Tough doctor's test ahead?

Soft-spoken conservative Ben Carson would challenge the political status quo

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Nearly 1,600 people packed the massive new Augusta Convention Center hall – so much so that, when asked days before the dinner if they could handle any more interest from the public, organizers said they were full.

Then, when Dr. Ben Carson took the podium at Tuesday night’s Augusta Care Pregnancy Center banquet, attendees couldn’t wait to stand and applaud. Then they gave him a standing “O” when he was done.

Augusta may have seen – and felt – the early stages of a major presidential campaign this week.

What was hanging in the air at the event was the fog of dread conservatives see for America. The Pledge of Allegiance – the other thing participants eagerly stood for – had the faint echo of a eulogy.

Ben Carson was a ray of light.

He talked about America’s founding values, about the admiration Frenchman Alexis de Tocqueville showed for the new nation after studying its early 1800s incarnation. He lamented the woeful civic ignorance evident today, and the poor state of American education. He warned that government-run health care is the pathway to control of a people.

And he recounted how he rose from poverty in a single-parent home through the single-mindedness of an engaged and motivating mother – who required him to turn off the TV and read two books a week and write reviews on them.

In describing his past and fretting for our future, the renowned neurosurgeon sounded very much like a man who is contemplating a run for the presidency. The audience left no doubt their verdict on the matter.

Indeed, the event was a dramatic reminder that conservatives who fear for this country’s financial and moral condition and trajectory are clearly starving for leadership.

Is he the guy?

In our view, he could be. He’s got the right stuff, only more so than most: He’s obviously brilliant and well-schooled, dedicated to constitutional principles, focused on reviving education and devoted to individual liberty. As a bonus, he may be the most unflappable man ever to seek the presidency in the modern age.

But therein lies the rub.

A Ben Carson candidacy would test this country in three ways:

• He’s an African-American conservative, and in some circles that means he’s shredded his African-American Express card. Somehow the left, and the media, have equated African-Americanism with liberalism, which is just silly. Fact is, we would argue that liberalism is one of the worst things that ever happened to the African-American community.

• He’s astoundingly soft-spoken. He smacks of the kind of thoughtful, erudite leaders you sometimes see in other countries, but who might never ascend in a nation with the kind of bare-knuckled, vituperative politics America is in the process of getting trademarked. And how would the “get-in-there-and-fight” media handle such a civil guy?

• He wants to have an intellectual discussion on the issues, not a raised-voices argument springing from emotion. Voters today should ask ourselves: Do we want to just feel good, knowing that our favorite candidate is going to give what-for to the opposition? Or would we prefer to get ahead, individually and collectively, through an urbane and cultured contest of ideas?

We’re skeptical of the media’s and the political class’ ability and willingness to abide a man of such class and dignity in their midst.

But Ben Carson has proved plenty of others wrong.

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Rebelbuyer
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Rebelbuyer 10/10/13 - 12:55 am
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Misguided mission
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While Dr. Carson is busying himself by becoming the new savior of the Republican party. He has obviously forgotten his true and only calling as a Seventh-day Adventist. Our ONLY call is to teach the 3 Angels Message of Revelation 14. He should know the prophesies concerning the United States and human kind in general. Our mission is NOT in the political arena and he should know this. So, what is Dr. Carson's agenda? What happens when his sycophants and those who are used to mixing their religion with politics discover the beliefs of a true Seventh-day Adventist? I'm afraid Dr. Carson has fallen under the sirens spell and now believes his own press. We have no business in politics or the diversions of this world Come out from amongst them Dr. Carson and be ye not partakers of their sins.

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Riverman1 10/10/13 - 03:41 am
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Pretty Brave Guy

When he took on the President in that talk with him sitting there, he showed me he had courage.

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myfather15 10/10/13 - 05:04 am
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Riverman

You're right. This man is a warrior and people would be making a serious mistake to equate his soft spoken side to weakness. He is very Brave, and I personally believe he will be Hillary Clinton's second nightmare!! She has believed she is aire to the throne for many years. Obama put a serious stumbling block in front of her and now Dr. Carson will. Hillary will have a heart attack; because I doubt she will run after another 8 years.

Although I do believe Dr. Carson is a good man, and one of the better men in society today; he is still a man!! He, nor any other human being, will be able fix ALL the problems we are having today. Expecting ANY individual person to fix all these problems, would be like expecting me to stand on the train tracks and using my strength to stop a speeding train coming at me.

This train wreck has been coming for over 100 years!! Mostly starting with the liberal Woodrow Wilson!!

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GACopprhed 10/10/13 - 05:06 am
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So Germany, England,
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So Germany, England, Australia, Canada and many other countries are all just people controlled by their governments. This man is another doctor trying to protect the broken, sub-standard greed-mongering medical industry. It really is a comedy show. It's why we're no longer "exceptional", especially a medical system that's 38th or lower in the world. Just a bunch of Republican extremists crying over the fact that they no longer represent Americans. I wonder why their Congressional approval rating has dropped to 28%, yet they still claim to represent the majority of Americans. Too funny.

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InChristLove 10/10/13 - 06:16 am
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(GAC) "It's why we're no

(GAC) "It's why we're no longer "exceptional", especially a medical system that's 38th or lower in the world. "

In a 2013 Bloomberg ranking of nations with the most efficient health care systems, the United States ranks 46th among the 48 countries included in the study.

It's all in how you manipulate the numbers

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gaflyboy 10/10/13 - 06:11 am
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Dr. Carson

made his initial jump from the medical field to politics at the National Prayer Breakfast; planned or inadvertent, I don’t know. But it was so inspiring to hear such honest, such American values, I had to make sure my friends and family saw it. It was exciting!

Why? Because he did it with the President and First Lady sitting an arms length away. As exciting as the speech was, I was also struck by how sad it is that what he said would be so different, so controversial.

Dr. Carson is an inspiration and is a small breath hope for the future of our great nation.

But I’ve been around long enough to know that initial excitement is frequently followed by disappointment. I don’t know his views on foreign policy or national defense; Or on privacy vs. national security; Or taxes and the debt/deficit.

His conservative, straightforward attitude is certainly an indication that he would handle other matters in a similar fashion, but we have a lot more to learn about him.

The media will treat him badly, as will progressive politicians and pundits, but more and more Americans are seeing through this. When talking with someone about politics and our government, one can quickly recognize a progressive by the talking points they throw out. These people, most media included, are lemmings that follow the presidents progressive mantra, come hell or high water. You may as well change the topic to sports or weather, because you will not change their minds.

I really do hope that Dr. Carson does pursue a run for the presidency. I look forward to learning more about him and his views and supporting him as he attempts to support the country.

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localguy55 10/10/13 - 06:21 am
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It is well known that

It is well known that Canadains crossed the border for medical procedures in the U.S. But because of Obama care, I doubt this will occur anymore. The U.S. healthcare system is broken because of Government interference past, present, and future.

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ymnbde 10/10/13 - 06:36 am
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he isn't just a spokesmodel

he doesn't need reformatting to fit our (cognitive) screen
he doesn't need to be edited for content
he doesn't claim to add to the sub-standard greed-mongering federal bureaucracy by lowering the oceans and add to
the sub-standard greed-mongering disability industry or keep kids stupid by adding to the sub-standard greed-mongering education bureaucracy or keep black people servants of the government
he will INCREASE the ratio of doctors to patients
and that is the ONLY way to solve our health care problems
don't you agree copperhead!
obviously you agree, because you won't answer the question
37%, oh my

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Little Lamb 10/10/13 - 07:37 am
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Space

The TEE Center advertises that it has 38,000 square feet of space available. So they had 1,600 people at Dr. Carson's speech and they call it packed. Does that make sense?

lovingthesouth72
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lovingthesouth72 10/10/13 - 07:38 am
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# carson2016

If the elections were today I would vote for him Ina heartbeat! He is brilliant.
And he can take on anyone on a rational debate. America has not seen leadership like this in years. We would be in good "healing hands" if he were president.

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Bizkit 10/10/13 - 07:51 am
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The US ranks poorly in health

The US ranks poorly in health care not because of major health issues but because we don't have universal health care as all the nations it is compared, but then again we have freedoms unlike all the nations compared. Physicians are like everyone else and not greedy criminals as some morons believe. But if the moron had a brain they would have gone to medical school. Hilarious. We still have more nobel laureates in medicine and have produced most of the medical breakthroughs, but of course we are given a bad grade but the UN gives us bad grades too.

lovingthesouth72
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lovingthesouth72 10/10/13 - 07:50 am
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Lenin said it first

"Socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the socialist state." Vladimir Lenin said it, and Carson was pointing out the fact.

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chascushman 10/10/13 - 08:12 am
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" Dr. Carson is an
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" Dr. Carson is an inspiration and is a small breath hope for the future of our great nation."
I agree 100%. I read 2 of his books before he chastised the lying racist in the WH.

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Bizkit 10/10/13 - 08:20 am
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Wait a minute Dr. Carlson is

Wait a minute Dr. Carlson is black he can't have so much support from conservatives and Rep because Dems tell us all Rep are racist. Oh wait I forgot all Dems are liars. Cheezit. Almost feel for it.

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chascushman 10/10/13 - 08:24 am
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" But because of Obama care,
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" But because of Obama care, I doubt this will occur anymore."
localguy, one my doctors no longer takes any new Medicare or Medicaid patients because they are paying less and less each year. Soon only the worst doctors will take Medicare or Medicaid patients. One of my doctors said it will not be long before there is a shortage of specialist like heart surgeons. He said that by the time a heart surgeon completes his studies he would have close to 1/2 million dollars invested or borrowed. Under Obamacare it would take almost all his life just to get his money back. I JUST LOVE ALL THESE WEALTH ENVY FOLKS. Most are not even close to being smart enough to be make it though medical school.

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myfather15 10/10/13 - 08:30 am
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localguy55

People like GACopprhed will spin statistics to show America as being awful!! That's what they do!! Why? Because you HAVE to constantly show something as being broken, if you want to convince people YOU can fix it!!

The simple fact is, a quick google search will PROVE to you exactly the opposite of what they say!! Leaders from Countries all over the world have came to America for their health treatment. Why would they do this if it's so terrible here?

chascushman
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chascushman 10/10/13 - 08:35 am
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"Oh wait I forgot all Dems
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"Oh wait I forgot all Dems are liars."
Bixkit, the real sad part is many believe those lies. It is call brainwashed. Then there are many that have told the same lies for so long they begin to believe their own lies like the liar in the WH.

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deestafford 10/10/13 - 08:37 am
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A few points here:

If you want to learn Dr Carson's views on taxes, privacy, religion in America, the Supreme Court, and other issues that concern us today read his book "America the Beautiful". It will answer any question about him, his views and qualifications.

If you ever seen Dr Carson when he is speaking to a group you will notice he speaks with no notes or teleprompter. He speaks extemporaneously without any aides because he is speaking from the heart and about what he believes in. Unlike Obama you cannot say "good morning" without it being written by a speech writer and placed on a teleprompter. Obama is a good reader...not a good speaker. Dr Carson is a true speaker.

Bod and GAC are so far out in their comments that are loaded with misinformation and propaganda that it is no longer useful to address them because you can't open a closed mind, set in concrete.

I wish the Chronicle would use the term "Black" rather than "African-American". Black identifies a race whereas African-American is a geographical identification. A person could be white and be and African-American as is Teresa Heinz Kerry is. The term African-American is a follow on from Afro-American both started by Jesse Jackson. So, please us the accurate racial identification and stop being political correct.

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Bizkit 10/10/13 - 08:51 am
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Wow I know they want to

Wow I know they want to depict racial discrimination and homosexual discrimination as a "hate crime", but what about physician discrimination-is that a hate crime too? Quick we need to sign them up for the HateCrime Symposium at Paine College so we can cure their hate because it is a crime. LOL>

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Bizkit 10/10/13 - 09:53 am
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Dee I think some people think

Dee I think some people think Obama is an African-american, but we know Dr. Carson is just an American. Now we do know that only Dr. Carson is black. President Obama is mulatto. Obama is the first Mulatto President, perhaps Carson can be the first Black President. But watch as the racist come out of the wood work to try and depict and defend Obama as a black man. It's ridiculous-especially since there is no race. Technically if you aren't a racist you will discern Obama is really more of a white man genetically. Now if Obama had been born and raised n Kenya he would have that epigenetic environmental effect which would make him more african, but he has born in Hawaii and raised in Indonesia such he had the indonesian experience of epigenetic imprint. I don't know perhaps Hawaii isn't one of the 57 states Obama believes in and he doesn't know the difference where he was born.

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dahreese 10/10/13 - 09:01 am
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This is an ignorant
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This is an ignorant statement; "Fact is, we would argue that liberalism is one of the worst things that ever happened to the African-American community."

This is a racist statement.

Why just the African-American community?

Why not include the White-Anglo-Saxon-Protestant community?

Is it because such a statement would include White-Anglo-Saxon-Protestant conservatives?

And we have the usual "Amen!" from the usual choir above.

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chascushman 10/10/13 - 09:19 am
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"This is an ignorant
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"This is an ignorant statement; "Fact is, we would argue that liberalism is one of the worst things that ever happened to the African-American community."
dahresse, you are correct in a way because liberalism has made it worse for everyone. But the point is 'liberalism' along with the Great Society, democrats and black leaders have made it much worse in the African-American community.

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Bizkit 10/10/13 - 10:01 am
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Is this ignorant or racist or

Is this ignorant or racist or both? from Race and Intelligence Wikipedia.
Rushton & Jensen (2005) write that, in the United States, self-identified blacks and whites have been the subjects of the greatest number of studies. They state that the black-white IQ difference is about 15 to 18 points or 1 to 1.1 standard deviations (SDs), which implies that between 11 and 16 percent of the black population have an IQ above 100 (the general population median-in whites 50% are above 100). The black-white IQ difference is largest on those components of IQ tests that are claimed best to represent the general intelligence factor g.[11][non-primary source needed] The 1996 APA report "Intelligence: Knowns and Unknowns" and the 1994 editorial statement "Mainstream Science on Intelligence" gave more or less similar estimates.[42][43] Roth et al. (2001), in a review of the results of a total of 6,246,729 participants on other tests of cognitive ability or aptitude, found a difference in mean IQ scores between blacks and whites of 1.1 SD. Consistent results were found for college and university application tests such as the Scholastic Aptitude Test (N = 2.4 million) and Graduate Record Examination (N = 2.3 million), as well as for tests of job applicants in corporate sections (N = 0.5 million) and in the military (N = 0.4 million).[44]

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Bizkit 10/10/13 - 10:04 am
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Then reflect on these facts

Then reflect on these facts related to IQ. In fact: people in the 75 to 90 range are 88 times likelier to drop out of high school, seven times more likely to go to prison, and five times more likely to live in poverty than those with an IQ over 110.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/facts-you-dont-want-to-know-iq-2011-11?op...

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dahreese 10/10/13 - 10:19 am
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you are correct in a way
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you are correct in a way because liberalism has made it worse for everyone. But the point is

"...'liberalism' along with the Great Society, democrats and black leaders have made it much worse in the African-American community."

Had it not been for "liberalism" your Dr. Ben Carson would never have been admitted to medical training.

In fact, Had it not been for "liberalism" Africa-Americans would not be in the medical profession at all; or running major corporations; or in 'white only' politics; etc, etc, etc.

The "Great Society" includes, and always has, a major number of 'white' people who live in public housing, have no medical insurance and get food stamps.

The first 'slum clearance' and public housing project in this country was the 'Techwood Apartments' in downtown Atlanta, the late 1930s - white folks only.

Ben Carson was right on two things; "He lamented the woeful civic ignorance evident today, and the poor state of American education."

You see it and read it on here everyday.

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dahreese 10/10/13 - 10:23 am
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Bizkit, please explain in
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Bizkit, please explain in your own words your post of 11:01 a.m. above.

GACopprhed
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GACopprhed 10/10/13 - 10:54 am
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Actually, ICL, if you check,
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Actually, ICL, if you check, the WHO ranking I posted was from their study in 2000. The Bloomberg study, was in 2012 or 2013 and shows that we have dropped 12 more places in 13 years. SO, if left untouched we'll be 1 place lower each year that we do nothing.
ymnbde, I answered your post several days ago. Continuing to ask a pointless question, over and over, doesn't work, except with Republicans who don't know any better. By the way, do you REALLY think that doctors will just quit practicing? Being that their wages will still be lucrative, you really buy into the Republican scare tactics that there won't be enough doctors? I would hope that you're not really fooled by propaganda like death panels and the such, Sarah Palin is so yesterday.....

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carcraft 10/10/13 - 11:01 am
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Well once again the ignorant

Well once again the ignorant rant about American health care standing that has been explained over and over ad nauseum . If it were true, The affordable care act will fix this how? More patients, fewer hospitals (Grady is about to take a $45 million dollar hit ) . No money to increase the number of Doctors or nurses etc. So a good analegy would be "if your plumbing system is bad allocate money for cabbage , Metamucil , and beer, invite more people over to but leave the plumbing as it is!

carcraft
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carcraft 10/10/13 - 11:02 am
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Well once again the ignorant

Well once again the ignorant rant about American health care standing that has been explained over and over ad nauseum . If it were true, The affordable care act will fix this how? More patients, fewer hospitals (Grady is about to take a $45 million dollar hit ) . No money to increase the number of Doctors or nurses etc. So a good analegy would be "if your plumbing system is bad allocate money for cabbage , Metamucil , and beer, invite more people over to but leave the plumbing as it is!

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 10/10/13 - 11:16 am
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why is it when the left call

why is it when the left call blacks who are conservative uncle tom, oreos, etc then question their intergrity, honesty and intellegence...then there heritage..they are not racist.. DR.CARSON is a great american story, a gifted doctor but is a hated by the left..go figure.....

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