Burned

Incendiary tactics scorched conservative brand, inflamed voters

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With the help of nearsighted Republicans who stepped up to the plate and whiffed over and over, Democrats just pitched a shutout against the GOP.

Let’s take a look at the box score from the GOP’s self-imposed shellacking.

In instigating the shutdown, conservative Republicans risked being massively unpopular around the country – and risked a lot of people’s livelihoods – because they wanted to block Obamacare and maybe extract some spending cuts from the spend-happy Democrats.

They got nothing except two big black eyes just a year from the all-important midterm elections – and they ended up with more spending, not less: Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell ran into the Treasury Wednesday night and grabbed some $2 billion in pork for his old Kentucky home.

Nice example of what’s destroying the country, senator!

Meanwhile, conservatives such as Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas self-immolated to make a point nobody got. They tried to prove how awful Obamacare is, but only managed to make themselves look awful while perversely helping obscure the fact that Obamacare is a train wreck.

In the process, they managed to singe their colleagues and scorch the Republican, conservative and Tea Party brands.

Nice work! You managed to have it all blow up in your faces, while boosting President Obama’s image and doing what he could not: to make Obamacare look better than it is.

Look, we appreciate the conservatives’ principles – and history will show they were right. In principle.

But their flame-throwing tactics have only incensed the very voters they will need to put those principles into action.

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specsta
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specsta 10/18/13 - 02:21 am
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Time for Something Different

Face it, the Republican-Tea Party mindset is old, cold, and full of mold. Their conservative rubbish is ready for the trash bin.

Meanness and greed aren't exactly very good motivators. Folks are tired of the "bless the wealthy" and "distress the poor" attitude of the Republican cabal.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 10/18/13 - 04:58 am
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Realization Will Come

It's actually rewarding to know you are on the right side before others get it. Sooner or later, it’s going to come to folks that the Republicans simply want to get our spending under control and the Democrats want to spend more. That’s the reality and what Cruz and Co. are all about. It’s not some vague idea that Republicans don’t like the poor and the Democrats do. It’s about paying the bills and ensuring the future of the country. I have to believe that some even in the Democratic Party are going to have a realization that we can’t go on like this. You can only buy votes with other people’s money for so long. The realization is coming soon enough, one way or another.

carcraft
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carcraft 10/18/13 - 05:36 am
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I think this editor little

I think this editor is a little to pessimistic! As the Affordable Care Act continues to spin out of control and collapse the Republicans are on the record as doing EVERY THING they could to stop it or delay it. In Alaska 2 yes TWO people have signed up for it. $600 million and 3 years for a web site that is humiliating to say the least. The web site is easy to hack from what I have read. Criminals and illegal aliens as navigators. Increasing premiums, copays and deductibles for those who already have insurance. The Democrats are going to have to live with this. The Republicans need to capitalize on it. Obama has been proven to be a lying petty little man instead of the cool intellectual. All these are wins for the Republicans!

GACopprhed
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GACopprhed 10/18/13 - 05:42 am
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Way to spin, Carcraaft! It's
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Way to spin, Carcraaft! It's not unusual for big programs to have glitches at first, and as time goes on, the ACA will be seen as a good thing. Insurance companies are the most responsible for the out of control health care costs, and it amazes me that scare tactics work so easily on Republicans. They would rather pay outrageous premiums than have Democrats and especially Obama "win". They don't even realize that a working ACA could be a win for them.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 10/18/13 - 05:44 am
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Yeah, but you know when the

Yeah, but you know when the ACA does crash and burn, somehow it's going to be the Republicans fault. Somehow Conservatives caused this. Sad thing is, once people realize how awful this is, and begin to see President Obama for what he really is, he will be out of office sitting fat and sassy with income and benefits for life. He'll just turn his nose up to those faithful followers and we ALL will be left with trying to hold all the pieces together.

myfather15
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myfather15 10/18/13 - 05:57 am
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Riverman

"I have to believe that some even in the Democratic Party are going to have a realization that we can’t go on like this. You can only buy votes with other people’s money for so long. The realization is coming soon enough, one way or another."

No, we can't go on like this forever. This Country is NOT too big to fail!! Many Countries are hoping we do just that, fail!! If we keep spending as if we have no debt, we will ruin ourselves!! But, I believe this is the intention of the far left. Nothing they do, makes us a stronger Country, nothing!!! As a matter of fact, what they do is suppose to "level the playing field" with the other Countries. How is is leveling the playing field? By making us weaker; that's the only way to level it.

They are working hard at destroying us FROM WITHIN!! It was a brilliant plan and it's working because the people are stupid and listen to propaganda and lying rhetoric!! Ben Franklin said "When people find they can vote themselves money, it will herald an end to the republic."

He was right!!! The people have become shallow, greedy and self-centered!! They now vote for who PROMISES them the most freebies!!! The Republic is on it's last leg!! 16.9 Trillion and CLIMBING people!! This is unsustainable!!

InChristLove
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InChristLove 10/18/13 - 06:14 am
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"Insurance companies are the

"Insurance companies are the most responsible for the out of control health care costs, and it amazes me that scare tactics work so easily on Republicans. They would rather pay outrageous premiums than have Democrats and especially Obama "win". They don't even realize that a working ACA could be a win for them."

What is so amazing is that some are so blind. It is not the cost of the insurance that is the issue because so many are blind by the "subsidies" they will be getting to help pay for it. No one really sees the underlying cost so they don't worry about it. It is the sticker shock that comes later when you realize the outrageous copays and out of pocket expense that is required to be paid is digging into your empty pockets. So many are just looking at the surface and never really see what is swirling around underneath.....

chascushman
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chascushman 10/18/13 - 06:40 am
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"Yeah, but you know when the
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"Yeah, but you know when the ACA does crash and burn, somehow it's going to be the Republicans fault."
No it will be George Bush's fault.

chascushman
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chascushman 10/18/13 - 06:48 am
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"So many are just looking at
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"So many are just looking at the surface and never really see what is swirling around underneath....."
you need common sense for that and liberals have very little

carcraft
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carcraft 10/18/13 - 06:51 am
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Right GACopperhead! From

Right GACopperhead! From what I have read if is the architecture of the program . Here we are two weeks out and no end in sight ! Even fixing the program doesn't change the effects of cost changes that are increasing premiums , deductibles and co-pays!! Nice attempt at as spin to reality!

TrukinRanger
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TrukinRanger 10/18/13 - 06:59 am
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All major programs have
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All major programs have glitches at the start. They will eventually be worked out. Just imagine at all the people that went to the ACA website on day 1... day 2... day 3... just to look around. The more people that go to a website at once just slows the system down and any glitches are just made worse. Once the people going there to poke around and purposely find problems quit going in there... things will start to get better with it.

gaflyboy
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gaflyboy 10/18/13 - 07:22 am
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With respect ACES

“But their flame-throwing tactics have only incensed the very voters they will need to put those principles into action.”

Unfortunately, at this point, a flame-thrower is exactly what it will take to stop the government from playing Santa Clause with our money and destroying the country.

By your logic, the only way we will get “the very voters they need” is to give in to whatever reckless demands Democrats make. If that’s the case, why don’t we just elect all Democrats?

What we need to do is “put those principals into action” every chance we get. Having a small group in Congress doing that shows voters that someone up there is serious for a change and they will vote out the McCain’s, McConnell’s, Graham’s and Isakson’s.

Yes, right now Democrats are organized and the Republicans are split. History shows that eventually, it will be the other way around again. Republicans will decide if they want to really a course correction or if they want the status quo (as Pelosi said “it doesn’t matter so much who wins the election”)

Yes, the ACA will most likely collapse under its own weight. The problem is, that it is already taking our economy under with it and it’s not even January yet!

It’s time to quit thinking that the time to fight back is … tomorrow.

nocnoc
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nocnoc 10/18/13 - 07:29 am
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They at least they Voted as promised to get elected.

At some point in the future we will be reminded that a stand was taken and the Good Olde Boys in both parties avoided doing something to put America on a fiscally sound path and footing.

ymnbde
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ymnbde 10/18/13 - 07:31 am
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we are all poor black children now...

because the bureaucracy yet lives, thrives
the tea party is still organizing
and is starting to realize its potential
like the third estate taking the tennis court oath
we shall overcome
black children read at several grade levels lower than white children
democrats have controlled education for generations
democrats have spent hundreds of billions of dollars
on education
yet black children remain uneducated and democrats block school choice
and school choice is the only way to educate our children
(rich people prove that)
according to the media, they go hungry in the summer
and are cold in the winter
the school their only haven
yet they are not educated, not in spite of democat control
but because of it
the democrats love control more than they love black children
it isn't totally on purpose, it isn't totally due to incompetence
but those who do it on purpose depend on the incompetent
the shut-down, actually, was a total success
no one was harmed
but when the middle class sees the quality and accessibility of their health care
harmed
they will revolt
when the young are taxed for a service they don't need
they will revolt
and they will remember who did this to them
and who went as far as shutting down the government to protect them
welcome to the tea party
(oh, hey copperhead!
how will the increase in the ratio
of patients to doctors
do no harm)

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 10/18/13 - 07:40 am
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POV

Usually, Chronicle editorials are the opinion of the editorial staff. Notice how this particular editorial stands out as being different. That's because it is the point of view of the publisher. The publisher is the recipient of tens of millions of dollars of county government subsidies over the years. That's hardly conservative, so that's why this editorial bashes conservatism and conservative Republicans. The RINOs are taking over the party. They might as well change the mascot from elephant to rhinoceros.

soapy_725
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soapy_725 10/18/13 - 08:06 am
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Only one party in America. The Party of Totalitarian Government
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Not new. We have been working on it for about 10 decades. About the same amount of years since we decided to "rule the world". Just like Queen Victoria. Next we had King Wilson. Then King Roosevelt. And all of the successive KINGS in the "off white house"

GACopprhed
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GACopprhed 10/18/13 - 08:15 am
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I would like to pose several
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I would like to pose several questions, please answer them in a civil manner.
1. What if the ACA doesn't fail?
2. Under the premise that insurance premiums are a large part of the rising health care costs, how would you lower those premiums?
3. How is profit taking a GOOD thing for health insurance?
ymnbde, the same question asked will receive the same answer. You may not like the answer, but that doesn't concern me, you won't be happy with any answer that doesn't fit your mindset. Please stop asking it.
Tea Party followers, you are deluding yourselves if you take anything from this debacle as a victory. The nation and your own party are abandoning you, because you have gone to extremes, have damages the country as a whole and have hurt thousands and thousands of American workers. Ted Cruz, this morning, despite the fact that the answer to his demands was a resounding NO, continues to refuse to accept responsibility for the damage he's done, not only to the country, but his party and candidates who are in current races. Check the polls in the Virginia governor's race. We Democrats don't mind that he's turning the Republican Party into the laughingstock of the nation, but truthfully, we NEED two parties, because absolute power corrupts, absolutely.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 10/18/13 - 08:20 am
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The Rep party got hurt the

The Rep party got hurt the tea party is likely growing with discontent and numbers. Why the Rep would want to stop the individual mandate is stupid. The implementation of the individual mandate will be reflected in the coming election as a landslide against Dems because of it. So they always shoot the messenger, and the Dems assault team are the best, but the message got out-no one seems to like the ACA and few support the President in his extravagant deficit spending (except one year he cut it in half). I know people adore Obama but if you poll the same population about his policies-they hate them. Sooner or later they will figure it out. Even Liberal democrat Alan Derschowitz is rallying against Obama now. Dershowitz paints MoveOn.org and Obama as radicals bad for the country. And this from a Democrat like Alan.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 10/18/13 - 08:28 am
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The ACA is a poor plan and

The ACA is a poor plan and because the SCOTUS allows the "opting" out it has lost its ability to save costs. It was broken from the start, and every computer expert and even talk show host who adore Obama are making fun of their three year on-line effort failure. I think everyone wants to save cost in health care, but this purely Dem ACA plan isn't cutting it and is too progressive when it needs to be liberal. Rather than common sense changes we see this planned huge upfront cost and building a bureaucracy and decades later savings. We don't have the money upfront and we need the savings NOW. I should state my caveat is even if Dems and Reps work together on a health care plan I still don't believe they would succeed. They have proven with impunity they are all idiots in Congress after this idiotic political stunt.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 10/18/13 - 08:46 am
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Copper i would love for the

Copper i would love for the ACA to save me money, but it is doubling my health insurance. Why would I support something that equates to another mortgage payment or more? The govt mandates for minimum care are great but they are driving up the cost of premiums-they govt mandated it without a means to pay for high costs. Now they want everyone to pay it if you make over 92K with no subsidies, but what family of 4 making 92K a year can afford a 1200 premium 7200 deductible cost. My wife doesn't have to provide health care insurance for her employees but she does but now the increase cost is forcing her to tell her employees to go to the exchanges but they will qualify for subsidies. Her overhead is already 60% and this is a coffin nail.

Michael Ryan
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Michael Ryan 10/18/13 - 08:49 am
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"I think this editor is a

"I think this editor is a little to pessimistic!"

Carcraft, I gave you a thumbs up on this. I hope you're right!

GACopprhed
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GACopprhed 10/18/13 - 08:51 am
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Bizkit, can you consider that
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Bizkit, can you consider that it's not the ACA that's raising premiums, but the insurance companies? The original idea of it was to lower costs by offering a "government option. That option would have put something back into the equation that has been removed by the insurance and healthcare industries; TRUE competition. Competition lowers prices, but if examined, you will find the same or close premiums across the board for similar insurance polices. I found that to be the case when several years ago, I tried to get insurance. The is NO real competition in the market. Insurance companies began raising premiums before any part of the ACA went into effect, and while making BILLIONS of dollars of profit in a quarter, THREE MONTHS
, they raised premiums by 35% citing raising healthcare costs. In colloquial terms of the young, I call Bull Hockey. The primary and largest increase in healthcare costs HAVE been rising insurance premiums. If your premiums are going up, look at the company providing the insurance, and frankly, look to see if your employer is really trying to do the right thing for you, or is protecting HIS profits at your cost. My employers are EXCELLENT, rewarding me for my efforts with raises. They haven't lowered my salary, citing their need to protect profits, but gave me a raise, citing that it was my efforts that helped them make their money. THAT is the way employers should treat the workers who are mainly responsible for the money they make.

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jimmymac 10/18/13 - 08:51 am
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BIZKIT
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Well said. When the full affects of ACA hits home the dems will scurry like cock roaches trying to get away from it. Remember who foisted this on us in the next election.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 10/18/13 - 08:51 am
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I agree we need at least two

I agree we need at least two parties for balance but the problem is they are killing the Rep party and growing a new party= the tea party. I'd just as soon keep the Rep party. I see the Rep party will have to split with the ultra conservative going with the Tea Party and more moderate and liberal Rep go with a new Rep party without all the fundamentalist and radicals. I know Dems want to destroy the Rep party (and vice versa) but I don't think they realize that a new party will inevitably arise and I just as soon it not be the tea party. Nothing against the tea party but this last stunt was idiotic.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 10/18/13 - 08:54 am
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Profit

GACopprhed asked, “How is profit taking a GOOD thing for health insurance?”

LL answers, “Profits are good because they allow the owners of companies to be able to evaluate their business operations. They encourage efficiencies in operations. They allow expansion, either in the same field or into new fields.”

Bizkit
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Bizkit 10/18/13 - 08:58 am
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I agree Copper the insurance

I agree Copper the insurance companies are raising premiums but why did Obama remove the mandated maximum out of pocket cost for the insured. Seems the govt is giving the insurance companies and pharmaceuticals all the advantages when they should have been addressing the advantages they already have. My health insurance went up about $150 for this year but next year the ACA approved plan my cost will be $1200 a month with 7k deductible. Dang I could just put in a HSA account and come out better. I have had employer insurance but my wife has personal insurance and has been paying extravagant premiums for years for personal health care insurance. If you aren't in a group you are screwed.

harley_52
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harley_52 10/18/13 - 09:13 am
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I Think The ACES....

...has spent too much time listening to Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Chris Mathews, and the rest of the "let's smear the Tea Party" crowd.

Obamacare is bad law. It is being (and will continue to be) poorly executed. It will bankrupt American citizens and cause misery and death among them. It may well be the final straw in destroying our Economy and it may bring down our government. The President and democrats in congress told bald-face lies to get it thru Congress and passed it into law without a single Republican vote. People have no clue what's about to befall them. When they finally realize what's happened they will (and should) punish those who conceived it and those who let it happen. Cruz and company tried to stop it, or even slow it down. They will be vindicated.

The President is not a King. Congress has a role to play in the process of spending taxpayer money. Some elements in Congress attempted to do their job, cowards in their party abandoned them in the face of extreme pressure from the democrats and from their co-conspirators in the Press.

When the history is written, Senator Cruz will be seen as a visionary, a leader, a man of principle, and a hero. The nattering naybobs of negativity (including the ACES) will wish they'd taken the RIGHT (and correct) side of this issue.

karradur
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karradur 10/18/13 - 09:18 am
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@harley_52

"People have no clue what's about to befall them."

What is about to befall them, exactly?

How will the PPACA cause "misery and death"?

Can you be specific?

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