselves amongst so many black youth.

stuaby
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stuaby 03/07/14 - 12:58 pm
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I agree with my15 about this

I agree with my15 about this being something I can agree w/ President Obama on (as well as the other things my15 said), but I'm already chalking this up as a "nice try".

I have volunteered to mentor troubled black male youth myself. I know the limitations of these programs. You go in there, you tutor, you talk, you play games, etc., etc., but in the end, nothing really changes. The reality is that 1) you can't spend the amount of time really needed to make a difference w/ any of them, 2) the boys come and go 3) you have no significant way to reinforce any values 4) You have no authority 5) You are restricted in what you can say. 6) The pathology has already hardened. Etc. I could go on.

In the end, it like you're a ship passing in the night.

What has to happen. What HAS to happen, for anything to change, is for attitudes concerning sex, marriage and family, in that order, to be brought back in line. If these three things are in line, the rest (responsibility, work ethic, etc.) will follow. This is fundamental for everyone, of course, but adjustment is sorely needed in this area amongst the black subculture that is sending so many waves of dysfunctional young black men into society. Delicate subject matter, which will make many uncomfortable, has to be brought up and discussed openly at some point.

harley_52
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harley_52 03/07/14 - 02:17 pm
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"These programs are not the cause."

Does it help your theory that this "cultural degeneration over a long period of time" you speak of just happened to start about the same time as the "great society" and has accelerated as these government programs have expanded and multiplied?

We (as a society) have chosen to pay people for poor performance and bad behavior. We're now in about the fourth generation of it. Can you name any government programs that encourage families to stay together, or people to work, or improve their self-reliance?

In my opinion it is the government who have encouraged the misguided views of sex, marriage, and family. The relationship isn't coincidental it's causal.

Pond Life
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Pond Life 03/07/14 - 02:18 pm
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"if this President put forth
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"if this President put forth an initiative to help crippled, blind puppies, some people would be against it."

Probably the same reason that no matter what lies he has been proven to tell, no matter what laws he breaks, there are people who defend him.

fedex227
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fedex227 03/07/14 - 02:27 pm
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Or ...
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because some people just enjoy hating. It's their raison d'etre.

harley_52
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harley_52 03/07/14 - 02:28 pm
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"Or....because some people just enjoy hating."

Yes, I've certainly found that to be true of the hard-left.

ymnbde
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ymnbde 03/07/14 - 02:33 pm
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fedex227 are you comparing young black males

to crippled blind puppies?
seems a bit harsh

harley_52
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harley_52 03/07/14 - 02:41 pm
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Is There Any Evidence....

...that the legalization and celebration of abortion has had any positive influence on attitudes toward sex, marriage, and family?

How about teaching school children about proper condom fitting and placement?

Free birth control pills?

Homosexual "pride" parades?

KSL
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KSL 03/07/14 - 02:44 pm
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At least a crippled blind

At least a crippled blind puppy won't try to steal from you or kill you.

KSL
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KSL 03/07/14 - 03:01 pm
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I know that is harsh.

I know that is harsh.

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jimmymac 03/07/14 - 03:03 pm
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STUABY
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Your statements are 100% on target. It's too bad black leaders don't have the guts to start talking about what's going on in the black community. All they seem to care about is making sure the program money spigot doesn't get turned off. Results don't matter to them at all.

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Bizkit 03/07/14 - 03:24 pm
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Seems the belief is that if

Seems the belief is that if you're black or hispanic then the high incarceration rates is because of discrimination. And the fact is blacks are three times likely to be arrested for a crime. But the disparity is also by socioeconomic group and prosecution-if you are poor you likely got to jail. So the poor of any ethnicity is likely to go prison and be incarcerated.
Here is a recent publication:The authors investigated discrepancies in arrest rates between Black and White male juveniles by examining the role of early risk factors for arrest. Two hypotheses were evaluated: (a) Disproportionate minority arrest is due to increased exposure to early risk factors, and (b) a differential sensitivity to early risk factors contributes to disproportionate minority arrest. The study included 481 Black and White boys who were followed from childhood to early adulthood. A higher incidence of early risk factors accounted for racial differences related to any juvenile arrest, as well as differences in violence- and theft-related arrests. However, increased exposure to early risk factors did not explain race differences in drug-related arrests. Minimal support was found for the hypothesis that a differential sensitivity to risk factors accounts for disproportionate rate of minority male arrests. In sum, most racial discrepancies in juvenile male arrests were accounted for by an increased exposure to childhood risk factors. Specifically, Black boys were more likely to display early conduct problems and low academic achievement and experience poor parent–child communication, peer delinquency, and neighborhood problems, which increased their risk for juvenile arrest.

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Bizkit 03/07/14 - 03:30 pm
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This is discriminatory with

This is discriminatory with only hispanics and blacks because most of the problem is socioeconomic and cultural specific to the poor. Poor whites will still have high incarceration rates and arrest rates.

myfather15
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myfather15 03/07/14 - 03:40 pm
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Fedex

Yes, if this President or any President just wanted to throw more money at the problem, with no substantive way of actually HELPING, then I would be critical!!

How many times do we have to do something, before people will see it does not work?? And with that, I'm talking about throwing money at a problem!! It doesn't matter if it's education, drug addiction, HIV awareness, minority youth and many more; throwing money at the problem doesn't work!!

As long as we continue to live in a society that is down grading HONOR, INTEGRITY, morals, standards and prinicpals; our problems will NEVER be fixed!! As long as we live in a society that is forcing the "Invisible Hand" OUT, then we will not get better!! We live in a society where SELF and selfishness, rule the thought of the day!! People have NUMEROUS children, out of wedlock, parents divorcing at the blink of an eye, for just about ANY reason!! Men refusing to discipline themselves not to sleep with every tramp that comes along!!

Drugs and alchol being advertised on TV constantly!! This society has completely become about what YOU want to do!! To hell with your wife, children, parents, friends or anyone else!! To hell with service to others!! What's in it for ME????

MONEY, will never change this!! You can't change people's hearts and minds by throwing money at them!! People can SAY whatever words they want to say, but it boils down to; ARE YOU LIVING THOSE WORDS? Are YOU setting the example for your children? Are you setting the example for your friends, family and co-workers?

"Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?"

So, you can believe TALK all you want. I choose to believe action!! When I see substantial steps being taken that will actually HELP the youth, I will be ALL IN!! No matter who the person is producing it!!

myfather15
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myfather15 03/07/14 - 03:52 pm
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Absolutely Bizkit

Poor white youth, growing up in the trailer park have the same exact problems!! It starts with irresponsible parents, who are either seperated or refuse to teach their children HONOR, INTEGRITY and MORALS!!

I was born dirt poor!! My family never had much growing up and I wore hand-me-down clothes my whole life, until I became a teenager and got my first job cooking burgers at Hardees. Then I became a stocker at Food Lion. This was the first time in my life I had NEW clothes, because I bought them myself!!

We didn't have much, but the things my mom and dad taught me STUCK WITH ME!! Those things were GOD, Honor, Integrity, Standards, Principals and Morals!! I never really knew I was poor!! That taught me that hard work would get you through!! They didn't teach me that society owed me anything!! They never taught me we were victims of a society that oppressed the poor!!! They taught me the exact opposite; that NOBODY owes you a darn thing!! If you want it, work for it!!

But the government has found a way to CAUSE people to be more reliant upon THEM!!! That is to tell everyone they are victims!! Especially targeting the minorities!! Creating this mentality of dependence upon government to "level the playing field" which is nothing more than "give me something for free".

NO, it will never stop as long as politicians refuse to acknowledge this and stop using class warfare as a political WMD!!!

Bizkit
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Bizkit 03/07/14 - 03:58 pm
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J Consult Clin Psychol.

J Consult Clin Psychol. Author manuscript; available in PMC Nov 15, 2010.
Published in final edited form as:
J Consult Clin Psychol. Oct 2009; 77(5): 916–927.
doi: 10.1037/a0016626
PMCID: PMC2981137
NIHMSID: NIHMS247983
Explaining Discrepancies in Arrest Rates Between Black and White Male Juveniles

Paula J. Fite, Porche’ Wynn, and Dustin A. Pardini
There is the reference you thumbs down because of your anti-science beliefs.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 03/07/14 - 03:59 pm
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Here's one that indicates

Here's one that indicates that programs may help:
Am J Public Health. 2013 Mar;103(3):435-42. doi: 10.2105/AJPH.2012.300931. Epub 2013 Jan 17.
Individual, family background, and contextual explanations of racial and ethnic disparities in youths' exposure to violence.
Zimmerman GM1, Messner SF.
Author information

Abstract
We used data from the Project on Human Development in Chicago Neighborhoods to examine the extent to which individual, family, and contextual factors account for the differential exposure to violence associated with race/ethnicity among youths. Logistic hierarchical item response models on 2344 individuals nested within 80 neighborhoods revealed that the odds of being exposed to violence were 74% and 112% higher for Hispanics and Blacks, respectively, than for Whites. Appreciable portions of the Hispanic-White gap (33%) and the Black-White gap (53%) were accounted for by family background factors, individual differences, and neighborhood factors. The findings imply that programs aimed at addressing the risk factors for exposure to violence and alleviating the effects of exposure to violence may decrease racial/ethnic disparities in exposure to violence and its consequences.

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edcushman 03/07/14 - 04:35 pm
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"Undoing the damage"I am not
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"Undoing the damage"
I am not sure the damage can be undone. Most of last 2 generations of young black men have had racism and the entitlement mentality instill in them for most of their lives. I am not sure how we can undo that.

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CobaltGeorge 03/07/14 - 04:38 pm
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stuaby

"Delicate subject matter, which will make many uncomfortable, has to be brought up and discussed openly at some point".

Never happen, you would be in violation of Political Correctness. Sorry.

stuaby
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stuaby 03/07/14 - 05:37 pm
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"Does it help your theory

"Does it help your theory that this "cultural degeneration over a long period of time" you speak of just happened to start about the same time as the "great society"...?"

It doesn't. But it doesn't hurt it, either. I said in another thread here a few weeks ago that these programs are the equivalent of gasoline poured on an existing fire. The gasoline makes the fire grow but it doesn't cause the fire.

Of course, requiring that a woman not have a husband in order to receive benefits is not helpful at all. But at the same time, if a man and a woman are of the mind to get married to begin with, the existence of such rules would not deter them. I would suggest that the larger problem, in this case, is the lack of desire for marriage.

The situation is as complex as it is sad and distressing (to me, anyway). However, the exodus from the traditional church/values and compression into urban areas were two devastating trends for blacks and were part of the beginning of all this. Both of these trends were fully developed by the onset of the Great Society initiative.

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