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Neither faith nor credit

Shutdown's collateral damage further disgraces government

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There have been 17 partial government shutdowns over the years, but this one feels different.

It feels much worse.

We suspect that’s for several reasons.

First, the economy was already weakened, and consumers and businesses alike were already fearful for the future under a health care law that is causing insurance premiums to skyrocket.

Obamacare also appears to be suppressing full-time jobs. Andy Puzder, the CEO of CKE Restaurants Inc. parent company of Carl’s Jr. and Hardee’s, noted this week that the country created 833,000 part-time jobs in the first six months of this year, but only 736,000 net jobs – meaning we actually lost 97,000 full-time jobs.

That’s likely due to the fact that, once fully implemented, Obamacare disincentivizes businesses from hiring full-time workers by requiring employers of 50 or more to provide workers health insurance.

Whatever your politics,
financial guru Dave Ramsey said recently, you’re not exempt from math.

“It’s very simple,” Puzder added. “If you increase the cost of something, businesses will use less of it. If you decrease the cost, they will use more of it. So if you increase the cost of full-time employment, there will be (fewer) full-time employees. If you decrease the cost of part-time employment, you’ll have more part-time employment.”

Thus, the government slowdown is just one more drag on a sluggish economy.

And while less government spending would generally be a good thing, a sudden indiscriminate, unthinking halt to funding is not. The pain of the Republican-inspired shutdown is made worse by an Executive Branch that seems intent on punishing Americans in order to make the Republicans look as bad as possible.

Some people get that: Activists last weekend took down barriers to outdoor memorials in Washington and laid them at the foot of the White House as an act of protest.

Meanwhile, the National Park Service hasn’t just stood down; it’s also put up barriers and closed entrances to outdoor parks around the country – when it would’ve been cheaper not to.

Such unnecessary, spiteful acts on the part of our government have cost untold amounts of money for mom-and-pop businesses that cater to tourists in and around our national parks, while denying Americans the beauty and benefit of those parks. And at a time of the year when many of them are in full regalia.

Shame on this government for haughtily acting as if these lands are its own, and not ours.

The shutdown’s ripples roll far past the parks. Augusta’s 21st annual Boshears SkyFest, originally scheduled for this weekend, was postponed until next April 26-27 because the Federal Aviation Administration was unable to approve the paperwork.

Frequent Las Vegas performer Frank Sinatra once joked that his luck was so bad that he drove to the Grand Canyon and it was closed. It was such a preposterous notion that it got a great laugh. Well, it actually was closed by this government, and it’s not at all funny. One Arizona mayor told a House committee hearing Wednesday that his small town alone had lost hundreds of thousands of dollars, while turning away tourists from all over the world.

The polls show it, the shutdown’s collateral damage shows it, the economy shows it, and someday the nation’s creditors may spell it out: This government is a disgrace.

With the government’s debt ceiling supposedly reached as of today, the term “full faith and credit” has been tossed around a lot.

Faith and credit? Does Washington deserve either?

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bubbasauce
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bubbasauce 10/17/13 - 03:16 am
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I can't wait until the

I can't wait until the elections next year!

GACopprhed
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GACopprhed 10/17/13 - 03:42 am
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Yes, Democrats will take the
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Yes, Democrats will take the House, also! Maybe the immigration bill and a budget will be passed.

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justus4 10/17/13 - 04:22 am
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In the US military after a
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In the US military after a training event, there is something called a After Actions Review (AAR) where leaders evaluate & identify their performance of specific tasks - who executed well and who failed to execute. In the case of this gov't shutdown, it would be smart to properly identify WHOM is directly responsible; the radical right! Yes, the article mentions "Republican-inspired" but don't give details. It would be like firemen arriving at a burning building and a guy with a gas can & matches, who is hiding in the bushes, is told to move on and go home. That would be wrong. Likewise, properly IDing the culprits in the shutdown will prevent us from traveling this road again. It was the radical republican!

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Riverman1 10/17/13 - 05:08 am
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Public May Eventually Get It...Hopefully

Republicans can start on day one trying to reach an agreement with the Democrats to cut entitlements and spending, yet it will drag on past the deadline. How can things turn out any differently ever? Democrats don't believe in cutting entitlements and will burn the trailer steps for firewood. Pretty simple and maybe the remaining sane American public will eventually get it.

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GACopprhed 10/17/13 - 05:42 am
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So, as cited by this
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So, as cited by this editorial, more workers are being hired part-time, which means many of them now will need assistance to feed themselves and their families, just to save large profits by these billion/million dollar corporations. So, once more those corporations are expecting you and me to subsidize their profits. Economics says that, the more you sell, the more money you make. Lowering prices helps sell more, and in the long run the same, or more profit is made. Myriad studies have also shown that happy, healthy, employees produce more, are less likely to change jobs. This means that rehire/training costs are reduced, meaning lower costs. The idea of making maximum profits while underpaying those who are ultimately responsible for the success of a company is at least an unwise business practice. Increasing pay to a living wage, hiring full time employees and reducing prices will result in more products manufactured and sold, and reduce the number of people who require assistance. This idea is a win/win situation for everyone. Riverman1, I have an uncontentious question. I agree with making efforts to remove fraud from entitlements, but there are other consequences to just reducing entitlements wholesale. First, many who legitimately need the assistance, the elderly, disabled and those who are or have been effected by the recession and most of all, children will be harmed. It is not acceptable for any civilized nation to believe that should happen. Second, I believe that eliminating the undeserving (and who decides who that is?) would end up raising crime, meaning the need for more police, prisons and the support groups needed for them, not to mention the losses from the crime. That raises the cost for us taxpayers. It's a hard decision, but pragmatism seems to indicate that it's cheaper to feed and house them voluntarily than to do it while they're in prison. Also, at least welfare puts the money back into the economy instead of the pure drain of crime and punishment.

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deestafford 10/17/13 - 05:51 am
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The NBC/WSJ poll scared the Republicans; however, the poll was

flawed when one looks at the internals of the sampling. Mainly, democrats and government households were over represented; but, the major flaw was it was a sampling of all adults. This includes those who can't name the VP or the three branches of government. One should put credence in polls that show only registered and likely voters because all other people look at our form of government as a spectator sport.

I think the Republicans will come out well in the 2014 elections because we had some such as Lee, Cruz, and many in the House who stood up and fought. That is what the people out here in fly-over country have been wanting for...people who stand for something.

One of the problems is the politicians such as McCain, Graham, Corker, Issacson, and the like have been around DC so long they are inbred with the liberals. Most everyone in the DC bubble have developed such an incestuous relationship that they forget what the people in fly-over country believe.

Hopefully, the Conservatives will not stay home in the next two elections and will primary the likes of Graham and replace them with people who will go up there and fight for limited government, lower taxes, and individual responsibility. That's why Cruz and Lee are so well respected by the people who sent them there...they are doing what they told the people back home they would do.

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ymnbde 10/17/13 - 06:09 am
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government has turned into one large corporation, itself

the biggest of all time
this is a for profit government
unions profit, the poor person perpetuating bureaucracy profits
the education industry profits
power needs to go back to the states

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myfather15 10/17/13 - 06:13 am
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GACopprhed

Boy, one can certainly see you haven't spent the first day on the streets!!

"Second, I believe that eliminating the undeserving (and who decides who that is?) would end up raising crime, meaning the need for more police, prisons and the support groups needed for them, not to mention the losses from the crime."

First of all; the undeserving are the ones LYING and cheating the system of benefits they don't qualify for, if they were honest. I would also include drug addicts and alcoholics; who for THAT reason, can't work. They don't have any physical or mental disability, besides they can't find work because of substance abuse. People are getting really tired of footing the bill for these people!!

If you believe these people aren't ALREADY committing crimes, AFTER getting their government checks; you're naive at best. The majority of people arrested, are getting some form of government assistance ALREADY!! So to say that taking away their federal benefits would CAUSE more crime, more police, etc; is absolutely absurd!!

They are already LYING about their qualifications; and getting a government check. Yes, their shelter is paid for, food, etc; but then they need their meth, marijuana, vodka and beer!! They are out stealing copper and other metal like crazy to pay for those luxuries of life!! Also stealing mine and your car or truck, four wheel ATV, motorcycle, etc; just so they can afford their drug of choice!!

So yeah; you can play that harp for someone else. After working the streets for 17 years; I've seen to much to believe your hype!!

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TrukinRanger 10/17/13 - 06:53 am
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I would like to take a moment
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I would like to take a moment to thank Senator Cruze for his great effort to get more democrats elected in the future!! -- if Hardee's or Carls Jr. is crying about having to pay out, they'd be much better if they looked inward and add some taste to their food and perhaps they'd make a come back and would have the money to take care of their workers.

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gaflyboy 10/17/13 - 07:03 am
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GACopprhed 10/17/13 - 03:42 am

Before the re-election of Barack Obama for a second term, I would have laughed at that. Now, I think you may be right. We have become a nation of uneducated lemmings. Congratulations!

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seenitB4 10/17/13 - 07:06 am
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Speaking of holding hostage

That is unbelievable.....keep giving bennies to any & all because they will just commit crimes if they don't get it....dang....what a holdup to any society....they already commit most crimes..just like myfather said...

WAKE UP..

seenitB4
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seenitB4 10/17/13 - 07:10 am
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A BUSINESS

A business will cut costs to STAY in business....if that means health care $$ they will cut any way possible....
The very reason we need a business minded prson in the WHouse...they realize the facts of life....we are soo stupid when we elect anyone without the experience of running SOMETHING!

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GACopprhed 10/17/13 - 07:17 am
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myfather15:You need to
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myfather15:You need to provide statistics for all of your assertions, otherwise they're just supposition. Addiction is a disease, and it's prevalent in all classes of people. As for government assistance, GE needs it, Romney need it and definitely oil companies and other billion dollar corporations need that tax break welfare that they receive. If so many people are cheating to receive welfare, where are all the arrests for it? Georgia is a Republican state, and this mantra is stated frequently, yet where are the prosecutions for welfare fraud? I really would think that in a state where the population is so "aware" that it is happening, there would be more notice of the attempts to prosecute these criminal. It is one of the most stated objections to it, yet there are NEVER any statistics to back up the assertion. Commenters in here never object to subsidizing large profit corporations who pay minimum wage to part time employees with large tax breaks. You complain about welfare and food stamps, but expect people who earn minimum wage, are retired or disabled to basically starve. To quote Dickens, "let them die and further reduce the surplus population!". There are no statistics provided by you to prove what you say, that the majority of those on welfare are not deserving of the help.

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GACopprhed 10/17/13 - 07:20 am
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By the way, myfather15, you
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By the way, myfather15, you don't know me and you have no idea whatsoever what I've been through. Don't make baseless statements about me.

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Junior Dawg 10/17/13 - 07:22 am
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What?!?

GA Copperhead....complaining of greedy organizations and corporate profits like every other liberal? Do you know who owns corporations? It's your elderly neighbor who relies on their dividend checks to help pay bills, it's your neighbor and friends who hold corporate stock in their 401k's and retirement accounts, and I would also bet that you own a small piece of these greedy corporations that you complain about. Unless of course you are one of the "undeserved" who is gaming the system.

You and your liberal friends don't understand the first thing about our economy or what made this country so great. Just to clue you in, it wasn't government checks and handouts, nor making excuses for lazy folks who don't wanna work. And by the way, welfare checks and food stamps do not stimulate the economy.....no matter how many times you hear your beloved Nancy Pelosi say it!

All I can say is Wow! The 51% of Americans that kept this administration in office are clueless at best.

ymnbde
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ymnbde 10/17/13 - 07:28 am
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could a liberal answer some questions?

the stated purpose of O'care reduced the ratio of doctors to patients
("giving more people access to health care," the man said)
how can this do no harm?
we currently borrow new money
to pay off old debts, ponzi like
how is this sustainable, and who will be harmed when it collapses?
(these schemes always collapse)
our education system has proven ineffective
except for Davidson and other "magnet" schools
(the other schools are left separate, but certainly not equal)
why shouldn't Georgia, at least, try full school choice?
(it works for rich people)

GACopprhed
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GACopprhed 10/17/13 - 07:31 am
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When studies have proven time
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When studies have proven time and again that happy, healthy, decently paid employees are better producers, and that lowering prices increase sales, the argument that cutting reasonable benefits to those employees is cutting costs to keep maximum profits is a poor one. It's really simple....lower costs for the product means more sales, which leads to more profits. Healthy, happy employees cost the employer less, and getting paid a living wage reduces assistance, increases money put back into the economy and thus benefits those same companies.
It's basic law of supply and demand and good economics. Cutting wages, time and benefits creates unhappy employee who will not produce, will quit the job and increase costs to the company, not to mention the lost time caused by poor health and the lack of ability to PAY for medical care. If care is gotten and is unaffordable, everyone pays. The business models that conservatives advocate are destructive to the economy and to our nation itself. Capitalism only works when good sense and ethics are used to achieve it's goals. Maximum profit at the cost of the worker is not a good business model, yet is has become the mainstay for many businesses.

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GACopprhed 10/17/13 - 07:39 am
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ymnbde
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You keep asserting that there won't be enough doctors, yet I see medical schools, nursing schools and technical school full of people entering the medical field. How does that mean that more doctors, nurses and technicians will NOT be there to take care of the increased demand? You assertion is flawed, and the constant repetitions don't change that fact.
Your second statement indicates that no one from any school except a magnet school is entering UGA, Harvard or any other school of higher education, nor are they getting jobs and being productive members of society. I would disagree with your premise.

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ultrarnr 10/17/13 - 07:41 am
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The GOP Tax
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The GOP Tax
Macroeconomic Advisers has a new report out about the effects of bad fiscal policy since 2010 — that is, since the GOP takeover of the House. The way it’s written, however, might confuse some people. They say that combined effects of uncertainty in the bond market and cuts in discretionary spending have subtracted 1% from GDP growth. That’s not 1% off GDP — it’s the annualized rate of growth, so that we’re talking about almost 3% of GDP at this point; cumulatively, the losses come to around $700 billion of wasted economic potential. This is in the same ballpark as my own estimates.

And they also estimate that the current unemployment rate is 1.4 points higher than it would have been without those policies (a number consistent with almost 3% lower GDP); so, we’d have unemployment below 6% if not for these people.

Great work all around, guys.

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GACopprhed 10/17/13 - 07:48 am
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Junior Dawg, excessive profit
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Junior Dawg, excessive profit taking is a problem, as in order to get it, someone else must pay for those profits. Usually it's the people who actually do the work. I do know how the economy works, I'm not uneducated, not am I indigent. I have been self-employed, and i have worked for others, as I do now. I have always risen to the highest position I could attain, and am responsible. Again, as I said to someone else, you don't know me, don't presume to make unfounded statements.

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Gary Ross 10/17/13 - 08:11 am
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Sad day for America

The bullies in the US Senate won. The debt limit raised even higher. Our 24th through 27th generations of great grandchildren have now been cursed. Anyone with just a little bit of money management skill will tell you that when you have to borrow money to pay your bills, you're in financial trouble. Congress has been trying to tell us that, but have been portrayed as the bad guys. Sickening, at the very least.

Now it's off to work to pay for the 2 weeks of free holiday pay the federal employees will be getting.

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InChristLove 10/17/13 - 08:39 am
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'You keep asserting that

'You keep asserting that there won't be enough doctors, yet I see medical schools, nursing schools and technical school full of people entering the medical field. How does that mean that more doctors, nurses and technicians will NOT be there to take care of the increased demand? You assertion is flawed, and the constant repetitions don't change that fact."

Not necessarily GAC. We may have schools full of potential doctors and nurses but it is logical to assume that not all who enter school will graduate and the doctors who are baby boomers who became doctors are now reaching the age of retirement and will leave the field in larger numbers. When more insurance is provided, more users will use it, therefore increasing the number of patients to be seen. Same amount of students attending medical school and same amount graduating or dropping out, along with more older doctor's retiring, equates to less doctors to provide services for more patients.

I do not understand why someone who feels they are so educated can not see this....it's a simple run of the numbers.

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carcraft 10/17/13 - 08:25 am
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Ga Cpperhead, physicians and

Ga Cpperhead, physicians and Nurses enter and leave the medical fields every day we are at about replacement for the current patient population. You should understand this having been in business. Adding more patient's is going to burden physcians. The pay structure of many of the insurance policies sold ( high deductibles and high co-pays) is going to condemn many to not being able to afford routine care any way so you MAY be right.

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carcraft 10/17/13 - 08:39 am
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Funny Copperhead has repeated

Funny Copperhead has repeated the assertion that the US ranks just above Cuba in health care when I repeatedly documented why the data is skewed. Differences in definitions of live birth and the incidence of early demise related to gang and drug activity. Despite my documentation it has made no impression and he has provided no documentation to refute me. Now iif someone else asserts something it s opinion !

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InChristLove 10/17/13 - 08:44 am
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Aw....typical behavior. Why

Aw....typical behavior. Why would I presume anything different. Come on, make wild false statements and then sign off. Never fear though, GAC will be back this afternoon and NEVER address this discussion or provide documentation on his/her accusations.

Here's something for you to read GAC whenever you return.

RIVERSIDE, Calif. — In the Inland Empire, an economically depressed region in Southern California, Local health experts doubt there will be enough doctors to meet the area’s needs. There are not enough now.
Other places around the country, including the Mississippi Delta, Detroit and suburban Phoenix, face similar problems. The Association of American Medical Colleges estimates that in 2015 the country will have 62,900 fewer doctors than needed. And that number will more than double by 2025, as the expansion of insurance coverage and the aging of baby boomers drive up demand for care. Even without the health care law, the shortfall of doctors in 2025 would still exceed 100,000.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/health/policy/too-few-doctors-in-many-...

Seems we aren't the only ones concerned about the shortage of doctors and nurses this new health care reform creates. Our stance has been documented, can you say the same? I doubt it.

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Truth Matters 10/17/13 - 08:51 am
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"If so many people are

"If so many people are cheating to receive welfare, where are all the arrests for it? Georgia is a Republican state, and this mantra is stated frequently, yet where are the prosecutions for welfare fraud?"

Great question, GaCopperhead.
My guess is that there are no prosecutions because the incident of fraud does not rise to the level of being rampant. If it were, you can believe it would be on the front page of this paper every time it occurred.

If the fraud is as rampant as some say, one would think that our Republican governor would go after cheats to solidify his conservative standing. He has done a great job of changing agency heads to clean up the daycare industry. So if there is rampant fraud, someone at that agency is not doing his/her job and should be removed and replaced.
That is the appropriate response so that only those who truly qualify are receiving the benefits.

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Truth Matters 10/17/13 - 08:55 am
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"Activists last weekend took

"Activists last weekend took down barriers to outdoor memorials in Washington and laid them at the foot of the White House as an act of protest."

They also "laid" the Confederate Flag at the WH gate. Tell us what that symbol meant.

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What's the difference between

What's the difference between burning a flag and placing one on the steps of the WH. It is a free country with freedom of expression. Because people have this freedom doesn't mean it represents all the GOP-just like the OWS bad behavior isn't representative of all. Just because the Communist Party USA supports the Democratic party and Obama doesn't mean they are all communist. Sheesh.

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chascushman 10/17/13 - 09:00 am
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"You and your liberal friends don't understand the first thing about our economy or what made this country so great."
Junior, very well said. It seems some are NOT capable of understanding.

chascushman
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chascushman 10/17/13 - 09:08 am
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'You keep asserting that there won't be enough doctors, yet I see medical schools, nursing schools and technical school full of people entering the medical field'
GAC, perhaps you should better educate yourself so you will better informed. Here just a couple.
http://health.usnews.com/health-news/family-health/heart/articles/2009/0...
http://news.health.com/2009/09/10/u-s-faces-shortage-heart-surgeons/

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