Erasable marker?

It seems too easy to remove state historic plaques

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Often we’ve written laments about the labyrinth of red tape that an average citizen has to navigate when it comes to accomplishing anything within a government – local, state or federal.

Or keeping someone from accomplishing anything.

Now we find ourselves writing about a governmental procedure that seems much, much too easy.

Across from The Augusta Chronicle, on the 700 block of Broad Street, used to sit a plaque, erected by the state in 1954 to commemorate an 1856 Augusta visit by British novelist William Makepeace Thackeray.

We say “used to” because the historical marker has been removed. At first, we didn’t know by whom, but later learned that the Historic Preservation Division of the Georgia Department of Natural Resources took it away during the summer.

Why? Because one person complained about some of the language on the plaque.

The marker excerpted Thackeray’s written reflections about Augusta, which included this direct quote: “Slavery no where repulsive, the black faces invariably happy and plump, the white ones eager and hard.”

Actually the plaque was first singled out in a review of all state historic markers back in 2001, but the state lacked funds at the time to do anything about it. But a single February letter from an Augusta resident seemed to have jogged the state’s memory.

So a DNR crew that happened to be in the area recently merely swung by, picked up the marker and put it in storage at Mistletoe State Park up at Thurmond Lake.

A DNR spokeswoman said a new marker will be erected, minus the language the complainant found offensive.

End of story? Not quite. There is the matter of the complaint process that spurred all of this. Since when can a 59-year-old state historic marker be uprooted based almost solely on a single months-old complaint? What if someone else has a problem with one of the other 70-plus state historic plaques in Richmond County? What then?

The DNR said it’s looking at possibly instituting a new complaint policy. It certainly should. Removing official historic plaques shouldn’t be so simple.

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corgimom
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corgimom 10/25/13 - 02:35 pm
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There are people in this

There are people in this world that just aren't happy unless they are complaining about something. History can't be changed, and it ludicrous that somebody would be upset about something that was said in 1856, but that's the way people are today. It's like the same people that talk about Margaret Sanger and how she was for eugenics- like 99% of the population of the US.

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Bizkit 10/25/13 - 02:44 pm
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Erasable marker??? Ah they

Erasable marker??? Ah they should have used indelible ink-everyone knows that "erasable" isn't permanent.

David Parker
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David Parker 10/25/13 - 02:47 pm
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The better question would be

The better question would be SHOULD the plaque have been removed had it referred to the horrors of slavery no?

dahreese
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dahreese 10/25/13 - 02:56 pm
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@David Parker; That was not
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@David Parker; That was not my question.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 10/25/13 - 03:10 pm
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Hey we can practice Obama's

Hey we can practice Obama's fairness doctrine and put on Imus tombstone when he passes-Don Imus One Nappy Headed Ho and Mean Ole Curmudgeon May he Rest in Peace. Karma.

teaparty
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teaparty 10/25/13 - 03:49 pm
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dahreese said, "@teaparty;
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dahreese said, "@teaparty; “Now I understand.”
No, you don’t. "
I understand more than you think.

David Parker
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David Parker 10/25/13 - 04:12 pm
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No offense dahreese,

I just found a better way to illustrate a point. You no likie?

Bizkit
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Bizkit 10/25/13 - 04:25 pm
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Remember watching the racist

Remember watching the racist movie Breakfast at Tiffany's with Mickey Rooney mocking the japanese. We must burn the movie. DC is filled with monuments that mention God or faith or some religious overtones and those words need to be x'd out like Ancient Egypt and some of their rulers. I think we need a law that grandfathers all historic plaques, etc. to stay as their are for historic faithfulness, but set standard for all future plaquest and monuments. Makes more sense than defacing building at the whim of political correctness. But Lord forbid we do something logical.

dahreese
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dahreese 10/25/13 - 06:28 pm
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@David Parker; I'm not
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@David Parker; I'm not offended, but my question is 'would' the memorial be removed if it described slavery?

I kinda doubt it.
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No, teaparty.

You haven't read the book and you don't understand.

teaparty
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teaparty 10/25/13 - 06:37 pm
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dahreese said, "No,
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dahreese said, "No, teaparty.
You haven't read the book and you don't understand."
I have read enough to know it is fiction it is not history. But I find it very interesting and will finish reading it.

Magginkat
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Magginkat 10/25/13 - 07:16 pm
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Amazing......

First of all a newspaper that seems to defend this vile statement and then all the people posting here in righteous indignation that it should be so easy to remove racist garbage from public display.

One thing I can say for the [filtered word]s is that they brought out the racism for full public display & are so proud of their accomplishments. It's nothing to be proud of Georgia.....not that "historical marker" and not the brazen racism. The Civil War is over. You lost. Get over it already.

dahreese
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dahreese 10/25/13 - 08:06 pm
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"I have read enough to know
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"I have read enough to know it is fiction it is not history. But I find it very interesting and will finish reading it."

OK. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

I admitted it is not "history", although the some of the setting is historical, especially around Darian.

And the author 'did' her homework regarding mistreatment of slaves on 'some' of those plantations.

I say "some" because, just as you cannot beat the daylights out of a mule and expect it to work the next day, you cannot do that to human beings (admitting that a lot of beatings and mistreatment of slaves (and Mexicans,, Blacks and Asians during the creation of our railroads), either.

The ending of the book is a total surprise; a stroke of good/great writing.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 10/25/13 - 08:21 pm
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We can't tolerate any relic

We can't tolerate any relic of racism so we need to ban the historic "black" colleges because they are predominately black=so much for Paine college. Then the Congressional "black" caucus is racist (its all black and must be disbanded or allow other ethnicities) and must be disbanded. You start that crap and you have to follow it to its logical end. Any plaque that mentions "God" must be removed because it is supporting a religion, but the lack of mention of "God" by default support atheism which the Supreme Court declared is a "religion" so we can't have that either. We can't have plaques.

dahreese
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dahreese 10/25/13 - 08:55 pm
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History is replete with
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History is replete with racism, religious bigotry, political corruption, human physical abuse, mental abuse, abuse of nature, greed, revenge - all well documented, but all still alive and doing well today.

"Justification" is not anything we want to deal with.

Slavery?

Just another way of making money of another guy's back, literally and figuratively.

"Lawd!, it ain't me!"

Stunned 2
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Stunned 2 10/26/13 - 08:18 am
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Racist? It seems to me that it shows that 'blacks' should find

Racist? It seems to me that that 'blacks' should find some peace knowing that many slaves walked around freely, were happy, and well feed. A historical marker with quotes - from an outsider - showing the kinder life of slaves should do their decedents good by easing their emotional distress. Slave ownership was a multi-racial business. Their owners included Caucasians, 'free' blacks, and Cherokee. Removing the marker is removing an important part of history.

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teaparty 10/26/13 - 09:16 am
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dahreese said, "I admitted it
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dahreese said, "I admitted it is not "history", although the some of the setting is historical"
Gone with Wind setting was also 'historical' perhaps we should refer to it as history also.

teaparty
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teaparty 10/26/13 - 09:51 am
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Stunned 2 said, "It seems to
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Stunned 2 said, "It seems to me that that 'blacks' should find some peace knowing that many slaves walked around freely, were happy, and well feed."
But that would defeat the purpose which is white 'guilt' over slavery. That' guilt' is how such a unqualified, incapable person was elected president.

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Stunned 2 10/26/13 - 10:59 am
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Most Southern 'Whites' were not Slave owners

Most Southern 'Whites' were not Slave owners in Pre-Civil War America. Our past history contains many horror stories - for the white indentured servant, child laborers, slaves, the working poor white farmer & factory worker. The removal of this marker is a racist move.

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Stunned 2 10/26/13 - 11:28 am
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During the recent Paula Deene crucifixon

During the recent Paula Deene Crucifixion - I watched a National African American TV broadcaster say 'Blacks can say the N-word, Get Used to it Whites - You can't say it'....on, the same broadcast that he was accusing Paula Deene of being a racist. That man should have been fired & tried.

dahreese
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dahreese 10/26/13 - 01:20 pm
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“dahreese said, "I admitted
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“dahreese said, "I admitted it is not "history", although the some of the setting is historical"
Gone with Wind setting was also 'historical' perhaps we should refer to it as history also.”

“Gone With the Wind” was not “historical.”

Any teaparty intellectually capable (if there is such a thing) understands the difference between ‘history’ and a ‘historical setting.’
That now leaves us with finding someone of the ‘teaparty’ who understands that difference.

Would you happen to know anyone?

teaparty
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teaparty 10/26/13 - 01:54 pm
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dahreese said, “Gone With the
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dahreese said, “Gone With the Wind” was not “historical.”
My point is fiction is fiction. While the setting of 'Gone with Wind' was "historical" I do not consider it history nor do I consider the novel "Lamb in His Bosom" history.

dahreese
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dahreese 10/26/13 - 02:01 pm
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Your ‘point’ is you don’t
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Your ‘point’ is you don’t know how to make your point.

You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth trying to play one-ups-man ship and posting things I didn’t say.

You’re not making a fool out of me, you’re making a fool out of yourself.

teaparty
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teaparty 10/26/13 - 03:11 pm
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Dahreese, sorry you got upset
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Dahreese, sorry you got upset but you were the one passing fiction off as history. I have seen this in some the schools as well.

teaparty
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teaparty 10/26/13 - 03:50 pm
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"You’re talking out of both
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"You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth trying to play one-ups-man ship and posting things I didn’t say."
"It's unfortunate that many of the posters above have not read the book, "Lamb in His Bosom" by Caroline Miller (some actual Georgia history).
dahreese, you wrote "Lamb in His Bosom" by Caroline Miller (some actual Georgia history)". I will accept your apology.

dahreese
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dahreese 10/26/13 - 03:52 pm
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Show me.
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Show me.

teaparty
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teaparty 10/26/13 - 04:10 pm
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dahreese, you tried to pass
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dahreese, you tried to pass fiction off as history and it didn't work. I will accept your apology.

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Stunned 2 10/26/13 - 04:55 pm
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To the Original Complantant (the lady that had it removed:

To the Original Complantant (the lady that had it removed: I've already forgotten your name, but I remember your internet post on the first article saying the words on that plaque should be 'like daggers to the hearts of everyone that reads it': You are wrong - The daggers and spears were flying over there in Africa - by African tribesmen that chased down the people of other tribes with daggers and spears, caught them, chained them, & sold them into slavery for monetary gain. Have you asked the decedents of the brutal Africans for apologies? Hey, you know what - I bet the descendants of those African slave traders that sold their own people, would trade places with any African-American today. The daggers in your heart are racially piercing.

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teaparty 10/26/13 - 05:54 pm
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Stunned 2 said, "You are
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Stunned 2 said, "You are wrong - The daggers and spears were flying over there in Africa - by African tribesmen that chased down the people of other tribes with daggers and spears, caught them, chained them, & sold them into slavery for monetary gain. Have you asked the decedents of the brutal Africans for apologies?"
Below is some very interesting reading on slavery in Africa. The people that talk continually about slavery are very well off but this is not about slavery. It is about white 'guilt' over slavery.
"Modern day slavery in Africa according to the Anti-Slavery Society includes exploitation of subjugate populations even when their condition is not technically called "slavery":"" Forced labor in Sub-Saharan Africa is estimated at 660,000.[3] This includes people involved in the illegal diamond mines of Sierra Leone and Liberia, which is also a direct result of the civil war in these regions"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_modern_Africa

Stunned 2
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Stunned 2 10/26/13 - 05:48 pm
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Yes, And, History repeats itself.

Yes, And, History repeats itself, Teaparty, here on the streets of Augusta. But, these days/nights it's 'Black on Black' crime with .38 specials. (unregistered guns) Too many African-Americans, Caucasians, & Asians, alike, allow themselves to be held hostage/slaves to Drug Lords for their Crack, Meth., Alcohol or would rather be held down (to the Government that freed them -) for their Welfare checks, Food-Stamps, SSI, public-housing, - by cheating 'the system'.

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