It's the climate, stupid

Ridicule becomes key strategy to silence global warming skeptics

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Skeptical of climate change and global warming theories?

Oh, maybe you believe the Earth is flat, too.

That’s what Secretary of State John Kerry apparently thinks of you. He amped up the Obama Administration’s ongoing campaign to ridicule climate change skeptics during a recent speech in Indonesia, in which he likened global warming doubters to so-called “flat-earthers.”

“The science is unequivocal, and those who refuse to believe it are simply burying their heads in the sand,” Kerry said. “We don’t have time for a meeting anywhere of the Flat Earth Society.”

Kerry’s speech, in which he called climate change skeptics “a tiny minority of shoddy scientists” and “extreme ideologues,” reminds us of comments made last year by Sen. Brian Schatz, D-Hawaii, who summed up the administration’s mockery strategy more succinctly.

“These people have to be ridiculed,” Schatz said. “They have to be run out of town rhetorically.”

The Democratic message is clear: Disagreeing with climate change legislation is the same as disagreeing with science, which means you are a knuckle-dragging troglodyte, your opinion doesn’t count and you should just shut up and step aside before you embarrass yourself any further.

Well, excuse us, but there is plenty of scientific evidence to the contrary, and shouldn’t that research receive some credence instead of summary dismissal as the work of “shoddy scientists”? How scientific is that?

Shouldn’t there be more discussion before enacting economy-strangling measures such as cap-and-trade schemes and carbon taxes? Or before pouring more money into windmills and solar arrays that look impressive but produce little energy?

Kerry says climate change science is “unequivocal.” You would be hard-pressed to find a scientist who would use that word, especially when we’ve been told climate change is responsible for everything from drought and wildfires to rising sea levels and melting ice caps to animal extinctions.

The laws of gravity are unequivocal. Global warming is not.

Political commentator George Will summed up Kerry’s rant best: “When a politician on a subject implicating science, hard science, economic science, social science says ‘the debate is over,’ you may be sure of two things. The debate is raging and he’s losing it.”

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gaflyboy
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gaflyboy 02/24/14 - 12:17 am
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Ahem ...

"Shouldn’t there be more discussion before enacting economy-strangling measures"?

Absolutely not. Everyone knows science and/or facts are not important. We just need to strangle the economy!

Why don't you just shut up before you embarrass yourself any further.

NOTE: The above was sarcasm.

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deestafford 02/24/14 - 12:29 am
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With all the problems in the world, this,,,

With all the problems in the world, this legend in his own mind is spouting off about something that is not even close to being proven. For a period of time it was "global warming". Then when the warming didn't happen they changed it to "climate change".

The climate is changing. It has changed over the last 15,000 years when the Ice Age receded and allowed human civilization to expand. Things have always changed. We know Greenland has been both green and white in recorded history.

No one can define what the "normal" climate is nor can they define it.

Climate has two choices: either change or remain static and we know it has not happened. So, climate change has two parts: (1) climate change that is normal and (2) climate change that is outside the norm. The question is is the current climate change outside the norm of climate change? Also, what are the units climate change is measured in?

So, how much climate change are we experiencing today and how much is caused by human activity?

If the climate is changing, what is the unit that measures that change? What is the rate of change? How does this compare to previous periods of change?

The climate models don't even accurately predict current weather patterns.

Too often people say, "Well, I don't want to breath dirty air." Don't confuse pollution with climate. As far as pollution goes, look at the past as compared to how clean our air and water is today.

I guess the bottomline is liberals are after wealth distribution and control over peoples lives----what's new?

deestafford
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deestafford 02/24/14 - 01:07 am
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Additionally, there are more scientists with disciplines...

Additionally, there are more scientists with disciplines relating to the hard sciences that are skeptics of the "climate change" proponents than there are against it. Many of the scientists who support the theory do it for the grant money and not for the truth of science.

A true scientist is willing to have his theories put to the test.

A really true scientist encourages other scientists to try and prove him wrong not try to degrade his efforts and reputation.

The really true scientist wants to know he is right in his theory and the only way for that to be true is for others to fail proving him wrong.

One last thing. There is no such thing as a "consensus of scientists" proving something correct or incorrect. It is an assumption/idea/theory being experimented over and over and coming to the same conclusion time after time. It is not some data fed into a computer with multiple assumptions made in order to reach a pre-determined conclusion or desired end.

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KSL 02/24/14 - 02:55 am
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I quit buying a certain brand

I quit buying a certain brand of ketchup and pickles a long time ago.

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carcraft 02/24/14 - 04:38 am
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KSL, does that include the

KSL, does that include the science that goes with it? I'll take my climate science skeptical, hold the ketchup and pickles please!

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carcraft 02/24/14 - 04:46 am
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One of the things that is fun

One of the things that is fun to point out is that a few months ago Obama said "climate change can't be denied, the earth has warmed more than expected at a faster rate than expected in the last ten years " (I paraphrases a little but that is fairly close to the quote). Well there was a climate panel in Congress shortly after and NOT ONE CLIMATE SCIENTIST WOULD SUPPORT OBAMA'S ASSERTION!

KSL
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KSL 02/24/14 - 05:48 am
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carcraft

Information like that goes underreported and conveniently overlooked.

KSL
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KSL 02/24/14 - 05:52 am
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The human on the street

The human on the street interviewed shows how woefully undereducated our public has become. And they vote.

KSL
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KSL 02/24/14 - 05:56 am
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From personal experience on

From personal experience on other voting matters, I am pretty certain that end stage alzheimers patients are voting Democrat by absentee ballot, with a little help.

carcraft
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carcraft 02/24/14 - 06:42 am
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KSL, of course it does, can't

KSL, of course it does, can't cloud the issue with facts?

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Bodhisattva 02/24/14 - 06:44 am
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Legitimate source please

", there are more scientists with disciplines relating to the hard sciences that are skeptics of the "climate change" proponents than there are against it. "??????

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jimmymac 02/24/14 - 07:10 am
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CLIMATE
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There had been global warming long before man walked on the earth. What caused that! Now we are to believe that man is the reason the planet has warmed something like 1 deg. in 100 years. They also ignore the fact that over the last 15 years the planet has remained nearly static temperature wise. Scientist getting grant money as Deestafford said know where the bread is buttered. They have a vested interest in keeping the grant money flowing. If they stop supporting the global warming mantra the spigot stops. Obama spewing his lies has contributed more to global warming than all the cow manure in the world.

Bodhisattva
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Bodhisattva 02/24/14 - 07:21 am
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Why would the cherry picked panel not speak out?

"The House Science, Space and Technology Committee is a bit of an enigma. It has jurisdiction over environmental, energy, and science policy, but its Republican leadership is largely made up of climate deniers. Specifically, 17 out of 22 Republican members, or 77 percent, deny that climate change is occurring or that humans are the cause, despite overwhelming support from the scientific community that says otherwise. This probably comes as a relief to the fossil fuel industry, which altogether has given the Republican members of the committee $3,418,079 in career contributions."

The fly in the ointment was the impartial Rear Admiral David Titley, a meteorologist who is Director of the Center for Solutions to Weather and Climate Risk and a former head of the U.S. Navy’s Task Force on Climate Change. His position has historically been that climate change is causing sea levels to rise, which he says poses a serious risk to coastal communities and U.S. security and must be immediately addressed. The only obstacle, told the Center for American Progress in a September documentary, is the “chill put on by the Republican House.”

“You can wait, but as you wait, you are trading away time, you are trading away potential options that had you done in 2014, we could have done,” Titley said. “But if you start in 2025, you ain’t gonna get there.”

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owensjef3 02/24/14 - 07:24 am
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They just agree on
Unpublished

They just agree on everything, strange.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 02/24/14 - 07:33 am
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Russian scientist also don't

Russian scientist also don't believe in global warming they are predicting an ice age. This is just an Alinsky strategy using ad hominem to neutralize an opponent-but it isn't an argument nor wins a debate. German scientist find temperature changes the last 200 years are a part of well-known De Vries cycle and not global warming. These aren't shoddy scientists. Stanley Prusiner was also called a nutcase, flatearther, shoddy scientist, etc then proven correct and given a nobel prize.

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Bizkit 02/24/14 - 07:39 am
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Here is the option climate

Here is the option climate scientist have spoke of-going back to preindustrial age production globally and then wait 100 years or so for an affect. Their predictions of do anything (that isn't global in effort) is just as bad as global warming. Who ever said scientist would not sale their scientific soul for monetary gain or political gain? That is really absurd to think scientist aren't like anyone else and being jaded and using their position for political purposes.

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Bodhisattva 02/24/14 - 07:40 am
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Just asked for a source since

Just asked for a source since her/his information is wrong. I was addressing someone else, but if I need a source from you I'll put the info in quotes. Thanks. More than likely from this guy who said what people paid him to say. He claimed smoking wasn't bad for you for years:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py2XVILHUjQ

Bizkit
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Bizkit 02/24/14 - 07:42 am
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Look at Michael West PhD who

Look at Michael West PhD who started Geron Inc. trying to capitalize on embryonic stem cells-he was also very political active as well as greedy. This technology is passé now.

Bodhisattva
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Bodhisattva 02/24/14 - 07:45 am
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Alinsky?

Good one. Always a good fall back. Again, and again, and again, and ...... Nobody gives a rat's ..... about Alinsky except the right wing, but go on about him all you want. Russians are predicting an ice age? That's why they and the Canadians are gearing up for big time arguments over who owns the rights for a Northwest passage.

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Jon Lester 02/24/14 - 07:56 am
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You guys aren't even good journalists.

What do you know of climate science?

Bizkit
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Bizkit 02/24/14 - 08:13 am
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It is still an ad hominem

It is still an ad hominem argument and not based on science Bod. Calling someone a flat-earthed isn't a valid argument-just a ploy. Much as your ploy to dismiss the source which of course others do the same of yours. It's inane. If you look up the history of Global warming wikipedia article you'll initially-"Global warming is a world-wide climatic phenomenon--the average global surface temperature increased over the last 150 years." That changed dramatically.

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localguy55 02/24/14 - 08:09 am
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Perfect Example

Sen. Brian Schatz, D-Hawaii, who summed up the administration’s mockery strategy more succinctly.

“These people have to be ridiculed,” Schatz said. “They have to be run out of town rhetorically.”

Man made global warming, another hokes perpetuated by the left to gain more control over the every day lives of free people.

Can there be any other perfect example of how the left plans to use harsh rhetoric against the right? When these people decide to attack the right on an issue, that they are losing, they could care less what they say or whose feelings they hurt. To them, the ends justify the means.

Conservatives, it is time to go on the harsh rhetoric offense, or be run over by the relentless left, determined to take more freedoms from you.

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ymnbde 02/24/14 - 08:14 am
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the political science has been settled

perhaps that is what Kerry meant
we can't cure a common cold
and climate is more complex
we can't solve Atlanta's traffic problems
and climate is more complex
we can't educate our children?
climate is far more complex
but it does let you know the Democrat's priorities
grow government today
grow government tomorrow
grow government forever
every cent spent on climate change shows government puts politics over actual education
and their racism shows

Bizkit
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Bizkit 02/24/14 - 08:14 am
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You mean like the harsh

You mean like the harsh rhetoric that the wealthy are criminals who stole your "fair share" of the pie.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 02/24/14 - 08:18 am
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All this Dem "global warming

All this Dem "global warming strategy" isn't a scientific one but a political one and that is a fact with impunity. This is just another "disaster" they are trying to take advantage of-as they have done over and over again. If Obama was serious about global warming then the move towards preindustrial age living would be his goal as many scientist have suggested. Further if it isn't a global effort then it does nothing. So the US unilaterally doing anything is just a waste of time.

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OJP 02/24/14 - 08:20 am
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No. The science is clear.

Climate change is occurring and asserting otherwise is denying science. Anyone doing so should be called out as scientifically ignorant/politically motivated.

Disagree on policy all you want, but denying climate change is not something intelligent, fact-based individuals can do.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 02/24/14 - 08:30 am
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No if scientist in Germany

No if scientist in Germany and Russian are publishing contrary studies the science isn't clear-that's idiotic. Science is a process so it changes. The consensus was initially it was global warming the last 150 years, then longer period, then man made it. What's really unscientific and borders on just absurd is to label carbon dioxide (the generator of carbon chains for all life through plants) as a toxic pollutant. Personally I know there has been global warming-will it continue I don't know? Did man make it-well yes all life contributed to it as well as other sources. Is there anything we can do at this late date-well the science says without a GLOBAL effort then no.

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Bizkit 02/24/14 - 08:32 am
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Here is the kicker-Obama's

Here is the kicker-Obama's carbon cap and trade strategy isn't a real attempt to address global warming-as the polluters will still continue with wild abandon-just pay for it.

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Bizkit 02/24/14 - 08:45 am
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Where did I deny global

Where did I deny global warming-I reported the facts of the changes of this. It will change again. So I'm ridiculous for believing in global warming and likely man contributed to it-who knew?

Bizkit
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Bizkit 02/24/14 - 08:45 am
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The NY times isn't a science

The NY times isn't a science journal.

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