This isn't charity, it's stealing

Government aid is shockingly inefficient and subject to fraud

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If you needed some help from family or friends in rough financial times, would you soak them for all you could?

If you found out your uncle’s credit card had no limit on it, would you run through the stores and empty the shelves?

If the church gave you a blank check, would you take the congregants for all they’re worth?

Of course not.

Yet, this is pretty much what a frantic formation of food stamp recipients did over the weekend at several Walmart stores in Louisiana when a computer glitch left them with no-limit Electronic Benefit Transfer cards from Uncle Sam.

“Walmart and local police in Springhill and Mansfield (Louisiana) confirmed to CBS affiliate KSLA that officers were called into the stores to help maintain order Saturday as shoppers swept through the aisles at two stores and bought as much as they could carry,” CBS News reported.

The feeding frenzy ended ingloriously with “dozens of shopping carts, piled high with merchandise, abandoned in the aisles of one Walmart after the announcement was made that EBT cards were once again showing accurate spending limits.”

One shopper quoted by CBS saw the incident for what it was: “plain theft. That’s stealing, that’s all I got to say about it.”

Well, we’ve got some more to say about it.

There are worse abuses of the public trust, but this incident exposes the vast difference between public and private charity.

With government aid programs, there’s infinitely more of a sense of entitlement. There’s very little publicly expressed gratitude, and, as we’ve seen in this incident, often no limits on the taking.

In private charitable transactions, there’s also a greater human element – a face or name or smile associated with the help. There’s a tangible reason for gratitude and humility on the part of the recipient.

There’s also more of an emphasis on intervention and helping recipients off dependency.

Besides being monumentally less human, government aid also is decidedly less efficient. According to a 2007 report titled “The Costs of Public Income Redistribution and Private Charity,” studies show that two-thirds to three-fourths of every public benefit dollar is gobbled up by the bureaucracy – and never reaches the recipient. In private charitable settings, it’s pretty much the complete opposite.

“(O)n average,” the report says, “70 cents of each dollar budgeted for government assistance goes not to the poor, but to the members of the welfare bureaucracy and others serving the poor. ...

“In contrast, administrative and other operating costs in private charities absorb, on average, only one-third or less of each dollar donated, leaving the other two-thirds (or more) to be delivered to recipients.”

And again, as we’ve seen this past week, government aid is much more prone to fraud.

Those of us who rightly question the efficacy of government aid are usually reflexively
accused of not being compassionate. Isn’t it compassionate to wonder if it’s working?

And is it compassionate to waste 70 percent of aid? Is it compassionate to dehumanize charity? Is it compassionate to spend no time talking about how to reduce dependency instead of increasing it?

Nor is it fair or moral to
forcibly remove someone’s money and treat it so indifferently as to be wasted or pilfered the second the computer blinks.

No uncle, no family, would put up with this.

But clearly, Uncle Sam isn’t family.

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Riverman1
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Riverman1 10/16/13 - 04:08 am
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Toothless and Tattooed Regulation

Allowing the give-away government bureaucrats to regulate their programs is like allowing the toothless, tattooed, carnival workers to do their own inspections of the rides at the fair and regulate their games. If something goes wrong, they just move on to the next place.

ymnbde
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ymnbde 10/16/13 - 06:16 am
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it's a bureaucrat's flock, their herd

their portion of the greater democratic voting block

grouse
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grouse 10/16/13 - 06:29 am
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My guess is that the "glitch"
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My guess is that the "glitch" will be reversed and the monies spent recovered from subsequent payments. Not so when the government gave billions to Wall Street...

Junior Dawg
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Junior Dawg 10/16/13 - 08:08 am
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Stealing is an understatement

How did our country get to the point where we believe that it is better to give people free stuff than to have them work hard and earn it?

The liberals' War on Poverty has destroyed the greatest civilization on earth...

chascushman
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chascushman 10/16/13 - 08:29 am
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"The liberals' War on Poverty
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"The liberals' War on Poverty has destroyed the greatest civilization on earth..."
The Great Society, liberals, democrats and black leaders have created generation after generation of poor dumb people enslaved to the gov't. They breed & act like animals. The incident in LA is just one example.

Bulldog
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Bulldog 10/16/13 - 08:43 am
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Where are they?

Someone out there has an idea brewing. It looks like a completely self sustaining colony, where you live like human beings rather than parasites. They come in several versions that fit the needs of civilized people. They used to call these things by words like "poor house", "work house" or prisons. Places where the parasites of this world can learn to contribute rather than suck the blood of their neighbors...

dahreese
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dahreese 10/16/13 - 09:21 am
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How many of you above
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How many of you above applauding choir members read the report (According to a 2007 report titled “The Costs of Public Income Redistribution and Private Charity,”) used for a part of the above editorial?

Or did you, as usual, take the word of the AC editorial staff?

Is there waste in government? Sure there is and the question has been asked and answered in the affirmative time and time again.

And why is it, time after time, that the AC runs editorials showing waste in (or purporting to) public assistance programs, but not the military, the FBI, the CIA, not Homeland Security?

While there is waste in government, there is also efficiency.

Regarding Social Security, for example, "Administrative costs amount to only 0.9 percent of annual benefits, far below the percentages for private retirement annuities.

Policy Basics: Top Ten Facts about Social Security — Center on ...
www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3261‎

It isn't unusual to have members of the public rip-off government, as described in the editorial above.

But it also isn't unusual to have Wall Street rip off its investors, is it?

Nor the banking industry rip off home owners (even 'mistakenly') when the home owner is up to date on his home payments. (My point being, since I have to draw it out, it isn't just government messing up with financial matters, is it)?

Let's see some editorials calling for more aggressive prosecution by the Department of Justice against the people who caused our present financial dilemma - those who control the purse strings of our economy.

Let's have some real thinking going on on these pages instead of mere echos.

deestafford
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deestafford 10/16/13 - 09:22 am
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These "fine upstanding citizens who have just hit on hard

times and have been dealt a bad hand by life" are the same ones who were carrying big plasma TVs through chest deep water during hurricane Katrina. These were TVs they had looted. Of course they had no electricity or any place to plug it in but that didn't stop the parasites from stealing.

It's the mentality of "They owe it to me because I'm alive and gracing them with my presence." cultivated by leftists/statists and their failed policies......Wait a minute, they have not failed. They accomplished what they wanted...generations of democrat voters.

gaflyboy
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gaflyboy 10/16/13 - 09:25 am
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Tolerance

One of the most destructive forms of political correctness to ever infect this country. Americans have been conditioned to accept everything. The concept of good and evil is disappearing. Nothing can be criticized or even pointed out. The concept of shame is gone!

There was a time when a father needed to ask for help to support his family, he was embarrassed enough that no one had to tell him anything. He would work to ensure he never had to do it again.

Today, not only is the government encouraging fathers to not be fathers anymore, it spends untold millions of taxpayer dollars advertising and drawing people into government dependence. More and more people feel, not like they need help, but that they are customers. They feel like they would be stupid to turn down all these generous offers!

Our entire society is being destroyed by government policies. Thanks DC!

deestafford
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deestafford 10/16/13 - 09:28 am
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dahreese, I agree with you on DOJ prosecuting those who started

this financial mess. Let's start with Pelosi, Reid, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Shelia Jackson Lee, the entire Congressional Black Caucus, Chuck Shumer, and Dick Durbin for a start. Those are just some of those who failed to respond to Bush when he was warning about the problems with the sub -prime mortgage fiasco that was looming.

There are some things the government does well but it has its nose in many places it doesn't belong.

dahreese
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dahreese 10/16/13 - 09:35 am
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Sigh.............
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Sigh.............

gaflyboy
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gaflyboy 10/16/13 - 09:49 am
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Efficiency?!

"While there is waste in government, there is also efficiency."
- dahreese 10/16/13 - 09:21 am
Efficiency? Where?

If the existence of the Federal Reserve hadn't been illegally pushed through (3/4 of the states did not ratify the act as required by the Constitution) and Richard Nixon hadn't ended the gold standard, the US would have gone bankrupt long ago.

The United States had grown economically powerful enough to have most of the rest of the world dependent on us. The US dollar is the world currency for trade. But that is already changing. China and Russia have already agreed to trade that excludes the dollar. Other countries are considering the same.

The value of our dollar depends entirely on the "faith and credit of the United States". Faith is already waning severely and as soon as the rest of the world figures out how to trade without the dollar, our ability to get credit will disappear too.

Wake up people!

dahreese
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dahreese 10/16/13 - 10:36 am
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I agree with the views
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I agree with the views against the Federal Reserve. Let’s put it under the Department of Treasury.

But, what does it take for you folks to stop railing against folks on public assistance and start railing against the folks who caused this financial crisis and a lot of theirs too?

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 10/16/13 - 10:51 am
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editorial

"If you needed some help from family or friends in rough financial times, would you soak them for all you could"

The forms of "give-away" are food stamps, welfare, and Medicaid.

Truth Matters
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Truth Matters 10/16/13 - 10:54 am
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Solution: Those who used

Solution: Those who used their EBT cards to get goods they were not entitled should be prosecuted for theft. Review video cameras to see who left stranded carts in the aisles. My guess there is just one WalMart in that town_____they will be back. WalMart has one of the most successful loss prevention programs around. (If you ever sat on a jury when they prosecute shoplifters, you understand why I say that.)

The company that manages the EBT cards (I believe it's Xerox) should be held liable to some degree. Surely they have some safeguards in place for loss prevention in the event of computer failure.

What is not a solution is to penalize the decent folks who truly need the benefit and who had nothing to do with the thieves.

Truth Matters
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Truth Matters 10/16/13 - 11:04 am
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"But, what does it take for

"But, what does it take for you folks to stop railing against folks on public assistance and start railing against the folks who caused this financial crisis and a lot of theirs too?"

For whatever reason, many who rail against abuse of public resources have a much higher tolerance for "white collar criminals."

Theft is wrong for any reason but I might find it easier to forgive the theft of a chicken when one is hungry than the theft of millions $$ by a millionaire because of pure greed.

dichotomy
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dichotomy 10/16/13 - 11:32 am
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"the US would have gone

"the US would have gone bankrupt long ago."

Actually, we are bankrupt now. Financially we are the walking dead being propped up by worthless printed money. If you think there was bad conduct when the crowd of usual suspects found out there was no limit on food stamp purchases, wait until you see how they act when the inflation sets in and that little bit of food stamps and welfare won't buy a months worth of grits. Everyone will be in bad shape but THEY will be the first to find out what happens when you run out of other people's money. Be prepared to defend you and yours because you ain't seen nothing yet. When it finally happens here, what happened in Greece is going to look like a block party.

Fiat_Lux
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Fiat_Lux 10/16/13 - 11:41 am
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Just wait until the whole world stops trading with the dollar

The government dependents are in for a very rude awakening when their checks won't buy them much of anything. But my expectation is that a computer glitch on their EBT cards won't be necessary to prompt spontaneous looting by people whose moral compass doesn't even have a directional indicator.

It's already happening in NYC with endless flash mobs.

ymnbde
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ymnbde 10/16/13 - 12:08 pm
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school choice is the only way

to educate people out of the government's control
each child has a voucher to spend at their parents school of choice
even a religious school
otherwise this will continue for many more generations to come
the current education system is simply incompetent for the times

David Parker
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David Parker 10/16/13 - 12:32 pm
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Bleed baby

Pointing out inherent flaws in the US Governement as a response/excuse for folks acting a fool?

If you wanna play it, good luck with that.

Feds can keep their shop closed as long as it takes. I've no interest in them opening back up.

David Parker
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David Parker 10/16/13 - 12:35 pm
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w// regard to public schools

More indoctrination. Get them out if you can. If not, teach them early about what's going down with the US Dept of Education and how not to become another cog for the machine.

deestafford
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deestafford 10/16/13 - 01:50 pm
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Xerox does have a safeguard in place.

Yet for some reason, maybe afraid of rioting by the moochers who were taking advantage of the glich, the manager did not use it. The stores have a number at Xerox to call that is on the back of the EBT card if there is a problem with the card. Some of Walmart mangers did that and shut down accepting the cards and some didn't.

pwren46
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pwren46 10/16/13 - 02:54 pm
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Truth Matters said;

"Theft is wrong for any reason but I might find it easier to forgive the theft of a chicken when one is hungry than the theft of millions $$ by a millionaire because of pure greed." I agree, but these EBT thieves weren't hungry...just greedy"

rmwhitley
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rmwhitley 10/16/13 - 04:16 pm
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The face
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of the obama regime.

TrukinRanger
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TrukinRanger 10/16/13 - 06:29 pm
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Don't underestimate the
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Don't underestimate the church. They'll take everything you have if you're willing to give it to them.... then use that money for advertising and PAC's.

Truth Matters
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Truth Matters 10/16/13 - 07:11 pm
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"I agree, but these EBT

"I agree, but these EBT thieves weren't hungry...just greedy"

If caught, prosecuted, and convicted they will get a meal in the pokey.
Now that should curve one's apetite.

KSL
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KSL 10/16/13 - 07:21 pm
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I bet you are pretty certain

I bet you are pretty certain they will not be caught/fined or jailed. Too many of them. Aren't y'all about not punishing non violent criminals?

Fiat_Lux
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Fiat_Lux 10/16/13 - 08:11 pm
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When there are so many who lack a conscience

it's hard to convince them there is any reason not to do exactly as they please. They are savages, and they are making up an ever larger percentage of American society.

We may already have passed the tipping point. All these zombie shows aren't just to entertain but to instruct, although the real zombies probably wouldn't recognize themselves.

chascushman
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chascushman 10/16/13 - 08:13 pm
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" If caught, prosecuted, and
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" If caught, prosecuted, and convicted they will get a meal in the pokey."
TM, the real problem these are just few of the millions of parasites that the great society, liberals, democrats and black leaders have created.

KSL
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KSL 10/16/13 - 08:19 pm
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What is stealing

Is all the freebies with their imputed value and the recipients are in no way responsible for paying taxes on the imputed value. So, therefore, they vote for the people who will keep that up/and or increase them?

I am old enough to remember people on some assistance, but at this point not 3 or more generations of assistance. I knew poor people. Poor uneducated people. But their children broke out before the Great Society. Don't know any who starved or died prematurely due to lack of medical care.

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