Not exactly a carefree time

Furloughs during shutdown are time off for government's bad behavior

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There isn’t a lot of sympathy, at least online, for federal workers furloughed by the government shutdown.

“I might miss my trip to Italy. Boo-Hoo,” one commenter at AugustaChronicle.com mocked one area worker for lamenting in a news story.

“I suppose the financial hardship must not be too terrible if he is ‘arranging to have his house exterior painted,’ ” another commented under the story – while noting that these government workers apparently get to roll over much more vacation time than most private companies would allow.

Normally we’d be with the critics. Government workers are usually pretty insulated from the unfeeling undulations of the private sector. Their benefits are often much more generous, their retirements more secure and predictable.

But even though it’s likely most furloughed workers will receive full back pay, this shutdown is much more than a free, paid vacation. It’s forced. It’s requiring them to either empty out their vacation bucket or take no pay at all until the shutdown is resolved.

How many of us would jump to have that deal? How many of us could afford to? To take “paid vacation,” on someone else’s schedule, when the pay doesn’t flow for perhaps weeks?

Many folks live paycheck to paycheck these days. Even with the benefit of time off and back pay, how many can do without a paycheck, and for how long?

If any of our friends and neighbors who work at Savannah River Site and elsewhere in the federal system are having trouble with cash flow, let’s hope area businesses can cut them a little slack.

In the meantime, members of Congress ought to go unpaid as well until this thing is fixed.

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t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 10/15/13 - 11:54 am
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Not diffendable

When Obama wanted to give unions and big businesses an extra year, Obamacare became "tanted". I don't see how he can be diffended when he WILL NOT give EVERYONE this extra year.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 10/15/13 - 11:54 am
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Go online to one of those

Go online to one of those ehealth comparative sites. You can examine this years rate to the 2014 rates. Humana is a very competitive one and while a family of four with a 7000 deductible runs around $650 a month now the same policy ACA compliant but 7200 deductible are all over $1200 dollars (all the extras mandated for mental health, etc. add to the costs). I understand rates are cheaper in Atlanta because it is a more competitive market but that doesn't make sense with an exchange system. The prices are all going up on all the e site I examined. The issue becomes do you qualify for a subsidy, and the floating subsidy promises made and broken so far. The ACA doesn't achieve any of the goals to insure more people or reduce costs but it does achieve wealth redistribution. That's it. It's all about wealth redistribution because who foots the bill for subsidies and the govt employees 70%-the wealthy will pay it. Who are the wealthy-well anyone over 92K a year won't likely get a subsidy but will likely get higher taxes and have to pay all of their new high cost health insurance.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 10/15/13 - 12:12 pm
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Oh Tbledsoe I am just pulling

Oh Tbledsoe I am just pulling your yin. Because I would never pull your yang. You gotta keep your yin and yang in balance my friend. But I suspect you already know that.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 10/15/13 - 12:18 pm
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I don't know if you ever

I don't know if you ever watch Fox news (I watch all of em) but I like to watch that Frank Luntz dude. He polls Dems and Reps and studies their responses. It was interesting recently he had an all Obama supportive Dem group who all complained the President seems egocentric and petty and questioned his political motives. That from supporters. Now in his defense they still supported Obama but finally see his faults and question him now.

David Parker
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David Parker 10/15/13 - 12:44 pm
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Putting some back.

That's what we call insurance, 401k, SS, and a little government shakedown so that those with the EBT's and no job can still get their kicks.

Frankly, it ain't the Dems or the GOP at fault. Bunch of folks like to point at either and provide ample examples of fault. When the truth of the matter is that there are problems brought on by the 2 parties, but WE the people are responsible for our country and I don't see where WE are taking that inititive. Becoming a party rank-n-file doesn't mean you aren't part of the problem. Individuals have to take responsibility and actively correct the problems or zip it. Cause I for one know all too well how things have been going. From my perspective, the affluent and the poor are involved in the "cause". The middleclass is in the "effect", or as some would say the suck.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 10/15/13 - 01:26 pm
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"They failed to pass a
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"They failed to pass a spending bill that didn't include ridiculous demands, like defunding the President's signature legislation. "

NOT TRUE OJP. The most certainly DID pass bills that did not defund Obamacare, but you keep posting this untrue statement over and over. How many times will you post the same untrue statement before people believe it? Do you actually believe it now?

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 10/15/13 - 01:27 pm
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"Congress is exempt from it,
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"Congress is exempt from it, just like everybody else who has an employer-paid health insurance is exempt. This idea is just ridiculous. Why would anybody want to buy health insurance from a state exchange when they already have health insurance? For people to state this, it shows that they don't understand the law AT ALL."

Why then, corgi, did they get a HUGE subsidy? Why were they unwilling to have it removed in order to get the government going again?

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harley_52 10/15/13 - 01:29 pm
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Obamacare....

....is bad law. It will cause suffering and death. It will bankrupt everyday citizens. There is no escaping that reality.

Most thoughtful people realized when the Obamacare sales pitches were made that it was all a hoax. Better coverage for all. New coverage for 30 million currently uninsured. Hundreds of thousands of federal bureaucrats added to enforce tens of millions of pages of regulations. "You can keep your existing coverage and/or your existing doctor if you want." All of this for less cost than people were currently paying. Only the committed, die-hard, left-wing ideologues believed it. They were, of course, WRONG.

The democrats have destroyed the finest health care system the world has ever seen. Obamacare will NOT work. But then, those who designed it KNEW it wouldn't work. It was designed to destroy our Economy and hook millions of citizens on government sustenance.

This is what will happen. It is happening now, but being disguised by the government as "glitches." When the truth comes out (and it will) people like Senator Cruz will be viewed as visionaries and heroes.

You will see....

justthefacts
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justthefacts 10/15/13 - 01:56 pm
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Corgimom

"Obamacare stipulates that "the only health plans that the federal government may make available" to Congress are the ones that are part of the law's insurance exchanges."
Don't worry, Pelosi didn't read the bill either.

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fedex227 10/15/13 - 02:15 pm
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I can't believe you folks ...
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The VISA bill has arrived. For WHATEVER reason, this is how much we as a nation has spent. It's time to pay the bill - is that so hard a concept to understand?

David Parker
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David Parker 10/15/13 - 02:25 pm
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keeping score

Are the insurance companies going to take a hit or in the catbird seat again?

circle one

harley_52
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harley_52 10/15/13 - 03:05 pm
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If Insurance Companies Are In....

....the "catbird seat," it's because that's where democrat politicians wanted them to be.

Who wrote the law? Who voted "for" it? Democrats held the White House, the Senate, and the House of Representatives. They colluded with insurance companies to destroy the health care system and fleece the middle class.

Not a single Republican voted "for" Obamacare. Zero. Nada. Now they are trying to stop it to save our health care and our life savings. Democrats fight tooth and nail to make it happen.

The "catbird seat" is occupied by those who are willing to sacrifice health care and the Economy to achieve political power (aka democrat politicians).

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 10/15/13 - 03:07 pm
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fedex....when my visa bill
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fedex....when my visa bill comes in, I don't have to go FURTHER into debt to pay it. I don't have to raise my debt limit. Just pay the bill. Is that so hard a concept to understand?

OJP
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OJP 10/15/13 - 07:06 pm
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@Humble Angela

No, you're wrong. The House GOP did not present a single bill that didn't include defending Obamacare, and the government shut down.

Now that the government is closed, the House GOP is trying to fund certain parts but not others. But reopening the federal government is not a "win" for the Democrats as the GOP seems to believe. It's not a bargaining chip to trade for policy concessions.

Congressman Issa has finally cried uncle. Senator Graham admits his party overreached. And now the GOP wants to end all this by taking healthcare away from Congressional staffers? THAT'S what this was all for? And at a cost of $20 billion? The House GOP has zero strategy, no idea what it's doing.

This is unequivocally the GOP's fault.

OJP
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OJP 10/15/13 - 07:17 pm
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@harley_52

Ronald Reagan bemoaned Medicare in the 60's as socialism that would destroy America. As President, he signed a bill to expand it.

He was wrong then, you are wrong now. Let's both bookmark this and revisit it in 20 years.

harley_52
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harley_52 10/15/13 - 07:37 pm
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Obamacare And Medicare....

...shouldn't be mentioned in the same post. They are nothing alike. I doubt you think they are, but if you do you are grossly mistaken.

Twenty years from now Obamacare will be viewed as a wicked, evil attempt by the far left to destroy the American middle class, the American Economy, and our very form of government.

harley_52
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harley_52 10/15/13 - 07:40 pm
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"This is unequivocally the GOP's fault."

An opinion you're free to hold, though it's clearly unsubstantiated by the facts.

Not that it matters....

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 10/16/13 - 05:47 am
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OJP...did you not read about
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OJP...did you not read about the bill the house passed that simply delayed implementation of the individual mandate, but did NOT defund obamacare? I guess not...that's why you keep posting something that is not true.

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