Freedom shouldn't fade

Religious employers are in the right in stand against insurance mandate

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The First Amendment is clear:

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof … .”

Certainly the Founding Fathers would be surprised to learn that today the federal government believes citizens forfeit that freedom when they become employers. That’s what the founders of Hobby Lobby and more than 80 other family businesses and religious employers are contending in lawsuits against the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, which has required that they include abortion-inducing drugs in their employees’ medical insurance coverage.

The U.S. Supreme Court agreed last week to consider the Hobby Lobby case, as well as a similar one involving Conestoga Wood Specialties Corp., a Pennsylvania cabinet-making company owned by a Mennonite family. The 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Denver has ruled in Hobby Lobby’s favor, but a federal appeals court in Philadelphia rejected Conestoga’s claim.

We hope that the high court rules on the side of Hobby Lobby and freedom, instead of intrusive government meddling.

Hobby Lobby was founded in 1972 by David Green, who began the business making picture frames in his home. The Oklahoma City arts and crafts chain now employs 13,000 people in 578 locations, including two in the Augusta-Aiken area. The Green family does not hide its evangelical Christian views. “We believe that it is by God’s grace and provision that Hobby Lobby has endured,” it says on its website.

Although some news accounts have said that Hobby Lobby opposes providing birth control to its employees, the company actually only objects to four of the 20 contraceptives on the HHS list. Those drugs include Ella, known as the week-after pill, and Plan B One-Step, or the morning-after pill. Both drugs can prevent a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus.

The Obama administration contends that abortion can occur only after the fertilized egg is implanted in a woman’s uterus. But the Becket Fund, which is providing Hobby Lobby’s legal representation, has accused the White House of playing “semantic games,” noting that most Christian denominations believe that life begins at conception. So an abortion results when any drug prevents implantation of a fertilized egg.

In his May 2009 appearance at the University of Notre Dame, President Obama appeared to be open to some accommodations to Americans of faith who believe that citizenship should not require violation of their consciences.

“So let’s work together to reduce the number of women seeking abortions by reducing unintended pregnancies, and making adoption more available, and providing care and support for women who do carry their child to term,” he said. “Let’s honor the conscience of those who disagree with abortion, and draft a sensible conscience clause, and make sure that all of our health care policies are grounded in clear ethics and sound science.”

That sounds a little like “If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan.”

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ymnbde 12/04/13 - 08:15 am
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ah, the "irresolute masses" and their religion, too

don't they know that government is the new religion
and a "vanguard minority" the new god?
"There can be nothing more abominable than religion."
so said Lenin (Vladimir, not John, who may have objected to the spelling but not the sentiment) as he started a propaganda machine to do away with religion.
Seems this O government got their playbook from Lenin
wouldn't it be nice if they actually practiced a bit of diversity?
they're so dogmatic... far more than the religious zealots they demonize
government zealots begin meddling right at the moment of fertilization

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myfather15 12/04/13 - 07:51 am
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Not sounds like, but is exactly like!!

"That sounds a little like “If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan.”

No, it's exactly like this statement, a LIE!! He has no plans to accommodate people of Faith, unless they win in Court; and then I believe he and his staff will still try to find a way to force people to abide by HIS rules.

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Bodhisattva 12/04/13 - 08:22 am
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The Constitution applies to

The Constitution applies to the rights of the citizens of the country. A business is a made up entity, and are not, and should not, be granted these same rights. An individual is free not to like Muslims. They can refuse to let a Muslims in their home. A business has no such rights. They can't refuse entry, and they can't refuse to hire someone based on religion, sex, race, and numerous other factors. The individual who owns the business is free to practice his or her religion in any way he or she chooses. When they go into business and enter the public marketplace, that business holds no such rights. What Hobby Lobby and these other businesses wish to do is force their religion on their employees. The rights of the people are what the Constitution is intended to protect. Protecting freedom would be a ruling in their favor. A ruling to give businesses and corporations, entities that the founding fathers feared would grow too strong and powerful, a right to trump the rights of the individual is the pure antithesis of freedom. It's just another step in making the individual subservient in all matters to their employer. The right wing version of freedom. You work for us. You're free to do what we tell you to do. Nothing but shills for big business. The individual is nothing but a disposal commodity.

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deestafford 12/04/13 - 08:44 am
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There must be some process which the left goes through in their

progression to the statism that gives them an aversion to reading and studying the original source documents of our Founders. It seems their positions are those built not on the intent of the Founders but on the talking points of the generations of centralize planners who have failed throughout history.

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 12/04/13 - 11:16 am
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science vs. religion, again....

The owners of Hobby Lobby believe that the "morning after" pill is different from other birth control methods in that it acts after "conception" to prevent fertilization, thus constituting abortion. This is a religious belief, not a scientific one. Virtually every major medical organization, including the AMA, the American Association of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, and the NIH, hold that abortions end pregnancies, and a woman is not scientifically pregnant until after fertilization. Therefore, the morning after pill, which prevents fertilization in the first place, is not an abortifacient. So the Hobby Lobby's grounds for wishing to be exempted from full compliance with the ACA is simply one more skirmish in the war between science and religion. My hope is that the Supreme Court will hold that while individual business owners are free to believe that human beings are not a product of Darwinian evolution, that gays are condemned by "God," or that "personhood" begins at conception, they are not free to impose their foolishness on others through their incorporated, for-profit businesses.

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 12/04/13 - 11:33 am
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having it both ways

Individuals in business incorporate for many reasons, but among them is to create an entity--a corporation--that is legally distinct from the individuals owning the corporation. This distinctness provides owners with many benefits, including security of personal assets and major tax benefits. For example, corporate losses and legal liabilities do not "pass through" to the owners. Hobby Lobby owners no doubt enjoy the financial benefits of their corporation's status as a legal entity separate from themselves, but now want to claim that their personal, individual religious beliefs "pass through" to the Hobby Lobby corporation. They want it both ways. Just more Christian hypocrisy.

carcraft
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carcraft 12/04/13 - 01:28 pm
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Should Chic Fila be forced to

Should Chic Fila be forced to stay open on Sunday and sell beer and wine? If not why since liberals get to decide what businesses do with out providing the capital investment for the business ( unless you are a friend of Obama's running a green energy scam). Of course nobody forces you to work for Hobby Lobby and if you want your employer to provide birth control work else were!

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OJP 12/04/13 - 01:37 pm
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Right. And businesses owned by Jehovah's Witnesses won't provide

blood transfusions in their coverage, Scientologists won't include psychiatric care, no male doctors for females if you work for a Muslim-owned business, and so on and so on.

This is just ridiculous. Keep your religion out of science/medicine.

carcraft
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carcraft 12/04/13 - 01:41 pm
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Corperations are not

Corperations are not identical on how they are run. There are many differant philosophies of business from the top down model to the Demming bottom up model. there are businesses that have a very button down dress style and then their is Duck Commander, Should the government dictate hair style, clothing style, and business model philosophy? If not why if the government can dictate employee compensation? I worked for a resturant chain when I was young that use to abuse the junior manager trainees. They got paid about $0.75 per hour when the minimum wage was $2.50/hour because they were salaried and manegerial. Now I don't agree with this but the employees did because if they worked out well they could make really big bucks as a manager of one of the resturaunts. Should the government out law that? What about employees who work over time? They make more than employees who can't, should the government outlaw that? Sheeese where does the nanny state end and reality begain?

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deestafford 12/04/13 - 01:52 pm
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Would someone please show me...

Would someone please show me that portion of the US Constitution that says a business must leave its religious beliefs on the street?

One of the things the left cannot understand that nobody--with the exception of the armed forces--are forced to do a job. The people signing up with Hobby Lobby, McDonald's, and all others in the private sector knew exactly what the terms of employment and the philosophy of the business was before they applied for the job.

If a Christian doesn't want to work for Planned Parenthood they don't apply there. If it were a leftist they would sign up for the job and then want to sue because there were abortions performed and support there.(That's assuming there are Christian leftists who don't believe in abortion.)

Another thing about jobs. The jobs don't belong to the worker. They belong to the employer. When someone says, "My job was shipped overseas!" That's not true because they never had the job it was the employer's to do with what he wanted. The worker merely occupied a position.

It's a shame the left doesn't understand and support the free market and how it applies to all of our society. When you find a problem in the free market you can trace the problem back to government influence the vast, vast majority of times. The simple concept of supply and demand apply to all aspects of life in a republican society.

When the government intefers the law of unintended consequences always jumps up and creates problems which the government tries to solve with more interference. Many don't realize that the current problems associated with the cost of healthcare here in the US goes all the way back to government inteference into wages during WWII when it put freezes on wages and employers using the law of supply and demand to get the best workers started offering health care as a condition of employment. This is just one example of how the government, not the private sector, has caused the high price of healthcare.

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carcraft 12/04/13 - 01:46 pm
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OJP, if you want us to keep

OJP, if you want us to keep our religion out of scienc and medicine perhaps a good place to start is keep government out of medicine! If this idiots in DC can't create a stupid web site after 3 years and over $600 million dollars it is clear they can't run medicine. If I worked for jehovah witnesses and they said they don't provide coverage for blood transfusions and I really wanted the job I would get a rider to pay for transfusions or pay out of pocket. Liberals, whine to the nanny state, THAT"S NOT FAIR, wha wha...

OJP
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OJP 12/04/13 - 02:17 pm
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@carcraft

(1) What in the world does keeping religion out of science/medicine have to do with government involvement in scientific research (which has yielded amazing results, by the way)?

(2) The website did not cost $600 million. And it's working now.

(3) Lack of empathy... I bet dollars to donuts you would change your tune were you actually in that situation. We may never know but - like FOXNews' Megyn Kelly and maternity leave - you'd probably see things differently were it you and not someone else.

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myfather15 12/04/13 - 02:48 pm
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Bodhisattva

Another distortion of TRUTH, from you!!

"A ruling to give businesses and corporations, entities that the founding fathers feared would grow too strong and powerful, a right to trump the rights of the individual is the pure antithesis of freedom."

Please, find me quotes from the founding fathers, about fearing private business, getting to strong and powerful!!

Private Business was NOT what the founding fathers FEARED, it was GOVERNMENT!!! I challenge you to find more quotes from them on private business, than I can find on their FEAR of Government!!

This IS a FREE COUNTRY for the individuals!! Individuals do NOT give up their rights, when they become business owners!! The individuals EMPLOYEES do NOT have to work for them, period!! No one is FORCING these individuals to work for Hobby Lobby!! If they want their contraceptives, go to work for another company!!

This is absolutely absurd that people think it's Ok to FORCE a privately owned business to provide what the GOVERNMENT thinks is acceptable!! THIS is what the founding fathers FEARED!!! I certainly can prove this, with their own words!!

myfather15
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myfather15 12/04/13 - 02:53 pm
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"they are not free to impose their foolishness on others through their incorporated, for-profit businesses."

Impose?? Basically, a person practicing their faith, is now imposing? So the employees of Hobby Lobby aren't FREE to quit and seek employment elsewhere? They are FREE WILLED persons, free to put in the application for employment, or NOT to put it in. If THEY apply for a job with Hobby Lobby, they should understand Hobby Lobby's policies; accepting them or denying them, BEFORE becoming employed with them!!

I have no sympathy for employees in this situation!! They DO NOT have to take the employment. But this isn't the way the radical left looks at things. They must IMPOSE THEIR will upon others; FORCING others to put THEIR religious beliefs aside!!

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carcraft 12/04/13 - 02:56 pm
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OJP the web site is working?

OJP the web site is working? LOL, the last 25% that allow you to pay hasn't been constructed yet! Up to 1/3 of people who THINK they have purchased health insurance haven't. OH we'll! Now what business is it of government if I have birth control or not. I am sterile by choice so I solved the issue was dealt with with out the government being involved. I should not have posted what I did about science BUT Sibilius and the child with cystic fibrosis came to mind "some people live, some die"!

myfather15
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myfather15 12/04/13 - 03:02 pm
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OJP

Those problems you mentioned are medical or psychiatric disorders, which require treatment to live!! Preventing pregnancy is NOT a requirement to live!! That is an absurd comparison!!

"The website did not cost $600 million. And it's working now."

You're right, it didn't cost $600 million, only about 150-165 million!! It's working now? Yes, that's what they are saying, for now. It's capable of 50,000 visitor's at a time.

Amazon holds over 1,000,000 at a time; so forgive me if I'm not overwhelmed with awe at how great the website is!! Maybe they should have hire Amazon folks to build their website!!

myfather15
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myfather15 12/04/13 - 03:09 pm
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"If we can but prevent the

"If we can but prevent the government from wasting the labours of the people, under the pretence of taking care of them, they must become happy."-Thomas Jefferson

myfather15
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myfather15 12/04/13 - 03:10 pm
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"When the people fear the

"When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty."-Thomas Jefferson

myfather15
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myfather15 12/04/13 - 03:11 pm
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"My reading of history

"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government."-Thomas Jefferson

myfather15
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myfather15 12/04/13 - 03:13 pm
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This doesn't sound like he FEARED business, there Bod!!

"A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circlue of our felicities."-Thomas Jefferson

myfather15
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myfather15 12/04/13 - 03:25 pm
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"Experience hath shewn, that

"Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny."-Thomas Jefferson

There are too many more to continue listing, and this is from only ONE founding father. Many more spoke of their fear of big government, but I won't bore people with more quotes.

To be fair, I did find two; where he was talking about private industries.

"I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country."-Thomas Jefferson

It's pretty clear he wasn't talking about INDIVIDUAL businesses, but the monopolies of a certain FEW, challegning the Countries laws, and I agree.

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies."-Thomas Jefferson

I couldn't agree with him more!! Banking institutions charging 30% interest in loaning money to poor people, should be criminal!! Banking institutions ARE dangerous!! GREED is dangerous!!!

But GREED is NOT exclusive to the republican party! That is just leftist lies!! The left is even MORE greedy than the conservatives. They are just better at disguising their greed!!

But, the point of this, was to PROVE the founding fathers feared big government, WAY more than any individual business; as someone else wants us to believe.

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Red Headed Step Child 12/04/13 - 05:42 pm
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30% loans?

Just as in the case of people having a choice in where they work, people have a choice on whether they borrow money.

myfather15
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myfather15 12/04/13 - 05:59 pm
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I agree with you. But, if you're completely broke and your transmission or engine quits; where do you get the money? If you don't get it fixed, you don't go to work and therefore lose your job. I know many people, who are one disaster away from ruin, including me. If my transmission goes out, I would NOT be able to pay $1500.00 cash to replace it.

When I say 30%, I'm talking about the Credit Card companies, which are banks. But, even the regular banks; if your credit score isn't good, they charge very high interest. Especially if you are late with a payment, then your hit with interest you will never be able to pay!!

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CobaltGeorge 12/04/13 - 07:12 pm
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OJP

The website did not cost $600 million.

You are Right...New News Research it today.

Although the GAO has made clear the limitations of its data, its $394 million tally for work through March 31 has been widely cited as the price tag for the entire launch of the "Affordable" Care Act. However, as Bloomberg's Peter Gosselin finds, looking at the full range of ACA-related contracts for just 10 firms, more than $1 billion worth of contract awards. Perhaps even more mind-blowing is that more than one third of the funds going to the top contractors working on the federal exchanges were awarded in the last six months - even as it was clear the project was failing.

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CobaltGeorge 12/04/13 - 07:16 pm
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Bod..

"They can't refuse entry, and they can't refuse to hire someone based on religion, sex, race, and numerous other factors."

Tell me one, repeat one incident that Hobby Lobby refused employment to anyone because of religion, sex, race and any other numerous factors?

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dahreese 12/04/13 - 09:00 pm
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"...noting that most
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"...noting that most Christian denominations believe that life begins at conception...."

Christian or non-Christian has nothing to do with life beginning at conception.

The FACT IS for a goodly period of time after conception the fertilized egg is nothing but a mess.
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"It's a shame the left doesn't understand and support the free market and how it applies to all of our society."

It's a shame that the right is still ignorant of the fact that there is no such thing as the "free market."

What 'major' corporations that are left in this country would fall flat on their faces without government subsidies -- furnished by the taxpayer.

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robert2410 12/04/13 - 09:05 pm
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Liberals are the most
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Liberals are the most oppressive people I can imagine. Their total intolerance for anything that differs from them is astounding. I am coming to the belief that there may indeed be a fight coming, not of words either. It would be awful for it to come to that but I do not think the progressive left is going to give us a choice, they have become zealots in every sense of the word and have no compromise in them. Too bad for them if they do push it to that point, it will be a fight they will lose rather badly.

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teaparty 12/04/13 - 09:22 pm
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"What 'major' corporations
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"What 'major' corporations that are left in this country would fall flat on their faces without government subsidies -- furnished by the taxpayer. "
dahreese, that statement proves you have brought the BS spread by the Marxist and communists and have no clue what you are talking about, so very sad.

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InChristLove 12/04/13 - 09:26 pm
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(dahreese) "The FACT IS for a

(dahreese) "The FACT IS for a goodly period of time after conception the fertilized egg is nothing but a mess."

Beg to differ with you dahreese, after the egg is fertilized and attaches to the uterus, some cells become the placenta while others become the embryo. The heart begins beating during week five. Most women do not even realize they are pregnant at week five and it even takes three to four weeks for a doctor to be able to detect the hormone to tell you are pregnant. So, FACT is that egg actually is something pretty spectacular.

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InChristLove 12/04/13 - 09:32 pm
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(EEL) you are just as

(EEL) you are just as misinformed as the rest "that gays are condemned by "God,"

God does not condemn gays any more than He condemns anyone who sins. John 3:17 "For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him."

In John 8:11 Jesus says “Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more.”

It's our sin that condemns us, not Christ, but through His gift of salvation we can have forgiveness and there is no condemnation for His children, so blame sin, not Christ.

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