Another 'man-caused disaster'

Further delay in implementing Obamacare is unavoidable

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He didn’t say it once. He didn’t say it lightheartedly. And he left no room for ambiguity.


Barack Obama said repeatedly, over years, that his health care law would drive down premiums and that if you like your doctor and health insurance you can keep them.

Period, he said.

No matter what, he said.

He said premiums would go down “by up to $2,500 per family per year.” He said that again and again and again and again and again. The historical record is there. The video is on the Internet.

Nor did he just say these things. He promised them.

“We will keep this promise to the American people,” he said in 2009. “If you like your doctor you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health-care plan, you will be able to keep your health-care plan. Period.

“No one will take it away, no matter what.”

Where is the wiggle room in “we will keep this promise to the American people,” or in saying “period” and “no matter what”?

There is none.

Some of us never bought the canard that is Obamacare, but many voters did. Now look what’s happening: Over a million Americans already have, indeed, lost their insurance plans, with perhaps many more millions to follow, and costs of policies aren’t falling – they’re skyrocketing in many cases.

Afraid of calling terrorism what it is, former Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano used to call terrorist acts “man-caused disasters.” Well, what is Obamacare, if not that?

Now, an NBC News report says the Obama administration has known “for at least three years” that what the president promised would not be true – that many would lose their insurance as a result of the Orwellian-named “Affordable Care Act.”

“Four sources deeply involved in the Affordable Care Act tell NBC News that 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a ‘cancellation’ letter or the equivalent over the next year because their existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law,” NBC reported. “One expert predicts that number could reach as high as 80 percent. And all say that many of those forced to buy pricier new policies will experience ‘sticker shock.’”

Says a headline in New York magazine: “‘If You Like Your Plan, You Can Keep It.’ Well, Not Exactly.”

In the article, however, the writer tiptoes around the president’s blatant broken promises by writing, oddly, that they “lay somewhere between an oversimplification and a falsehood.” Really? The writer doesn’t know where to put a complete untruth on the scale between “an oversimplification and a falsehood”?

Three legs have been holding up the ill-fated Obamacare stool to this point: 1) the chance it might work; 2) an Obama-worshipping media that have failed to question it or warn the public; and 3) Democrats in Congress, who’ve walked us toward this cliff in lockstep.

Until now. Even some moderate Democrats, principally those facing re-election next year, are backing away from the mess and urging a rethinking of some portions of the law.

We don’t see how a further delay in the law’s implementation can be avoided. How can you ask Americans to try to log onto a website that doesn’t work in order to buy a product they didn’t want at a price they can’t afford?

Not even this administration can do that.

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jimmymac
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jimmymac 10/30/13 - 12:24 am
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I had the displeasure of
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I had the displeasure of watching Jay Carney tip toe around Obama's lies. I know what I've seen and heard and there's no doubt Obama lied repeatedly to the American people. He lied to get re-elected and gullible voters thinking they were going to get something for nothing voted the worst president ever back into office. Judge him on his record not what his teleprompter tells him to say.

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carcraft 10/30/13 - 05:33 am
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Jay Carney and the rest of

Jay Carney and the rest of the Lying Democrats need to be called out on his statement "You can keep your health care PERIOD" The buck stops at Obama's alligator mouth, so many promises his canary butt can't care. If you make promises you can't keep then ST----U!

carcraft
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carcraft 10/30/13 - 05:39 am
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Well the news media is still

Well the news media is still spinning like a high speed drill. Watched Stephanopoulos on the news last night. Walked the party line. Well the insurance policies being cancelled are inferior and you need to buy the health plans we tell you you need to buy, good night and on to the most important item in world news tonight monster wave surfing and the men who do it! Spent more time on that than Obama's lies!

Riverman1
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Riverman1 10/30/13 - 06:10 am
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Five Year Plan

Obamacare is mass confusion causing people to lose their insurance, employers to cut the hours of workers, uninsured being given free insurance without vetting and the IRS gearing up to fine Americans caught up in this mess. What happens to those who don’t pay the fines? Jail? Civil unrest? This is a step on the way to nationalized health care. Collective farming on confiscated land is next. Remember the bond holders of GM who were illegally not paid in a sellout to the unions? The Constitution and law mean nothing. Democrats are on their Five Year Plan to “fundamentally change America.”

seenitB4
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seenitB4 10/30/13 - 07:07 am
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Heh

At least it isn't a woman made disaster...

localguy55
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localguy55 10/30/13 - 07:15 am
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This is what happens when

This is what happens when demonocrats run things. Lies, lies, lies. If the demoncrats campaigned on their true intentions, they would never be elected.
Even some low information voters could figure it out, if they are told the truth. Most low information voters have little or no concept of such issues as foriegn policy, fiscal policies, defense, and personal freedom rights.
But when a policy affects these low information voters' government checks they sit up and take note. Obamacrapcare is one of those big red bomb shells that seems to have gotten some of these people's attention.
I can't wait until it begins to eat away at their pockets so they can experience what it feels like living in this obamanation of an administration.

ymnbde
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ymnbde 10/30/13 - 07:26 am
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ah, such sweet little lies they were

read with such sincerity
and we had the audacity to believe
that there was a free lunch, breakfast and dinner
food from a card electricity from the sun
his children would play nice even the radical ones
health care would be free just press enter
storms would subside do i hear a dissenter?
must be a mean old greedy doctor
who wants to kill you with fox news
or poverty
or cholera
we didn't believe, we were just racist
we clung to our guns our religion our sentiment
O would be our President
earth was without form he would fill the void
and Republicans would be destroyed
he chiseled their tablets set fire to their Bush
with truth! we were told by those Sorish deceivers
msnbc abc cbs nbc cnn
script readers
you can keep your O and the thrill up your leg
cause as the lady said
how's that hopey changey thing working out for ya now?
if you thought he was Elvis you must reconsider
cause what you got was Justin beaver

jrbfromga
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jrbfromga 10/30/13 - 07:28 am
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Delay?
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Delaying the implementation is not an option. The administration unlawfully delayed the employer mandate, but not the individual one. These 'mandates', as well as the minimum insurance mandate, should be overturned. Is it not strange that in the phase-in of the ACA, the most popular mandates, i.e. insurance for children up to age 25 and no denial for pre-existing conditions were first, and now the American people are awakening to the realities of the more than 2000 pages of the act that nobody in Congress could read before they passed it. In 2010, it was blindly passed due to Obama-speak about keeping your plan and doctors if you liked them. Now the reality hits, and the realization that the administration knew about it all along. You must purchase a plan, at a higher cost, that the bureaucrats insist you must have. You may have to change doctors. What needs to happen is not a delay, but A TOTAL REVOCATION of the ACA!

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 10/30/13 - 07:58 am
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Fines

Riverman posted:

. . . the IRS gearing up to fine Americans caught up in this mess. What happens to those who don’t pay the fines? Jail? Civil unrest?

I was listening to Rush Limbaugh the other day, and he reported that his accountant told him that the Affordable Care Act affords the IRS only one way to collect the ACA fines — take it out of income tax refund money.

The accountant said there is no other mechanism in the law.

So, if one structures his withholding or his quarterly pre-payments to be less than the tax liability, then there will be no penalty. That's according to Rush.

Gary Ross
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Gary Ross 10/30/13 - 08:03 am
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You should hear what they are saying on public radio!

Making it sound like a very small percentage are losing their insurance (1.7% if I recall correctly). No touch on broken promises (lies) or misleading statements (deceipt). Liberal media continues to spin this garbage with full expectation that we should believe them. Right.

The fact is, shame on us for allowing this to happen! What else do you expect from someone who can't tell the difference between lies and the truth? And we keep believeing him, as if a truth will make its way out of his mouth eventually and everything will be ok? The millions he's talking about that will save money are his friends on welfare and food stamps! He just neglected to mention that small point.

seenitB4
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seenitB4 10/30/13 - 08:07 am
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It is so hard to watch tv now

When they show Obama saying "You can keep your insurance" I almost upchuck.....they show that clip over &over & over....I'm truly sick of his lies..

carcraft
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carcraft 10/30/13 - 08:49 am
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Ah yes, only 1.7% of 200

Ah yes, only 1.7% of 200 million people is how many? About 3.4 million people , not to worry, Hitler killed 6 million Jews, that was what percent of the worlds population? The actual number of people losing insurance is around 6 to 14 million! Spin faster, people are starting to see it as only a 3/4 lie!!!

teaparty
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teaparty 10/30/13 - 10:14 am
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You guys notice that none of
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You guys notice that none of the usual liberals have the stomach to defend the liar in the Whitehouse.

deestafford
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deestafford 10/30/13 - 09:44 am
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Why is it that we don't believe what our enemies say and project

our beliefs on what they say.

The Communists said they want to bury us and most Americans acted like they were just saying that and were really nice people at heart.

On the other hand, we don't believe our enemies will lie to us to get to their goals. As the oath we take as various office holders and military members to...uphold the Constitution of the United States and protect it from enemies foreign and DOMESTIC. We have domestic enemies and some of them are elected to offices in Washington, DC.

The Muslims say they want to destroy the Western way of life and have Muslim rule throughout the globe. We don't believe them. We compromise by having an "Arab Spring" with all its turmoil. We help the Muslim Brotherhood take control of Egypt, one of our strongest allies in the Middle East. The President invites the MB to the White House and even has some MB members placed in positions of power in the Department of Homeland Security.

Now the liberals have been lying to us for years on obamacare and we didn't believe them? Well, let's say the liberal idiots in the media believed him and we didn't fight with the exception of a few like Cruz and Lee. Now we have that RHINO McCain saying Hillary was an outstanding Sec of State with exception of BenGhanzi. Our establishment still doesn't recognize the enemy to our way of life when they are face to face with them.

Make no mistake...the liberals are our enemy and we should fight them with all we have short of violence or we will loose the country as we know it...be it obamacare, immigration, or entitlements.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 10/30/13 - 09:41 am
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Now the progressive mantra is

Now the progressive mantra is Obama didn't lie about you being to keep your present doctor or insurance plan-period (They should have warned people that they wouldn't be grandfathered if they had made any change to their insurance.) Period implies that there are no qualifications. This is even more direct than his passing ambiguous statement about terrorism after Benghazi. Where is the choice? All plans have to be ACA compliant so there are now fewer choices. You can't get catastrophic if over 30 which is just plain age discrimination. All people with insurance will have to have insurance that is ACA compliant after this year-the grandfather clause applies only for one year.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 10/30/13 - 10:03 am
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The grandfather clause

The grandfather clause related to no changes before 2010. If the govt knew this why didn't they warn people they could lose their present insurance with any change? Back in 2010 they predicted 40-60% will eventually lose their present insurance according to NBC.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 10/30/13 - 10:07 am
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The website hearings are a

The website hearings are a freaking joke. Both Rep and Dems are the biggest idiots on this planet. This will go nowhere. The passing of the ACA was by buying votes and a close call. Obama lying about the ACA directly influenced the outcome of supporting the ACA (just like Bush lied to get support for Iraq). We didn't get Bush but we can get this criminal. Obama has manipulated this law and likely manipulated his re-election and stole the election. He is a liar and criminal. He even has admitted his criminal past activities-why would we presume he has changed.

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 10/30/13 - 10:18 am
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THE prez lies....he will look

THE prez lies....he will look you in the eye and lie...this is why we should never trust him in negotations on mmigration or budget matters...he will lie,...nothing, ..should be done on anything he supports, or nominates to positions of power..a scorch earth policy is how we should deal with him for now on...give him nothing....

louiemcman
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louiemcman 10/30/13 - 10:23 am
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Little Lamb hit the nail on

Little Lamb hit the nail on the head..."only one way to collect the ACA fines — take it out of income tax refund money". That is to say the permanently unemployed on welfare, food stamps, and other programs which paid in $0 in taxes, will not get $3000. back from the IRS, they will only get $2500. if they don't sign up. If they do sign up? Free health care? That's it the final straw...I'm dropping out of the working society and getting the "O" plan.......

Bizkit
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Bizkit 10/30/13 - 10:32 am
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I see now Obama is going to

I see now Obama is going to say it is the free market, yet ignore govt is regulating this market. Govt is defining what insurance plans will be offered-they have to be ACA compliant. Reminds of me of mortgage crisis where the govt denied culpability but regulations "forced" banks to accept bad loans. I have a family member who is a CPA, audits banks, and now is in a bank.

rmwhitley
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rmwhitley 10/30/13 - 10:48 am
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obama
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and tiger! What wonderful representatives of truth and honesty. By the way, are they black?

deestafford
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deestafford 10/30/13 - 11:03 am
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As usual there are some much unintended consequences with

government involvement...well, maybe this isn't unintended. With the reduction of people being able to buy/afford new health policies from the companies the companies will not need as many employees and guess what? The insurance companies will lay off people who have been with them for many years.

I guess this is just one step in getting what Obama has personally said many times and that is eventually he wants a single payer program. Which will mean there will be no private insurance companies and everything will come from the government.

Yea! Socialism! One of the "dreams of my father" has been met.

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 10/30/13 - 11:33 am
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editorial

"Some of us never bought the canard that is Obamacare, but many voters did"

As a liberal, I must agree that Obamacare looks like it is going to fail; BIG TIME!! As for as we that voted for him, we could not do any research on what would happen! I don't even believe the insurance companies knew how they would react. All we had to go on in 2010 was what we were being told, especially when The Supreme Court allowed it to go forward!

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Willow Bailey 10/30/13 - 11:37 am
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Oh yes he can!

ACES this President can ask us to do exactly that... his behavior will not change. He is a lying narcissist ... Reality isn't a problem for him, just the rest of us.

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 10/30/13 - 11:45 am
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editorial

"Over a million Americans already have, indeed, lost their insurance plans, with perhaps many more millions to follow, and costs of policies aren’t falling – they’re skyrocketing in many cases"

I must admit that I don't know a lot about how these "exchanges" work. It is my understanding that the same private insurers will be handleing this. If I am correct, then doesn't it follow that they will be making a lot more money by dropping policy holders and then signing them up under Obamacare?? This would be accomplished by knowing that they would be getting large premiums from the individuals, AND money subsidies from the government??

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 10/30/13 - 11:51 am
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"“If you like your doctor you will be able to keep your doctor. Period"

In my opinion, if this statement turns out to be false, IT IS NOT the fault of Obamacare, BUT the very intrinched GREED that is involved in the medical and insurance businesses!

CobaltGeorge
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CobaltGeorge 10/30/13 - 12:01 pm
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Kangaroo Court

This is what the hearing with ("Jan" knelling down for the king name") is happening. Question and answer time cut to 2 minutes.....Damnocats can praise her for her action completely in 2 minutes but the American people are unable to in 2 minutes ask the real questions that are need to be known.......What a sad communist government we have now!

CobaltGeorge
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CobaltGeorge 10/30/13 - 12:04 pm
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The

praising American destroyers are getting over their 2 minutes while the True Americans are being cut short at exactly 2 minutes.

Truth Matters
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Truth Matters 10/30/13 - 12:05 pm
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"You guys notice that none of

"You guys notice that none of the usual liberals have the stomach to defend the liar in the Whitehouse."

I have been on this page sparingly to control my blood pressure. Say something new that I have not already addressed and I promise you will hear from me.

By the way, it is amazing to watch republicans rant about the website that is not working so people can't buy the insurance they shutdown the government to prevent people from buying. And they do it with a straight face. Talk about liars.

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