A new level of shame

Stopping death benefits for military families is beneath contempt

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We’ve had some low points in this country since the Civil War. The Great Depression. World Wars. The turbulence of the 1960s. Watergate. A president defiling the Oval Office with an intern.

But a new low may have been reached this week when a dysfunctional federal government stopped paying death benefits to the families of fallen troops.

Some 26 families have been denied the benefits – $100,000, plus travel costs – since the
government shutdown started Oct. 1.

We can’t think of anything lower than denying benefits to troops killed in the line of duty, either in war zones or here at home. But that’s what our government has done.

A temporary fix emerged this week when the private nonprofit Fisher House Foundation agreed to cover the benefits until the government can.

But even that is an insult – the supposed mightiest nation on Earth relying on a charity to uphold its most sacred obligations to its fallen troops.

This whole government shutdown has been shameful. But not paying benefits to families of fallen troops is beyond contemptible.

Though House Republicans misguidedly instigated this shutdown, it’s the Executive Branch that has been tasked with carrying it out. The buck stops there.

“This was a voluntary act on the part of the administration,” said Jonah Goldberg, editor-at-large of National Review online.

The House quickly passed a bill to restore the benefits, if belatedly, though Democrats in the Senate initially showed little interest in following suit.

No one has distinguished themselves in this whole affair – except the very troops whose families the government has forsaken.

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deestafford 10/10/13 - 11:21 pm
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This action in relation to the deaths of soldiers was planned

well in advance as shown in some discussions prior to the "shutdown". This entire reaction by vindictive Obama was planned months ago and as one park ranger said, "We were told to inflict as much pain as possible in out closures."

Obama is not a leader but a follower of Alinsky's tactics of identifying your enemy, isolate him, and then destroy him. He looks at the Republican party as his enemy and is doing all he can to destroy it. He sees 2014 as his chance to crush it, but he is in for a shock when the Republicans gain in the House and take control of the Senate.

Even though he thinks he is still dealing with people with the same mentality he dealt with in Chicago as a community aggitator he will be surprised as how many are starting to see through his hollowness and unfitness for the job as president.

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jack234 10/11/13 - 06:52 am
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So the Civil War as a high

So the Civil War as a high point? We see how the staff roll.

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myfather15 10/11/13 - 06:53 am
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Chuch Hagel needs to be

Chuch Hagel needs to be fired, immediately for this!! But, this administration doesn't believe in firing anyone, or holding anyone accountable, no matter what they do; so I won't hold my breath!!

The people running our Country at this time are dispicable, detestable human beings; and I'm giving them a lot of credit by calling them human beings!!

I'm tired of hearing them say "I didn't know" about this or that!! THAT is what accountability is ALL ABOUT!!! You MUST KNOW what is going on, when YOU are running something!! If Obama didn't know about these payments not being made, he needs to FIRE the person who did know and didn't immediately bring it to his attention!!!

If Hagel didn't know, he needs to immediately FIRE the person who DID KNOW and didn't bring it to his attention!!! THAT, is personal responsibility and accountability!!! Because SOMEONE did know and did nothing about it, allowing it to happen!!

Honest to God; if CEO's of private companies ran their business this way, they would be bankrupt in weeks!! This administration is the WORST example of management I've ever seen or heard of. MANY bad things have happened and EVERY TIME, we get the same answer "I didn't know". Then when you try to find out WHO DID KNOW, we get stonewalled!!! The cover up starts and NO ONE is EVER held accountable for ANYTHING!!

As long as SOMEONE if FIRED for this atrocity; I believe people would be satisfied with the results. But watch and see, there will be no accountablity for this and liberals WILL NEVER call for it, because their messiah is in office!! He and this entire administration can do NO WRONG in their eyes.

myfather15
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myfather15 10/11/13 - 07:07 am
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jack234

What is your point? Care to clarify?

Yes, I believe one could see the Civil War as a high point. Why? Because PEOPLE, were willing to place their lives in danger for the FREEDOM of others!! People of ALL colors and creeds, fought; not for their own personal reason, but to help give FREEDOM to all people!! Would you not call that a high point?

Yes, it's an atrocity that it had to come to war; but throughout WORLD history, slavery has occured in just about EVERY COUNTRY, with many still practicing it today!! Slavery in the WORLD has certainly NOT been limited to one race of people!! At least we had men and women BRAVE enough to give their lives in order to destroy the wrongful practice!!

Care to join a middle eastern Country? One that just completely BANNED homosexuals? Making it a criminal offense, punishable by DEATH!!

As much as I and many others on here and throughout this Country, disagree with homosexual MARRIAGE; If this Country EVER tried to kill people, for their sexual orientation, I would be willing to FIGHT for those people. I would be willing to lay my life on the line to fight ANY government who would attempt such an atrocious law!!

So YES, there are good points and bad points to ALL WARS!! People should be thankful we've had such brave warriors throughout history!! We should be thankful for those who FOUGHT against the institution of slavery!! The vast majority of those losing their lives, being white people. Not to diminish the sacrifice of the black warriors who also fought and gave their lives for their fellow man!!

See, in liberal minds; it doesn't matter what this Country has done to get it RIGHT, they still blame us for everything done WRONG. They still claim this Country is BROKEN and wrong. Why? Because if you EVER say this Country is RIGHT and isn't broken, then you can't claim YOU are the one to fix it. The left must ALWAYS say this Country is broken, so they can claim they are the only ones can fix it!! Something that isn't broken, doesn't need to be fixed!!

Yes, there are still INDIVIDUAL cases of racism; but certainly not in MASS SCALE and certainly not the Country as a whole!!

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ymnbde 10/11/13 - 07:20 am
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what did O'know

and when did O'know it
O'knew it
he used our brave dead soldiers
for his own gain

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soapy_725 10/11/13 - 07:52 am
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Communist Revolution. Use ever real & manufactured crisis.
Unpublished

Communist Revolution. Use ever real and manufactured crisis.

cparker
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cparker 10/11/13 - 08:07 am
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See it for what it is...

The debt ceiling has nothing to do with Obamacare. This is clearly a desperate attempt to keep over 20 million people uninsured. It seems rather insane for Congress to suggest we are willing to increase the debt ceiling as long as you agree to keep the uninsured just that for another year. The funding for Obamacare is separate the debt ceiling, so they also want to prevent the funding for Obamacare as well. This is nothing more than a strategic attempt to undermine the poorest people in the country. This Congress has truly reached new lows in their attitudes toward every American. I am confused how some of the poorest rural citizens from southern states have placed there alligence with Republicans that continually vote against their interests. We have witnessed this party vote to terminate food stamps, but increase farm subsidy for wealthy farmers. They know disability payments for veterans as well as death benefits for combat veterans can not be paid while they complain they deserve to be paid for doing nothing. What would make any poor citizen vote for any Congress person that opposes subsidizing lunch for poor children at school? There has to be a certain evilness to this rationalization. You would think poor rural citizens would love Obama, but they don't!! They would rather be hungry, homeless, and uninsured while they campaign for Donald Duck. The hypocrisy of this Congress can not be ignored.

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Bizkit 10/11/13 - 08:18 am
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From what polls indicate most

From what polls indicate most of those uninsured don't won't the insurance. My wife and I realize paying 1% of our income as a tax will be cheaper than our new more expensive insurance under the ACA-and that is with the cheapest. Actually the 2% tax of income will still be cheaper than our insurance. We are in the 1% of wealth population. How the heck else is anyone going to afford this insurance-oh subsidies. Subsidies are a sure vote getter for Dems from now on. Give me a subsidy and win my vote.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 10/11/13 - 08:20 am
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Cparker you should hate Obama

Cparker you should hate Obama as he has done the least for the poor and african-americans suffer more economically under him than any of the last 5 presidents.

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 10/11/13 - 08:24 am
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editorial

Isn't shutting down the mall just part of the idiotic protical of a gov. shut-down?? Why is that? The Lincoln Memorial was defaced during the night, BUT when the mall was open for regular business!! What exactly do these park rangers do that the mall shouldn't stay open??!!

Truth Matters
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Truth Matters 10/11/13 - 08:30 am
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Nothing new here; just the

Nothing new here; just the same people who denied that there would be dire consequences of a shutdown and now they are having more hissy fits because there are dire consequences.

Who in their right mind could think that laying off 800,000 workers would not have a ripple effect into every strata of our nation?

GOP solution: A 6-week CR and keep the government shutdown.

Just around Thanksgiving and the busiest shopping season of the year the GOP wants to put this nation through this again. Retailers had better be very concerned about "Black Friday." We can really see who is on the side of "the American people."

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/10/20896468-pentagon-warned-of-c...

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 10/11/13 - 08:30 am
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Cparker @ 8:07

"The debt ceiling has nothing to do with Obamacare. This is clearly a desperate attempt to keep over 20 million people uninsured. It seems rather insane for Congress to suggest we are willing to increase the debt ceiling as long as you agree to keep the uninsured just that for another year"

I want Obamacare! I agree with your point! BUT, you must open your eyes to the fact that Obama wants to give BIG BUSINESS and unions an addition year break!! Do you believe that is even fair, ESPICIALLY to us individuals??!!

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 10/11/13 - 08:33 am
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editorial

It is very difficult for me to understand how this editorial can possibly be argued with, But in the interest of making today's debate interesting, I willtry!

Bizkit
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Bizkit 10/11/13 - 08:36 am
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If you fall in the poverty

If you fall in the poverty zone and qualify for a subsidy you will like the ACA because it is another freebie. All the rest will pay more and hate it. There are more people who will hate it than there are those who need insurance.

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 10/11/13 - 08:36 am
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"The turbulence of the 1960s"

Very interesting twist, THE CAUCASIONS of the 60's were completely to blame for this!!

Truth Matters
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Truth Matters 10/11/13 - 08:38 am
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"No one has distinguished

"No one has distinguished themselves in this whole affair – except the very troops whose families the government has forsaken."

So true, which is why I can not wrap my head around why the GOP would be so callous in their behavior.
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"Though House Republicans misguidedly instigated this shutdown...."

Now that's something that I can agree with the ACES ON.

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 10/11/13 - 08:39 am
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"Watergate"

AND WHO'S party did this president belong to??

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 10/11/13 - 08:44 am
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"A president defiling the Oval Office with an intern"

EVEN DEMOCRATS agree that this was a very low point for ALL Democrats and probably helped turn The WH back over to the Repubs.

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deestafford 10/11/13 - 08:52 am
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The thing about the shutdown is a true leader would have

conducted the "slimdown" where it would cause the least amount of problems for the people versus what Obama did to cause the most pain to the people. He is using pain of the people to advance his leftist agenda.

As for Obamacare being so great...it is a bloodsucking tick on the economy. There are 18 new taxes in the obomacare legislation alone.

One mistake many people make about the cause of the War for Southern Independence is that it was started over slavery. It was not. It was started for the same reason we are having problems today---the South wanted the government to leave it alone or treat it equally like the other parts of the Union. Slavery was not added as an issue until Lincoln was building up for his reelection campaign and needed a propaganda issue.

By the way, the term "Civil War" is incorrect. A "Civil War" is when two forces are fighting to seize power of the same seat of government. We in the South wanted nothing to do with the yankee government. The official name is The War Between the States and the term "Civil War" did not come into vogue until the 20th century. Other acceptable names are: "War of Northern Aggression"; "War for Southern Independence"; and "War Between the Yankees and the Americans". ;)

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 10/11/13 - 08:57 am
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"dysfunctional federal government stopped paying death benefits to the families of fallen troops"

The Administration blames the shut-down and Hagle said the pay-out would have been "illegal" if he had have done it during the shut-down.

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 10/11/13 - 09:01 am
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"A temporary fix emerged this week when the private nonprofit Fisher House Foundation agreed to cover the benefits until the government can"

I totally agree with this non-profit moving in to do what the gov. should have been doing! How outragious for our gov. to have not done their job to the point of having a non-profit do it!

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 10/11/13 - 09:06 am
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myfather15 @ 7:07

"What is your point? Care to clarify?

Yes, I believe one could see the Civil War as a high point. Why? Because PEOPLE, were willing to place their lives in danger for the FREEDOM of others"

I agree with this statement AND YOUR QUESTION to Jack234, "What exactly did his statement about The Civil War mean??"

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 10/11/13 - 09:11 am
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deestafford & ymnbde @ 7:20

"and when did O'know it
O'knew it
he used our brave dead soldiers
for his own gain"

I REALLY believe you two are reaching on this one!! This not paying death benefits WAS AS A result of the shut-down, PERIOD!! The shut-down is the fault of BOTH parties!!

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 10/11/13 - 09:20 am
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SOME real truth from a moderate!

LET'S BE REAL people!! This shut-down is the fault OF BOTH parties!! MAKE NO mistake about it, "It is strickly for the voters to take a look at which party is going to cave first!!" The Republicans started with wanting to defund Obamacare TOTALLY. The Democrats dug in on this, AND HAVE been un-willing to even talk to try to make a compromise. So the shut-down continues as a result of BOTH parties continueing to hurt the little people!!

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 10/11/13 - 09:25 am
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Bizkit @ 8:18

"From what polls indicate most of those uninsured don't won't the insurance. My wife and I realize paying 1% of our income as a tax will be cheaper than our new more expensive insurance under the ACA-and that is with the cheapest"

You have hit one of the nails right on the head!! This Obamacare is DEPENDING on the younger population to sign up in the millions. Who in the world, without a family, is going to sign up when the penalty IS SO MUCH CHEAPER!!

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 10/11/13 - 09:31 am
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"Though House Republicans misguidedly instigated this shutdown, it’s the Executive Branch that has been tasked with carrying it out. The buck stops there"

I guess A HALF TRUTH is better than none! Obama, is not responsible untill The Senate puts the proverbiale ball in The Oval Office. At this point, ALL OF THE BLAME rests in The Legislative Branch!

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 10/11/13 - 09:45 am
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Foresaking & disrespecting the troops

YES, indeed this is a very big example of foresaking the needs of the troops, BUT let's expand this foresaking to the past six decades!! I realize the troops, (human beings), exist for battleing enemy forces. Haveing acknowledging this, "Where was the enemy during Korea?? Where was the enemy during Veitnam??, Where was the enemy during Desert Storm?? Where was the enemy during the last Iraq War??, AND the only reason for The Afghan War was to go after A VERY, VERY few enemy combatents." SO NOW TELL ME, "Where has our country NOT BEEN foresaking and disrespecting our troops??!!"

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Bizkit 10/11/13 - 09:49 am
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If you are a family of four

If you are a family of four and make over 92K a year you will not qualify for subsidies and will likely pay way more for your insurance. Of those who qualify for subsidies you will still pay 60% of your insurance. 42% of Americans will qualify for subsides so that means 58% will pay more with no subsidy. So the majority of Americans will pay more for insurance-at least double the cost. The subsidy doesn't lower the cost of insurance for those who qualify just the govt will send the insurance company 40% of your cost. So now the poor and everyone will pay into insurance. There are no free rides.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 10/11/13 - 09:52 am
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What's weird is the call to

What's weird is the call to simplify and restructure our tax code because it is too long and complicated, and what do Dems do but write a health care law that is too long and complicated. So now our govt can spend lots of time trying to simplify long and complicated laws of their own making. Is that retarded or what?

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 10/11/13 - 10:01 am
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Bizkit @ 9:49

"There are no free rides"

There may be no free ride, BUT it is a wind-fall profits hay day for private insurance companies!

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