Who's being radical here?

Hyperbolic political rhetoric is burying fairness

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A caller to the Bill Bennett Morning in America radio show last Wednesday claimed Tea Party supporters are “anarchists” and want to bring down the government.

Ever the gentleman, Dr. Bennett patiently asked the caller where and who he had heard this from. The caller couldn’t cite any source.

We can: It came from the ether, where overheated rhetoric hovers like foul smog over our politics.

The hyperbole was particularly gaseous during the government shutdown. The left called conservative Americans, many of whom support the Tea Party agenda, “arsonists,” “jihadists” and “terrorists.” And, oh yeah, “anarchists.”

The rhetoric is delusional, dangerous, unproductive and unfair.

Remember a few years ago when Congresswoman Gabby Giffords and several others were shot by a deranged gunman in Tucson, Ariz.? The left and their compliant media immediately, almost reflexively, blamed conservatives and conservative rhetoric. As it turned out, of course, the shooting had nothing to do with that. But liberals nonetheless lectured conservatives about the perils of over-the-top verbiage.

Well, look who’s over the top now.

Atlanta editorialist Cynthia Tucker didn’t stop with Tea Party supporters. She blamed whites in general for the shutdown.

“I knew some whites would have difficulty w/ a browner America but didn’t know they’d wanna destroy the country over it,” she wrote in a posting on Twitter.

Wow. Neither did we!

All this blather has an effect – like convincing a radio caller that the goal is anarchy.

An Internet video this past week also showed that a number of people on the street even blame former President George W. Bush – who left office in 2009 – for this month’s government shutdown.

There’s little doubt that conservatives in Congress have tripped over themselves with their brinksmanship. This page, while supportive of the Tea Party’s ends, has criticized the recent tactics.

But, as a CNN reporter remarkably cautioned a biased CNN anchor recently: “Let’s be careful about using the term ‘radical,’ because a lot of those folks feel like they’re standing on principle today, even though they didn’t come out on top in this.”

Thank you.

In addition, how about some perspective? How about a little fairness? How about a little even-handedness?

Yes, again, even this page, which supports the Tea Party, disagrees with what their favorite congressmen did in the case of the shutdown. But is seeking a sane and moral budget – one that doesn’t immorally steal from future generations – really all that “radical”? Is it radical or extreme to ask the government to live within its means, as every one of our families must, in order to stave off bankruptcy and ruin?

Moreover, what about the folks on the other side of this dispute? Those who seek only to spend what we don’t have, who blindly support “borrowing” trillions from future generations, who risk bankrupting the country and perhaps someday collapsing the dollar (China is already pushing the world to leave the dollar behind)? Isn’t that more properly the radical position in this debate? They maintain, as Nancy Pelosi did recently, that there’s absolutely nothing to cut in the budget and that, in fact, the government needs more of our money.

That’s preposterous and insulting, and quite suicidal for the republic.

What happens when future generations are saddled with both our ongoing debt (about $17 trillion and counting) and the currently unfunded costs of Social Security and health care for future retirees (an estimated $90 trillion-plus)? What will their quality of life be? Or is ours so much more important than theirs?

We’d say that kind of indifference, neglect and injustice is the real radical position.

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deestafford
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deestafford 10/21/13 - 12:31 am
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I heard that call to Bill Bennett's program and like many people

who criticize the Tea Party do not know any one who is a Tea Party member, never talked to one or been to a rally. All their knowledge comes from leftists talking points or media propaganda.

Recently, a Yale or Harvard did a study and much to his amazement found the Tea Party members were more knowledgeable about science that the population as a whole. He couldn't understand this but then it dawned on him that he never met a TP member or knew anyone who had, nor did he watch Fox News. He like most of the left lived in that liberal bubble . These results caused him to begin to change how he looked at things.

The Tea Party is just asking for people to follow the Constitution as laid out by the Founders: personal responsibility, limited government, and lower taxes. The critics have no real answer to either of these three desires.

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Riverman1 10/21/13 - 04:20 am
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Cut To The Chase

Let’s cut through everything. Who is right? The Tea Party or those who criticize them? We can’t keep coming up with more give away programs when we can’t pay the bills now without printing billions of phony dollars. Let’s stay on subject. The left knows the Tea Party has valid concerns and seeks to destroy them with lies saying they are racists and anarchists when THEY are actually the ones bravely trying to save this country.

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gaflyboy 10/21/13 - 05:18 am
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You're right DS

According to POLITICO, the professor you referred to ended by saying "the results wouldn’t change his negative views of the tea party".

And this is a Yale law professor teaching some of our brightest students!

Yes RM1, the Democrats and establishment Republicans alike fear the Tea Party. They are a threat to the corrupt status quo.

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carcraft 10/21/13 - 05:57 am
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I read Maureen Dowd Column

I read a Maureen Dowd Column yesterday and found some things interesting. This is supposedly a "intellectual" and she was trying to distance Obama from Obama care. She found his aloofness disconcerting. His intellect so powerful he was bored with the presidency. I found Obama to be petty closing parts, evicting people from their homes on leased federal property and the Like. Many of the comments were equally telling. Most of those who entered comments found Obama deep, insightful, and very intellectual and honest. Yet I find many of Obama's speech's to be lacking in truth and reality. A good example is a recent speech during which he talked about global warming. They just didn't realize he was either ignorant or lied or very lazy in his preparation when he gave a speech and said the so called Global warming had increased more rapidly than expected in the last 10 years. The list of these kind of statements Obama has made are long. Even those that read the New York times as their only source of news should realize that the editor has criticized the Obama administration for being so closed and hindering journalists in getting sources. One reporter commented this is the most closed uptight administration he can ever remember. Alliances we have had in the mid east are crumbling and Obama and his administration is clueless. Obama in Libya is a failure, that country is spiraling into chaos. Obama's position on Syria is in shambles. Every comment in the New York times praised Obama in these areas. The right and the left really do see America through two different prisms!

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TrukinRanger 10/21/13 - 06:47 am
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Who's being radical here?
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Who's being radical here? Teapublicans. They purposely shut down the government because they didn't get their way.

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Truth Matters 10/21/13 - 06:51 am
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As one poster responded to my

As one poster responded to my comment recently, ""Pot, meet Kettle."

I can agree with some of the underlying precepts of the Tea Party. Like Mitt Romney, I do not want to pay one cent more in taxes than legally required.

So what do signs showing the president looking like an African Witch Doctor or his family looking like monkeys have to do with lowering taxes?

The TP, I am sure is made up of many law abiding citizens who believe that they stand on the principle of fairer, and maybe less taxes. I think the Rep's saw the TP as a vehicle to win elections and with it came some, not all, unsavory characters who went more and more over the top with racially-tinged comments and depictions of the President and his family. When some on the left begged the Reps establishment to call them out for their actions, the response was, " I can't tell people what to say."

It's not about telling people what to say, but doing what John McCain did when he took the microphone from a lady at his rally when she declared that Obama was an Arab. "No, Ma'am, he is a decent man who loves his family but I disagree with him on policies."

Now we have a situation where some on the left have concluded that had the Reps stood up to the mean-spirited vitriol sooner, the hostile environment that was fertile for the shutdown would not have occurred.

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nocnoc 10/21/13 - 07:05 am
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Have the Liberals have become the Real Fascists,

Racists, and Hate Speakers?

A group which started out in the 70's as a Environmentally friendly, Peace, and getting along with others has so drastically changed and been co-opted by radicals, that it has nothing to do with the original groups goals, efforts and causes.

A point of Self Reflection and Re-Evaluation is long overdue by those that make up such groups.

It might startle you to hear.
But most conservatives want sensible Environmental rules, Peace not war, and yes to get along with others that respect each others differences. An I can point out many, many factual examples of this.

But when LIBERAL EXTREMISTS DEMAND I change to meet their LATEST wishes, or DEMAND I give up my rights.

DEMAND I pay over 1/2 to 75% of my income in taxes and want to make me a SLAVE BY THEIR DEMANDS.

DEMAND I accept blame for something 150+ years ago.

And DEMAND I capitulate 1st to start negotiations

NO, I will not be a peaceful,
NO I will not get along with such extremists.
NO I will follow anyone operating outside the US Constitution.

YES I will politically fight such Extremists.

ymnbde
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ymnbde 10/21/13 - 07:24 am
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perhaps, once, for a fleeting moment

their enemies were ignorance and racism and poverty
perhaps not, as history has revealed
now their goals are simply maintenance
of the bureaucracy to keep the ignorant, ignorant
of the bureaucracy to keep the divided, divided
of the bureaucracy to keep the poor, poor
for therein lies their true and only power
any government bureaucracy becomes parasitic
they've failed at education, and by their own justice department's measure of strictly numerical differences
their education department and system is racist
and they've squandered enough money to end poverty
so all they have left is name calling
they're really good at that

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 10/21/13 - 07:35 am
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"So what do signs showing the
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"So what do signs showing the president looking like an African Witch Doctor or his family looking like monkeys have to do with lowering taxes?"

Show us one, truth matters. And when you do, how about you prove it was a TEA Party member that made the sign. And for that matter... what does accusing the TEA Party of racism, when you have zero evidence have to do with ANYTHING?

Bodhisattva
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Bodhisattva 10/21/13 - 07:47 am
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Tea Party Nation-Hate Group
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$90 trillion plus? Just throw out a number into infinity. What about our military. There's no taxes dedicated to it yet it costs into infinity as well. SS and Medicare? Lift the cap and count all monies coming in as income. For that matter, count all monies the same for tax purposes as well. If some guy works his rear end off in a factory, pulling overtime, working nights and weekends, and brings home $150,000, make the guy who sits on his rear end and inherited a bunch of stock and brings in $150,000 a year in dividends pay the same rate a the guy who works PLUS Social Security and Medicare.

Just part of a stream of tweets from Judson Phillips, head of Tea Party Nation, Hate Group. The propaganda piece of the GOP, The Augusta Chronicle, never tells the whole story. They leave out key parts that fill you in on so you know the truth, not just the right wing version. You might also want to mention that both right wing and left wing talk radio shows have been found to have paid plants as call in guests. Don't believe that any of them are real.

"You live in Texas and you are a part of the Party of Treason? What a jackass you are."
"Krispee Kreme Tub o' lard Chris Christie now says he wants instate tuition for illegal aliens. "
"Just like your hero Hitler, repeating the big lie"
"Just another clueless idiot liberal. They love promoting tyranny, poverty and occasionally mass murder"
"Just added a new discussion on Tea Party Nation: It is time for civil disobedience"
"
Democrats, AKA the Party of Treason blocks funding 4 Veterans in the House. #shame on you, you d**n traitors! "

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 10/21/13 - 08:23 am
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Bod....since you accuse the
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Bod....since you accuse the AC of not telling the whole story....we will be waiting for you to post the tweets of the liberal hate groups. I doubt you will though.

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deestafford 10/21/13 - 08:37 am
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Many on the left want to say how smart Obama is; yet, there

is no evidence of his intellect. We have no transcript of his grades. We have no IQ scores. He cannot make a speech or short talk without a teleprompter on which words written by someone else appear. (Remember when the prompter wouldn't start and he couldn't even begin the short speech?) Anytime he speaks without a teleprompter it is full of "uhh's". His responses to questions are overly long and rambling which shows the lack of ability to be concise and relevant to the subject. His speeches are hollow and really mean nothing when you get behind the words.

This man is far from being an intellect. The only time he is the smartest in the room is when he is in there by himself...unless maybe Joe Biden is there with him.

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Riverman1 10/21/13 - 08:42 am
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Tea Party Is Inclusive of All Who Want to Balance the Budget

The funny thing is the Tea Party is not really an organized party. It's a grass roots organization of Republicans and some Democrats based on cutting spending. Whites and blacks are supporters.

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Riverman1 10/21/13 - 08:45 am
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factory worker making $150,000

Bod, the factory worker making $150,000 a year wants to be able to invest his money in stocks and not have large amounts of his profits taxed, too. That I'd bet on.

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deestafford 10/21/13 - 08:46 am
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I really don't believe the majority of the left, and I think

this is the case with our liberal commenters here, really understand what the Tea Party is and what it says it is. I think they are relying on what they hear others on their side say it is. With that in mind, I'd like these commenters list what they think the Tea Party is and from where they source their information.

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Bizkit 10/21/13 - 09:02 am
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Paid plants you mean like our

Paid plants you mean like our on Georgia boy Chad Henderson who admitted to lying about getting Obamacare-he was likely paid too-Right. I bet the Dems pay racist to go to teaparty events just like Bod says they do. We do know it is documented and admitted by the Daily KOS they pay contributors for their biased opinions. Using anecdotal Tweets to make an argument is really sad-people Tweet and Facebook idiotic stuff all the time. What is funny it that lack of logic of the Tea Party argument. These are run of mill conservatives (Mom's and Pop's) like a majority of Americans for decades-not radicals. You can easily argue that Obama's "fundamental change" is a very radical shift from traditional social and political views. The whole idea of wealth redistribution will destroy our country because it is untenable. Nancy Pelosi admits we can only spend and no place to cut so she admits to maintaining the status quo and path to having our credit rating drop as warned if we don't do anything. Obama, Pelosi, and the Dems seem hell bound to intentionally lower our credit rating as Fitch stated would happen. The tea party was pathetic but they are trying to raise awareness of Obama's driving us off the fiscal cliff. Polls indicate people are listening and uncomfortable with his spending-even my progressive friends lament they don't understand him either.

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Humble Angela 10/21/13 - 09:04 am
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You want them to source their
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You want them to source their information? Heaven forfend!

Bizkit
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Bizkit 10/21/13 - 09:10 am
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Obama isn't an educated

Obama isn't an educated man-he is an indoctrinated man. He was indoctrinated from his childhood experience, had issues with his admitted drug usage (the interceptor), and his "education" wasn't a balanced intellectual journey but seeking a specific ideology education-he admits to seeking out communist, etc. I feel confident he lied (like usual) about being born in Kenya as a education scam. He is a pseudointellectual egomaniac who sees his job as president as not to serve the sheeple he has disdain but to transform America into "his vision"-that fundamental change nonsense. Obama is really a mentally unstable individual (as a psychiatrist mentioned recently) and his egomania could be dangerous-sort of a modern Nero.

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teaparty 10/21/13 - 09:14 am
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deestafford said, "The few
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deestafford said, "The few offensive signs that have appeared most often shown to be done by leftists infiltrating the rally trying to appear as a TP member."
I have attended several Tea Party rallies and have never seen any offensive signs or behavior.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 10/21/13 - 09:25 am
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Well hispanic make up 13-15%

Well hispanic make up 13-15% of population, blacks 13-15% of population so thirty percent of the Dems voting base is problematic because Dems lament these populations are generally poor and under educated. Averaging there low intellect with the rest of Dems would drag down their intelligence quota way down. LOL> Studies indicate people with low intellect often are racist, so Dems have a huge racism issue statistically from studies.

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teaparty 10/21/13 - 09:31 am
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The movie 2016 Obama's
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The movie 2016 Obama's America by conservative author and commentator Dinesh D'Souza does a great job of documenting Obama's radical past.

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rmwhitley 10/21/13 - 09:34 am
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Powerful
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editorial. cynthia tucker and the ajc ( Anne Cox) are in the pockets of obama and kasim reed. Their (obama, reed ) best friend, kwame kilpatrick, was just sent to prison for 28 years. Why? CORRUPTION. Hiel(sic) obama!

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faithson 10/21/13 - 09:35 am
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mentally unstable

just when the editorial tries to make a point, someone comes in and proves the exact counter point, that being that our duly elected democratic President is "really a mentally unstable individual (as a psychiatrist mentioned recently) and his egomania could be dangerous-sort", pretty much what the left has to say about most who are the 'face' of the tea party.

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Humble Angela 10/21/13 - 09:44 am
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faithson
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How many of those on the left, that you talked to are certified psychaitrist, and back up the statements with specific examples of unstable behavior?

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harley_52 10/21/13 - 09:44 am
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The ACES Wants It Both Ways....

You can't be both a true supporter of Conservatism AND unwilling to make a stand in support of Conservative principles. That's a lesson we've learned all too well over the past century and especially during the last two Presidential elections.

We aren't seventeen trillion dollars in debt because Conservatives haven't been willing to compromise. We don't have half the citizenry of the Country on some sort of state sponsored welfare because Conservatives have been unwilling to compromise. We haven't just agreed to fund Obamacare, a program we KNOW will devastate the Nation because we've been too firm in standing up for Conservative ideals and principles.

We either support Conservatism and its goals (low taxes, small government) or we don't. Becoming all squishy when the chips are down is not a recipe for success. Wars aren't won by being on defense, or by making accommodations and deals with the enemy.

The Tea Party isn't "radical" just because left-wing politicians and their compliant media says so. It is NOT "radical" to stand up for your principles. If there are any "radicals" to be seen here it is those who have nearly destroyed this Country via liberalism. It is time they were stopped and you can't stop them by being squishy and accommodating.

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grouse 10/21/13 - 09:46 am
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What hypocrisy! You want
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What hypocrisy! You want hyperbole? Listen to Limbaugh or O'Reilly...

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David Parker 10/21/13 - 09:47 am
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yeah like anything coming

yeah like anything coming from the Gop or Dems or their spawn suggests anarchy. Try the polar opposite of anarchy and you're spot on.

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InChristLove 10/21/13 - 09:49 am
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(TM) "So what do signs

(TM) "So what do signs showing the president looking like an African Witch Doctor or his family looking like monkeys have to do with lowering taxes?"

What about the T-Shirts with President Bush with elephants ears and the one with a Chimp with his face that says Chimpeach!. What about the fire starter set with Bush's face titled "Burning Bush". Then there's the one making fun of having the shoe thrown at him.

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Bizkit 10/21/13 - 10:08 am
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The lies of Dems is pathetic.

The lies of Dems is pathetic. First the senator voted most liberal was suddenly a moderate. All the denials and ad hominem how ridiculous that Obama is a liberal. Then the denial he was socialist initially and all the ad hominem with that accusation, then finally agreeing and celebrating he is a socialist. Now to the socialism the more specific accusation that he is communist (even after admitting he sought the ideology) and denials. So my guess next it will be celebrated that Obama is the first "communist" president. Course now the media will not paint him a radial communist , deny it, and attack those that propose it-time is not right for this revelation.

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Bizkit 10/21/13 - 10:14 am
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I just can't believe the

I just can't believe the Democratic party has been taken over by socialist in general and a significant fraction of communist socialist. But then again fundamentalist christians took over the Rep party for awhile. So I guess political parties are subject to ideologues. We need a moderate president. I can't support a socialist Dem party nor can i support a Rep party that has no identity. It's not that I don't want to vote, but I don't even have any choice. Women have choice, why not me.

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