What freedoms will be left?

Birth control issue will be powerful test of Americans' rights

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This may be the year our First Amendment sees its most serious threat.

The Affordable Care Act now requires big employers to provide birth control as part of health insurance coverage, irrespective of the employers’ religious beliefs on the matter.

Many have religious beliefs that consider either contraception or the morning-after pill morally wrong and abhorrent to the conscience. The government is nonetheless ordering them to arrange for it and, in many cases, even subsidize it.

Hobby Lobby has famously challenged the mandate in an ongoing lawsuit. But it wasn’t until New Year’s Eve that the U.S. Supreme Court took action to temporarily block that portion of the law.

Remarkably it was liberal Justice Sonia Sotomayor who issued the stay – though, notably, only until Friday, when the Obama administration was ordered to make its case for the mandate.

She appears to have had little choice but to issue the emergency order. And, indeed, given an opportunity to protect Hobby Lobby with a similar reprieve in December 2012, Sotomayor passed on it.

A vital tenet of religious freedom is at stake. Can the government force Americans to participate in activities that are of the highest moral repugnance to them and their religious views?

And if it can, what freedom is truly left?

The current case, involving the Little Sisters of the Poor Home for the Aged in Denver, provides a stark background for the question. How can nuns be ordered to provide birth control in a free country?

But truly, the impact of this debate is sweeping. Dozens of lawsuits have been filed by the intrepid, and many more thousands of Americans not directly involved in the legal cases will have their rights either affirmed or trimmed.

The politics of the mandate are quite interesting, too – that is to say, hypocritical. Those of the same political ideology that once bitterly protected conscientious objectors during the Vietnam War would now deny the same right to conservatives who object to tampering with (and ending) embryonic life.

It also puts the religious between a rock and a hard place: Which one are they to obey, man’s law or God’s?

Those folks are normally assiduously law-abiding. But unless the court steps in to protect their fundamental religious rights on a more permanent basis, they may be tempted to resort to “nullification” – the act of singularly nullifying laws they find unlivable.

How many people, for instance, will ignore the requirement to buy insurance?

If so, they’ll have company in high places. As we noted in an editorial nearly a year ago, the Democratic-led U.S. Senate ignored its duty to pass a budget for the entire first Obama term, and the Obama administration has unilaterally and openly ignored provisions of immigration law, the Defense of Marriage Act, drug laws and more – and even encouraged defense contractors to ignore laws requiring layoff notices in advance of “sequestration” cuts.

“Nullification has rarely seen this much favor since the Civil War,” we wrote last January, “and may only gain steam if Washington continues down the path of trying to run everyone’s lives.”

Unless the courts step in, that may only be truer this year than last.

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deestafford 01/05/14 - 10:42 pm
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Look, let's face it...

Look, let's face it. To the liberals in positions of power in DC and other environs of government, religion does not mean the same to them as it does to most of us. The reactions to the Duck Dynasty fiasco show that. They use religion as a shield or a tool to wield the levers of power to their means. In their heart they are as religious as Marx was in his.

When they wrote a 2200+ page bill followed by over 20,000+ and still growing pages (which is longer than the Bible) of implementing instructions ,they knew they were making their usurpation the Constitution almost impossible to follow until it was/is too late.

Obama has placed people in the bowels of agencies where they will continue to expand the intrusion of government into our lives for decades if not generations. Don't count on Sotomayor to vote on the side of the religious when the case is decided by the full Supreme Court.

Never in history has there ever been a group in a democratic/republican form of government who deliberately and knowingly attempted to mask bloodthirsty lust for power and hateful envy as a theory for the common good as this group of statists headed up by Obama and whoever is backing him. They are out to destroy our system of government.

It all boils down to Obama having nothing but contempt for America's past and he is doing everything in his power to cleans it as the Egyptians and the Communists did of anything or anyone in their history which did not conform to their narrative.

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corgimom 01/05/14 - 11:07 pm
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Religious groups have always

Religious groups have always had to follow American laws. That's why Muslim fathers are not allowed to murder their daughters, snake handlers cannot allow their children to handle snakes, the religious crazies cannot marry off their daughters at age 10 and 11, and a man cannot have 4 wives at the same time.

But I don't see the AC protesting that. Because they agree with those laws.

But medicine is different? People's health is different?

Why? Why would anyone want to deny their workers proper health care? How is that fair?

Because where does it end?

If a Christian Scientist owned a business, could they refuse to pay for medical care, because it's against their religion?

If a Jehovah's Witness owned a business, could they refuse to pay for blood transfusions?

And would the AC support that too? It would be interesting if they would weigh in on those questions.

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corgimom 01/05/14 - 11:09 pm
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Is it Christian to deny a

Is it Christian to deny a raped woman the morning-after pill?

Is it Christian to deny a woman with medical issues that would affect a fetus, or her life, birth control?

How is that displaying Christian love?

And didn't Pope Francis say that the Catholic Church needs to stop its obsession with abortion and birth control?

paulbaughman28
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paulbaughman28 01/06/14 - 12:42 am
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CM...

The issue is a difficult one, even for me. On one hand, I ask if it's against your religion to get birth control or abortions, then why don't you just not get one. But, I can also see the point that those who are suing to be able to opt out of even providing it in their coverage are trying to make as well, as it is against more than just their religion, but their personal moral guidlines.

I understand that there may be some cases where someone might feel that it is necessary.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 01/06/14 - 06:18 am
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" On one hand, I ask if it's
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" On one hand, I ask if it's against your religion to get birth control or abortions, then why don't you just not get one."

If you consider the killing of a child as murder, it's not that simple either. It would be analogous to saying "if you don't like murder, then just don't commit one."

robert2410
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robert2410 01/06/14 - 06:19 am
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Liberals have no respect for
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Liberals have no respect for anyone's rights or beliefs but their own. This will only get worse until decent Americans stop it.

myfather15
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myfather15 01/06/14 - 06:35 am
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First of all, I'm a

First of all, I'm a Christian, but I don't object to birth control. My wife took the pill for several years and now has her "tubes tied" (Thank goodness). A fellow Christian of mine, is going to have to show me some strong scripture, to make me believe birth CONTROL, is sinful!! Luke was a medical doctor, doctor's and scientists came up with a way to control pregnancy and I'm not convinced controling it, is a bad thing. Planning pregnancy, is always better than unplanned. Now, once that little child has formed, there is nothing more sickening to me than to kill it!! If it happens, people need to deal with it, without killing that life that has ALREADY formed!!

myfather15
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myfather15 01/06/14 - 06:42 am
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Corgimom

"But medicine is different? People's health is different?

Why? Why would anyone want to deny their workers proper health care? How is that fair?"

Would you please stop with this!! How is birth control, denying people proper health care? It's not like they are denying them cancer treatment!! As I stated above, I personally am not against birth control as a Christian. BUT, that does NOT give me the right to overturn other people's religious beliefs!! The radical Extreme examples you gave above, are just that, radical and extreme!!!

Muslims killing their children? Extremists letting their children play with poison snakes? Marrying your children off at 10 or 11? Providing birth control to employees? ONE, of these things, isn't even in the same ballpark as the others!! As they say on Monday Night Football, C'mon man!!!!

ymnbde
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ymnbde 01/06/14 - 06:46 am
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corgimom, you seem to have suspended the complexity

in the balance of freedoms, religion can't be used to physically harm another person
and the examples you use are those where one person is harmed by another, or owned by another... they're a bit ludicrous
no one is harmed if the morals and values of nuns is respected
they shouldn't be forced to participate in birth control or the murder of wombed babies
really, the comparison of snake handling children and murdered daughters to nuns buying birth control and participating in abortions
seems to exclude rationality

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 01/06/14 - 06:55 am
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"Why? Why would anyone want
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"Why? Why would anyone want to deny their workers proper health care? How is that fair?"

You are aware that even if your insurance doesn't cover birth control, you can still get it yourself, arent' you?

myfather15
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myfather15 01/06/14 - 06:58 am
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Corgimom

"Because where does it end?"

This is the only good question I've seen you raise. Where DOES it end? If the government and mankind is the giver of moral and ethical standards to everyone, where DOES it end? If the government can intrude on certain aspects of people's faith, where DOES it end?

Since many of the left believe Churches are intolerant of gay's, is it possible, one day if the left has a majority in both houses and the Presidency, they would ban people from taking their children to Church, period? They could easily say that Churches, are brainwashing children against "alternative lifestyles" and ban children from attending. The government could easily say, "As adults, you may attend worship services, but you're not allowed to take your children. When they become adults, they can make their own decision to attend Church or not, but as children, they shouldn't be subject to such hatred of other people. We are doing this, to protect children from unneccessary negative influence from religious radicals."

Where DOES it end?

paulbaughman28
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paulbaughman28 01/06/14 - 07:03 am
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Angela,

I actually see your point in that statement that you made and I realize that I probably could have put a bit more thought into the way I phrased that. Please bare with it...I've been up in excess of 24 hours on duty.

paulbaughman28
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paulbaughman28 01/06/14 - 07:05 am
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Myfather,

I'm nonChristian and I can definitely see your point there.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 01/06/14 - 07:21 am
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Get some sleep! I love to
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Get some sleep! I love to argue with the best of them, but don't let it affect your health.

paulbaughman28
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paulbaughman28 01/06/14 - 07:29 am
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I would if I could....I still

I would if I could....I still have 3 hours to go...provided my relief arrives on time

InChristLove
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InChristLove 01/06/14 - 07:35 am
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(corgimom) "Is it Christian

(corgimom) "Is it Christian to deny a raped woman the morning-after pill? "

As a Christian, we believe that God is the creator of life. So are we to take over for God and decide who lives and who dies? Oops sorry God, you created this child (albeit through the act of violence) but you made a mistake and we're going to fix it by killing your creation. Yes, it would be difficult to carry a child that resulted from violence but when do we become God and when do we let God make the decisions.

As for non-Christians, if they see the need for it then they can pay for the morning after pill if they so choose but don't make me supply it through my health insurance (if I'm a Christian business owner) and don't make me pay for it through my personal insurance.

These things could be provided for all, through a separate alternative, just as birth control pills have been provided free through health department facilities. Pay for your own abortion and whatever means you deem necessary to prevent reproduction and those who choose not to are not require to pay for those who do.

"Is it Christian to deny a woman with medical issues that would affect a fetus, or her life, birth control?"

I have no issue with birth control, but then again I am not Catholic. I would no more want government telling me that I can not pray or that I can not teach my children God's word, or tell me we can not immerse in baptism, so I make no judgment on Catholics who do not favor birth control. If a woman has a medical issue that would effect her life or fetus, then there are other options to prevent pregnancy besides using birth control pills. If pregnancy has already occurred and the medical issue arises, then this isn't an issue about whether to take birth control pills or not....little late for that.

"How is that displaying Christian love?"

I believe someone has an incorrect understanding of what Christian Love really is.

"And didn't Pope Francis say that the Catholic Church needs to stop its obsession with abortion and birth control?"

As a Christian you're going to follow the teachings of Pope Francis or are you going to follow the teachings of Christ. I think we need to obsess about the killing of innocent children and we most definitely need to talk about birth control and the biblical teachings of waiting until marriage to our young sons and daughters. Of course I understand that we live in a world of sin so this is never going to improve but as Christians we most definitely need to be discussing these issues with our children.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 01/06/14 - 07:30 am
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Yikes....In that case, be
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Yikes....In that case, be careful.

robert2410
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robert2410 01/06/14 - 07:34 am
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Another good example of
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Another good example of liberal thinking

Why do the liberals say that Christians are "a bunch or murderous Nazis, skinheads and racists. It's odd, because the Nazis, skinheads, and racists are anti-Christ. This is an odd accusation when the liberals are supportive of organizations like the racist KKK, not the Christians. In fact, the Bible speaks of one race, but liberal evolutionistic thinking says that races are examples of those who are at different levels of evolution. The liberals accuse Christians of being fascists, yet Christians tend to favor free enterprise, while liberals tend to favor socialism. And it is socialism that leads to fascism, not free enterprise. The passions that motivate [liberals] are self-righteousness and hate: They hate you. They think you're evil." Very much like Nero hated Christians, the liberals hate Christians.

Someone may object by saying, "I'm a Christian and a Liberal." If that is true, Ask them how they feel about Christians who take the Bible as it is written. They would term that as taking the Bible literally, which is not the most accurate way to state it. Liberal Christians interpret the Bible by their own minds. They don't end up with the Bible when they are done. It is a rare thing to find a person who has a liberal philosophy and actually has a close walk with God. A close walk with God would take them away from their liberal philosophy. They tend to be judgmental toward those Christians who are being lead by God into righteousness and holiness. Just the idea that the sexual morals that God sets out in the Bible will tend to make them angry. If there is such a Christian, see if you can minister to them and bring them out of their bondage and spiritual blindness.

Liberals are not tolerant. They never were. They accuse Christians of the very faults that they, the liberals have. They are intolerant of Christ and any who follow Him. The difference is that they own nearly every means of communication: the media, the schools, the courts, and half the churches. As the liberals are quick to point out, whoever wins gets to write the history. What liberals don't count on is that there actually is Truth and God is real and just and all-knowing.

Recently, in a conversation with a liberal, we were actually talking about the option of putting all the Christians into concentration camps. The liberal, full of self-confidence, expressed it this way: "Well, what do you expect? You know, those people actually get together (his eyes got wider) and they raise their hands (he raised his hands and made and indescribable face) and they shout halleluiah."

This is what we are up against and a peaceful solution is not likely.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 01/06/14 - 07:41 am
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Corgimom, just for you....

Corgimom, just for you.... What is Christian Love

1 Corinthians 13: 4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Since none of us are perfect human beings, we will never attain the perfect love as Jesus loved but we can always strive for it. I do not believe there is any room in Christian love for taking the life of a child, no matter how it was conceived. God would not have created the child if He did not have a purpose for that child.

But then, it is just my opinion and you are free to have your own. Just don't claim to know what Christian love is, if it is not based on truth through His Word.

paulbaughman28
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paulbaughman28 01/06/14 - 07:41 am
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Robert,

Could you maybe sound a little less....Jihad-y?

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 01/06/14 - 07:48 am
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I see nothing "Jihad'y" in
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I see nothing "Jihad'y" in that. Just pointing out facts. No calls to eliminate those who think different.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 01/06/14 - 07:52 am
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Sorry Paul, actually what

Sorry Paul, actually what Robert wrote is fairly accurate even though is seems a little over the top. But in actuality he is correct and at least he is using his heart and tongue (as most passionate Christian's do) and has not resulted in other two ways of jihad, using the hand or sword (as some Islamic's do).

paulbaughman28
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paulbaughman28 01/06/14 - 07:58 am
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In my profession, we are

In my profession, we are trained to detect possible "insider threats." What that means is picking up on clues (body language, radical change in demeanor, language that could indicate a person leaning toward violent action, etc.) that would indicate a person might be going "extremist." There are a few things that raise a red flag in Robert's statement that he may be willing to target, either directly or indirectly, persons that he may think are against his religion. Specifically: Someone he knew mocking his religion, followed directly by his statement "This is what we are up against and a peaceful solution is not likely."

Now, this isn't saying that he is going to commit any acts of religious terrorism....it's just things that raise red flags on a professional level.

paulbaughman28
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paulbaughman28 01/06/14 - 08:01 am
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ICL,

I understand that his intent may be different...just saying that, again, on a professional level, it raises some red flags when you look at it objectively.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 01/06/14 - 08:03 am
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Obama likes to change human

Obama likes to change human behavior by punitive raising costs of coal, gas, etc. Perhaps we should adopt this by banning birth control pills or raising the costs too high to deter people from having sex since we have an epidemic of STDs in 15-21 year olds and we now have antibiotic resistant STDs besides the viral STDs. We need to do something

justthefacts
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justthefacts 01/06/14 - 08:08 am
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Paul, you're tired

"Recently, in a conversation with a liberal, we were actually talking about the option of putting all the Christians into concentration camps." Should the Christians just go peacefully? Don't cherry pick your quotes.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 01/06/14 - 08:15 am
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Well Paul, you may be correct

Well Paul, you may be correct that Robert is an extremist but from a Christian stand point that is not a bad thing. And a peaceful solution isn't going to happen. Our faith tells us that there is going to be a mighty battle when our Savior returns and it's not very peaceful at all.

Now, I understand you are viewing this from a different mindset and you are entitled to your opinion, but this is a blog and most people are very passionate concerning what they write and the stance they take (just look at Corgimom for example) so are you saying everyone who writes passionately on this AC blog is potential to become a jihadist? I don't think so. I think it is a way to express themselves through the condition of anonymity and possibly would be a different story if you and Robert were having this conversation personally. I would wager it wouldn't come across with such passion, as most of our other conversations.

paulbaughman28
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paulbaughman28 01/06/14 - 08:15 am
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justthefacts,

I am so very tired....

However, if you read ONE sentence before the direct quote that I cited, you will see where I clearly referenced someone mocking his religion.

Now, with all of that being said, let's perform a quick little exercise....

Close your eyes and pretend (I know it's hard to do at some of our ages) that instead of "Christians" he said "Muslims" and "Allah" instead of "God." Some of you that are trying to lecture me on saying that that this has the potential to be violent would be thinking the same thing. In your mind, you may see it different because of shared religion. To me, it raises the same red flags.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 01/06/14 - 08:15 am
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Paul no one cares about your

Paul no one cares about your profession, nor mine as a scientist, that doesn't give you special or increased merit for a posit. This is just an opinion page so you and all have a right to an opinion. So please quit the "professional" platitudes. I can do the same thing about progressives who have out right stated they want civil war or have made "terroristic" threats. I doubt that was the intent-people get passionate about their "opinions" but that isn't a crime-or a pre-crime.

robert2410
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robert2410 01/06/14 - 08:15 am
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Whatever Paul, when I see you
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Whatever Paul, when I see you say the same to some of the liberals in here who post some pretty extreme stuff sometimes, I might take you seriously. For now though I believe you are just taking sides and blowing smoke. Red flag all you want, I will continue to voice my Christian opinions until your side finally gets enough power to put me to death for doing so. And that is exactly what you will have to do to stop me

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