A losing wager?

Republicans bet it all on the showdown -- how can it pay off?

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Here’s a way to get your head around the goofy and shameful government shutdown.

Imagine you’re in a Capitol Hill restaurant. Let’s call it the “Gridlock Grille.”

The Republican waiter serves you, unsolicited, an unsavory-looking plate of government shutdown. Then, as you chomp down on the disagreeable
entree, the Democrat manager stops by to ask you how you’re enjoying it.

When you tell him how nasty it tastes, and how you never ordered it, the Democrat walks away with a self-satisfied smirk.

That’s the 2013 government shutdown.

For some reason, Republicans thought it would be a good idea to alienate a good bit of the American population, by goading Democrats into shutting down the government, in order to make a political statement about Obamacare.

Note to Republicans: You knew the Democrats would never agree to defund Obamacare. Besides, Obamacare was already unraveling of its own bureaucratic mass. Why don’t you just let it unravel – rather than step in and risk being blamed for the mess?

Moreover, anger is not a strategy, and protest is no way to
legislate. We’re not unsympathetic to the Republicans’ concerns about Obamacare, but much of the country surely will be – especially as they see children and veterans denied basic government services.

Republicans had to know going in that the left-leaning, Obama-lapdog media would do their best to portray Republicans as the enemy. Why would they lean into that? It’s just inane.

And if Republicans thought that their churning out a few spending authorization bills to re-start various government agencies, and daring Democrats not to agree to them, would save their image – well, we’ll see about that.

Certainly no one is blameless in this sad episode. Democrats should be dripping with discredit for the unforgivable act of attempting to bar World War II veterans from around the country from visiting their outdoor memorial this week. Thankfully, with the help of some members of Congress, the barriers were parted and the veterans soaked in the somber spot.

Perhaps the White House is hoping Americans blame someone else for that outrage. It falls squarely on the commander-in-chief’s desk. Republican Sen. Rand Paul wryly noted the security detail guarding the memorial outstripped the security at our besieged outpost in Benghazi. Perhaps a slight exaggeration, but no less biting.

Still, Republicans, so far, have pushed all their chips in on the shutdown, which looks from here to be a losing wager. They’re banking on Americans being informed enough to realize that Democrats are technically the ones who shut the government down by not agreeing to the Republican House bill that defunded Obamcare. They’re also hoping that Americans see Republicans as trying to restore services bit by bit, with Democrats declining to go along.

Democrats long ago realized that most Americans aren’t that tuned in. Good grief, a Jimmy Kimmel Live video showed that people on the street don’t even realize that Obamacare and the Affordable Care Act are the same thing.

What they do know is that their friends are being furloughed and that veterans are having to cut crime-scene-style tape to get to their memorials.

That’s fitting enough. It’s a crime.

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Riverman1
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Riverman1 10/04/13 - 12:08 am
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Paint the Right Ones

Republicans offered partial funding bills for "the children and the vets." Harry Reid turned both down. When it was pointed out to him it may save some children's lives he said he had people in his district who had been affected by the shutdown and were out of work. He refused to fund the NIH work with children. So let's paint the right ones with that brush. I don't get the Chronicle's view.

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deestafford 10/04/13 - 12:37 am
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Rarely do I disagree with a Chronicle editorial, but this is one

I think is off base.

First, there is a time to fight and stand on principle and I believe this is one of those times.

The editorial seems to be falling into the same trap as the members of congress, the president, and the lapdog media. That is they are all isolated in DC and have an incestuous relationship with each other thereby believing what they tell each other is the truth.

Outside of DC the people are not as stupid as the cousin-marrying populace of DC wants to make us out to be. The people in the "real world" are beginning to see the democrats and the president for the worms they really are. It's a slow process because it's difficult to get the word out to the people but it is happening. Reid's comments about not opening up the NIH to help cancer patients did not help. The president refusing to sit down and negotiate is not helping. The senate not taking up individual spending bills is not helping them. People are becoming less stupid all the time...at least those who are waking up to what's going on are.

The Obamacare being discussed today is not the Obamacare passed by Congress and signed by the president because of all the unauthorized changes, waivers, and exemptions he unilaterally made without going through Congress.

We must stop this thing before the undeserving piggies, aka moochers, get addicted to sucking on another entitlement teat of government, aka Uncle Sugar, and gorging on the milk provided by the hard working Producers. Eventually, the milk will run dry either because the host runs out of milk or dies.

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Bodhisattva 10/04/13 - 04:15 am
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The Chronicle is hoping its readers are ignorant enough

The Chronicle is hoping its readers are ignorant enough to believe their right wing propaganda. The GOP refuses to put send a clean Continuing Resolution to the Senate. They send a CR with language defunding the ACA, knowing it will be rejected. They then send more CR's with piecemeal language defunding parts of the ACA, knowing they'll be rejected. People then point out important parts of the government that aren't operating and they try to cherry pick programs out of the thousands the government conducts to fund one at a time. It's political theater and they know it. They planned on a government shutdown from the start, hoped for it and many applauded it. Their PAC's and big money backers planned on it and pushed for it.

From FreedomWorks July 29, 2013

FreedomWorks has signed the following coalition letter in support of defunding ObamaCare:

Dear Speaker Boehner and Majority Leader Cantor,

We the undersigned organizations and individuals urge House Republicans to include language fully defunding Obamacare when they consider their upcoming legislation to fund the government for Fiscal Year 2014.

On October 1, 2013, open enrollment begins for Obamacare’s massive new entitlements, including the new federally-subsidized exchanges and the Medicaid expansion. October 1st is also the beginning of the new fiscal year, meaning that Congress must pass a bill funding the government by that date to avoid a government shutdown. The excuses for not pulling out all the legislative stops to repeal Obamacare are over. The Supreme Court failed to strike down the entire law when it had the opportunity, and the 2012 election, which focused little on Obamacare, did not yield a new President or a new Senate majority.

Despite these setbacks, the ultimate “power of the purse” still resides in the House, and the House will soon act to fund the government. In doing so, the House should include language ensuring that no more taxpayer dollars can be used to implement Obamacare. This funding prohibition should include all Obamacare funding streams, both discretionary and mandatory, and it should eliminate funding for Obamacare’s new entitlements. This will effectively halt implementation and enforcement of the law in its entirety, and will give the President and Senate Democrats a choice: Continue funding the government, or shut down the government on behalf of an unpopular law that they have admitted will not work and cannot be enforced as written.

Obamacare interferes with the doctor-patient relationship. It continues to raise health insurance premiums and explode the national debt. And, even as our economy continues to struggle, the law’s new job-killing rules, regulations, and taxes will only continue to ratchet up as time goes on. The Obama Administration is pulling out all the stops – legal and illegal – to create a new constituency for this law and make it a permanent fixture on the American fabric. The best and last chance for House Republicans to stand up and thwart this law before its new entitlements kick in is during the upcoming funding debate, and the House should live up to the moment and pass a bill funding the government but denying any funding for Obamacare.

Sincerely,

Michael A. Needham CEO, Heritage Action for America

Chris Chocola, President, Club for Growth

Matt Kibbe, President and CEO, FreedomWorks

Tom McClusky, Senior Vice President, Family Research Council

Erick Erickson, Editor-in-Chief, Redstate.com

The Honorable Edwin Meese III, former Attorney General, President Ronald Reagan

The Honorable David McIntosh, former U.S. Representative, Indiana

Al Cardenas, Chairman, American Conservative Union

Grover Norquist, President, Americans for Tax Reform

Brent Bozell, Chairman, ForAmerica

Jenny Beth Martin, Co-Founder, Tea Party Patriots

Morton Blackwell, Chairman, The Weyrich Lunch

The Honorable T. Kenneth Cribb, Jr., former Domestic Advisor, President Ronald Reagan.

Duane Parde, President and COO, National Taxpayers Union

The Honorable Jim Ryun, Chairman, Madison Project

Heather Higgins, President, Independent Women’s Forum

Phil Kerpen, President, American Commitment

David N. Bossie, President, Citizens United

Phyllis Schlafly, Founder and President, Eagle Forum

Jim Martin, Chairman, 60 Plus Association

The Honorable Alfred S. Regnery, former Publisher, The American Spectator

Penny Nance, President and CEO, Concerned Women for America Legislative Action Committee

Ken Hoagland, Chairman, Restore America’s Voice

Colin Hanna, President, Let Freedom Ring

Nathan Paul Mehrens, President, Americans for Limited Government

Amy Kremer, Chairman, Tea Party Express

John Tate, President, Campaign For Liberty

David Williams, President, Taxpayer Protection Alliance

Chris Littleton, Ohio Rising

Bob Adams, Founder and President, Revive America USA

Brian C. Baker, President, Ending Spending

Gary Marx, Executive Director, Faith and Freedom Coalition

Mike Stenhouse, CEO, Rhode Island Center for Freedom and Prosperity

Myron Ebell, Director, Freedom Action

Beverly Gossage, Director, HSA Benefits Consulting

Susan Carleson, Chairman, CEO, and Treasurer, American Civil Rights Union

Christopher Malagisi, President, Young Conservatives Coalition

Tom Donelson, Chairman, Americas PAC

Lew Uhler, Founder and President, National Tax Limitation Committee

William L. Walton, Rappahannock Ventures LLC

Elaine Donnelly, President, Center for Military Readiness

Kristan Hawkins, President, Students for Life of America

Andresen Blom, Senior Strategist, Center for Civic Virtue

C. Preston Noell III, President, Tradition, Family, Property, Inc.

Dr. Juliette Madrigal-Dersch, President, American Association of Physicians and Surgeons

Ralph Benko, Contributor, Forbes.com

Gregory T. Angelo, Executive Director, Log Cabin Republicans

Ron Robinson, President, Young America’s Foundation

Betsy McCaughey, Chairman, Committee to Reduce Infection Deaths

Lee Beaman, Businessman, Nashville, TN

Robert K. Fischer, President, Fischer Furniture, Inc.

Bodhisattva
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Bodhisattva 10/04/13 - 04:19 am
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FreedomWorks August 14,

FreedomWorks August 14, 2013

Have Your Members of Congress Signed the "Defund ObamaCare" Letter? Find Out Here!

The Continuing Resolution (CR) that allows funding for the federal government expires on September 30th and must be renewed in order for the doors to stay open in Washington. The CR is the best chance we will get to withdraw funds from ObamaCare. This can be done by attaching bills by Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) or Congressman Tom Graves (R-GA) to the CR, which will totally defund ObamaCare.

The whole thing has been planned for months. The Chronicle can't fool anyone by trying to blame the Democrats.

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GACopprhed 10/04/13 - 04:48 am
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Bodhisattva

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Bod, I found out yesterday, as you surely have discovered, the people will just say one of the standards....you made it up, you're cherry picking or whatever. If a Democrat says "it's raining" and it really is raining, they will deny it as left wing liberal media garbage. They make personal insults, and general ones, and when responded to with the slightest bit of sarcasm, the scream AD HOMINEM ATTACK!!! a cry to Sean. They shut down the government and then attempt to blame Democrats. Polls are showing that Americans disapprove of this tactic, and there are already enough Republicans in the House fed up with these Tea Party extremists that a clean CR would pass. They are even alienating their own Party and Country. If there weren't enough of the ignorant in small pockets they would have gone out of existence years ago. Oh, and Riverman, that little ploy doesn't hold water, Reid was saying that one little child isn't alone in suffering the results of the Republican shutdown, but ya'll will read it any way you want to....

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jack234 10/04/13 - 06:01 am
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Take a deep breath, step back

Take a deep breath, step back and realize that Obama Care is the law of the land, although people prefer The Affordable Care Act 5-1. Did you get that? There is a certain group of people (mostly from the South) who want nothing named after Obama. So lets just call it the Affordable Health Care Act in the South. The president is just too cool for many republicans. They prefer the 999 man who will grin and shuffle. I'm glad the president is his own man, as all men should be. The president will prevail to the dismay of many republicans. Why would I want my country to fail, regardless of who sits in the White House?

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ymnbde 10/04/13 - 06:16 am
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maybe we have to shut down the government

to see what's in it
and fund each division as it proves necessity
obviously treating kids with cancer isn't necessary
to Democrats
but perhaps the education department isn't necessary
perhaps hud isn't so necessary
perhaps a myriad of other programs are not necessary
but lets shut them down and find out
freedom shouldn't go quietly into that good night
common sense shouldn't have a seperate thinking fountain
hard working people shouldn't be forced to the back of the bus

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carcraft 10/04/13 - 06:35 am
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Jack seems to forget that the

Jack seems to forget that the immigration laws are the "laws of the land" but our fearless leader. Has no trouble ignoring those. Well food for the goose and all that!

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carcraft 10/04/13 - 06:42 am
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The law of the land? Ried had

The law of the land? Ried had no problem ignoring the constitution

GACopprhed
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GACopprhed 10/04/13 - 06:43 am
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ymnbde, this is a dastardly

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ymnbde, this is a dastardly thing that the Republicans are doing, being willing to see children suffer, to see people unable to afford basic medical care, and to see the country shut down and lose it's credit rating. For what? the god of profit and the inability to see a black, Democratic President do good things for this country. Obama had succeeded despite a plainly, publicly stated intent to do anything necessary to defeat Obama, specifically. You have lost 2 elections, haven't been able to get a majority in Congress, except for the gerrymandered House.(49% of the popular votes vs 54% of the seats)
The fact is the Republican Party hasn't received the majority of the popular vote for some time. You DON'T represent the majority of Americans, your hypocrisy is blatant and pervasive. Republicans rely on prevarications and misinformation to garner support, showing that P.T Barnum was dead right when he said " There's a sucker born every minute". Last, I will say, I don't want the version of "freedom" that Republicans claim to offer....legislated morality, unfunded and unfounded wars, tax breaks to the wealthy while doing everything possible to destroy the poor. if that's what you call freedom, you need to revisit Webster's dictionary.

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InChristLove 10/04/13 - 06:47 am
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(Jack234) "Take a deep

(Jack234) "Take a deep breath, step back and realize that Obama Care is the law of the land, although people prefer The Affordable Care Act 5-1"

Jack, I do believe you are wrong.

53% Disapprove / 42% Approve

There are a lot of interesting findings in the new Pew poll about the Affordable Care Act, released Sunday, but the most reliable and stark one: Americans really don’t like the law. They disapprove of it by an eleven-point margin — the biggest since Pew started asking about it.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/358575/pew-finds-people-dislike-oba...

How about this one.....

"With health insurance exchanges set to open on Oct. 1, the latest national survey by the Pew Research Center and USA TODAY, conducted Sept. 4-8 among 1,506 adults, finds that 53% of Americans disapprove of the law while 42% approve"

http://www.people-press.org/2013/09/16/as-health-care-law-proceeds-oppos...

So Jack, I don't know where you are getting your information but most Americans DO NOT approve of the health care law.

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Truth Matters 10/04/13 - 06:55 am
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"For some reason, Republicans

"For some reason, Republicans thought it would be a good idea to alienate a good bit of the American population, by goading Democrats into shutting down the government.."

Really?!! Democrats were goaded into shutting down the government?
The problem with that position is House Republicans are on the record supporting and threatening a shutdown. Many promised their like-minded supporters that if elected they would go to DC and shut the government down. (No links provided because honest people already know it is true.)

When the House threw a temper tantrum before, the president unwisely gave them the candy. Then they came back for the baby. The GOP sounds like a modern day Rumplestilkins. Hey, maybe that is the book "house speaker" Cruz should have read on the senate floor.

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InChristLove 10/04/13 - 07:01 am
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"For what? the god of profit

"For what? the god of profit and the inability to see a black, Democratic President do good things for this country. "

I would like for someone to please list some good this President has done for this country....Seriously!

We are a more divided country and people than every was, we are deeper in debt than we've ever been and doesn't seem to be getting any better, we have a health care bill going into effect which by all poll ratings I've research say a majority of American's does not want. (Let me be clear, most American's want to help the sick and poor but this bill is not going to do it). I have seen nothing that this President has done that has joined this nation together and nothing needs said about how our American morals has gone to heck in a hand-basket. The housing market is the pits, I see half the homes around my neighborhood with for sale signs in the yard and have been for months on end. Price of gas and food has sky-rocketed. Our education system......nothing needs to be said about that, just sad is all I can think to say.

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Truth Matters 10/04/13 - 07:01 am
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Government run

Government run healthcare....talking point myth

People should know that the federal government is not a registered insurance agency. Blue Cross/Blue Shield, United Healthcare, Atena are examples of registered agencies. No one who signs up through the ACA exchanges will have a policy with UNITED STATES federal government listed as the agency.

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ultrarnr 10/04/13 - 07:07 am
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Wrong Side of History

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Sarah Palin finally got her death panels — a direct blow from the Republican House. In shutting down the government, leaving 800,000 people without a paycheck and draining the economy of $300 million a day, the Party of Madness also took away last-chance cancer trials for children at the National Institutes of Health.

And now that the pain that was dismissed as a trifle on Monday, a “slimdown” according to the chuckleheads at Fox News, is revealed as tragic by mid-week, the very radicals who caused the havoc are trying to say it’s not their fault.

It’s too late. They flunked hostage-taking. About 30 or so Republicans in the House, bunkered in gerrymandered districts while breathing the oxygen of delusion, are now part of a cast of miscreants who have stood firmly on the wrong side of history. The headline, today and 50 years from now, will be the same: Republicans closed the government to keep millions of their fellow Americans from getting affordable health care.

They are not righteous rebels or principled provocateurs. They are not constitutionalists, using the ruling framework built by the founders. Just the opposite: they are a militant fringe of one party in one house of Congress in one branch of government trying to nullify an established law by extortion. This is not the design of the Constitution.

Nor are they Martin Luther King Jr., or Rosa Parks or Winston Churchill — preposterous comparisons made on the floor of Congress by those whose only real fight is with progress.

In truth, they are the Know-Nothings from the 1850s who fought Irish Catholics and other castoffs from distant lands, vowing to keep them from becoming citizens. Their incarnation today is the Tea Party Republicans who call Latinos drug mules and would rather strangle the federal government than take up immigration reform

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justthefacts 10/04/13 - 07:09 am
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Tired old talking points

"Republicans claim to offer....legislated morality, unfunded and unfounded wars, tax breaks to the wealthy while doing everything possible to destroy the poor." Hard to believe libs keep repeating these same old slogans. Man, get some new material.

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justthefacts 10/04/13 - 07:11 am
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How could I forget

Forgot the best slogan, "He's black".

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ymnbde 10/04/13 - 07:15 am
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oh, copperhead... hate fills

one's head with a particularly noxious bile
and secretes such thoughts as people who differ with you on tactics
to help poor and sick people WANT
"to see children suffer, to see people unable to afford basic medical care..."
perchance it causes your exaggerations...
O added patients, he added services
he did not add doctors... therein lies a "duh"
billy bob got 43%
Hillary voted FOR THE WAR
almost all of them voted FOR THE WAR
O cheated in the last election, and could possibly go to jail
after all is investigated fully
O isn't black, not that anyone would care
but if that is your tactic at defending him, perhaps you harbor some racist
indulgences of your own... perhaps that is why the anger
seeping from the normally functioning part of the brain
is so disproportionate to reality
but, you do make me reconsider my opinion on medicinal marijuana
get some balm
and stop speaking so ill of doctors... they are the best of us
there is nothing you want to do that a Republican keeps you from doing
the rich, those dastardly demons, pay almost ALL the taxes
the poor pay none... and corporations can't be taxed
"...the longer an empire is in existence, the more time the successfully sinister have to find ways to subvert the system and insert themselves into positions of power."

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GACopprhed 10/04/13 - 07:23 am
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How is my statement not true?

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How is my statement not true? Republicans try to legislate against homosexual marriage, which is unconstitutional on it's face, yet continue to run and or elect philanderers and cheats. ( see McCain, Sanford, Gingrich and Deal) The Iraq war has been proven to be unfounded. Bush's 1 trillion dollar tax break to the top 1% of the nation, followed by a great recession( see also Ronald Reagan who afterwards raised taxes 11 times) You also have the "swiftboating" of a verified war hero( see John Kerry). These are not left-wing media propaganda, they're history.
The more Republicans lose elections, and will continue to, the more extreme they become in their rhetoric and prevarications.
There is a German word that comes to mind, which we Democrats are beginning to feel, and will eventually arrive in fullness, schadenfreude, the feeling on gets when he sees someone get what they deserve.

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Riverman1 10/04/13 - 07:24 am
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Republicans Turned That Around Well

I do believe the Republicans successfully turned that "It's for the children" thing around on the Democrats this time. Harry Reid is on video with that major mistake.

justthefacts
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justthefacts 10/04/13 - 07:27 am
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That's interesting

When I see Libs spewing their tired old rhetoric, I, too, think of a German word.

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Truth Matters 10/04/13 - 07:28 am
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"We are a more divided

"We are a more divided country and people than every was,"

I, in no way will compare this president or any other walking human to Christ, but since that is part of the poster's name, I am sure she/he is aware that the world of Christ's day was divided. That did not mean that Christ himself was responsible for the division, however, His detractors certainly made that claim.

The point is that when one is disliked and held in such disdain as this president is by a segment of people who almost exclusively share a few of the same characteristics, I ask myself the question, " is it the president or is it them?"

At the beginning of this presidency I gave the GOP the benefit of the doubt. They loved America but disagreed on how to make it better. They have squandered that benefit and this it not about Obama anymore but about a party that's gone into a realm of "obsessive compulsive behavior." Those are legitimate areas of disagreement. But too many in the GOP rank denied that the president was legitimately elected, denied his citizenship (no such denial of Ted Cruz) and denied his profession of Christianity. You of all people would know that the Bible says if one confesses belief in Christ he shall be saved. And we blame the president for being divisive.

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GACopprhed 10/04/13 - 07:30 am
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deestafford

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Will you continue to deny that 72% of Americans disapprove of this shut down and STILL a majority of those polled blame the Republicans? Here is just one poll, and I have yet to find one that proves otherwise:
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/10/03/Americans-unhappy-about-shutdo...

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GACopprhed 10/04/13 - 07:33 am
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Good post, TruthMatters,

Unpublished

Good post, TruthMatters, also, if I'm not mistaken, a Muslim professing Christianity deserves death.....

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GACopprhed 10/04/13 - 07:36 am
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I just figured it out!!!

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I just figured it out!!! OMG!!!! Ted Cruz is part of a Canadian plot to destroy America!!!!!!!

Riverman1
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Riverman1 10/04/13 - 07:48 am
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" a Muslim professing

" a Muslim professing Christianity deserves death....."

Huh?

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nofanofobama 10/04/13 - 07:57 am
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gacop...as the infamous words

gacop...as the infamous words by jethro tull in the album "thick as a brick"...i may make you feel but i cant make you think"....its good thing for dims that so many rely on feelings and NOT analytical thought..

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OJP 10/04/13 - 08:02 am
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There are enough votes in the House to end this.

But Boehner will not call the vote. It's ridiculous. The GOP is playing games with our economy.

And as the ACES pointed out, expecting the President to agree to defund his signature legislation was and is ludicrous. The GOP knew refusing to fund it would result in a shut down. The GOP caused this and most Americans know that (and more are realizing it every day this continues).

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justthefacts 10/04/13 - 08:01 am
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Lamestream media

"Here is just one poll, and I have yet to find one that proves otherwise:" Just proves the effectiveness of the media in this country and further shows how Obama got elected in the first place.

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Rhetor 10/04/13 - 08:07 am
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give it a rest

ACES, there is an old saying: when you've dug yourself into a hole, and the roof is caving in, it's time to stop digging.

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