Sense and sensibilities

Mental health policy underlies Navy Yard shooting, not gun laws

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The default position of liberals after every mass shooting tragedy – gun control – makes less sense than ever in the case of the Washington Navy Yard massacre.

We know it’s an easy, feel-good knee-jerk reaction. Fact is, the blood hadn’t stopped running in D.C. by the time actor Henry Winkler sent out a sarcastic tweet about the need for gun control.

But what amount of gun control would have prevented an episode by an inarguably deranged man with approved access to a secure military installation where guns are – guess what – already banned? And in a city that Guns and Ammo magazine ranks as the strictest in the nation on guns?

It may feel good to seek gun control after such tragedies. But it actually would do nothing to prevent such calamities, and would only disarm sane, law-abiding Americans.

Meanwhile, this blame-the-implement mentality tends to let real culpability slide out the back door.

The Navy Yard shooter, Aaron Alexis, had serious mental illness issues, including reported paranoia and hearing voices. Reports indicate he’d been treated by the Veterans Administration for mental illness.

That’s one thing: Even after multiple mass shootings in Newtown and Aurora and elsewhere by people with easily discernible mental illness problems, this country has done next to nothing to reform its mental health system and laws.

But in addition, it’s inconceivable to us that after the massacre at Fort Hood by a raving radical Muslim that the Pentagon and defense industries wouldn’t have done a better job of
policing their ranks and screening out the lunatics.

As noted above, Alexis wore red flags like a sash. How could this guy have maintained a security clearance? If the VA and defense industry aren’t allowed to compare notes on potential threats, the law needs to change – not only to allow it, but to mandate it!

Far from taking guns away from people, this government actually needs to re-examine whether it’s smart to disarm members of the military on bases. Of all places, our men and women in uniform, and those civilians who work side by side with them, should not be forced to be sitting ducks to lone gunmen. How many lives might have been saved if Alexis’ victims had been armed?

As some have wryly noted in social media, it’s interesting – if not blatantly hypocritical – that the Obama administration is arming the rebels in Syria while promoting the disarming of law-abiding Americans.

To put a finer point on that: By definition, gun laws disarm only the law-abiding.

We can have that debate yet again, ad nauseam. But it misses the point. And all the while, our mental health laws are antiquated and our mental health infrastructure is more neglected than our crumbling bridges.

Guns aren’t the issue. The issue is dealing with the small fraction of the mentally ill who pose a danger to others.

It’s an indelicate matter that must be dealt with delicately. But it must be dealt with.

As soon as we start worrying more about sense than sensibilities.

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specsta
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specsta 09/18/13 - 02:15 am
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Guns and Bullets and Coffins

ACES wrote - "Guns aren't the issue. The issue is dealing with the small fraction of the mentally ill who pose a danger to others."

It doesn't take a "mental illness" to kill another human being with a gun. Pulling a trigger can happen in a snap decision, by people who are perfectly sane. That's why folks are gunned down after a minor car wreck, during a fight over a video game, after an argument between a husband and wife, by a trigger-happy cop who feels threatened by a 98-pound teenager, by a driver who gets cut off in traffic, or by a robber on the street - ANYBODY with a gun has the ability to take another person's life in a split-second.

And it has nothing to do with sanity or insanity. It has to do with SELFISHNESS, to have the idiotic audacity to believe that a gun will remedy a situation.

So yes - GUNS ARE THE ISSUE. The more guns and bullets, the more killings, the more murders, the more home accidents, the more violence and bloodshed in our streets. The gun culture has decimated the idea of safety in this country.

myfather15
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myfather15 09/18/13 - 09:23 am
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HOLD THE PRESS!!

Specsta has brought up a valid point!! Anybody with a gun has the ABILITY to take another person's life in a split second!!

Wait; anyone with HANDS has the ability to take another person's life in a split second as well........Hhhhhmmmm; maybe we should ban those as well. After all, people don't really need hands do they?

Maybe specsta would prefer these video gamers, car wreckers and trigger happy cops stab people to death or just bludgeon them with baseball bats or 2x4's. The list of items that can be used to kill quickly in endless!! The vast majority of serial killers NEVER used a firearm to kill their victims.

Then, in the last paragraph; they intentionally deceive people by saying "The more guns and bullets, the more killings, the more murders, the more home accidents, the more violence and bloodshed in our streets."

When THIS is simply NOT true!! It's been proven time and again that States who've made it EASIER to carry; have seen downgrades in violent crimes. Yet States and City's that have VERY STRICT gun laws, have seen an increase or steady crime rate, Chicago and D.C. anyone? Chicago is leading the nation in murder rates with firearms but has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation.

But this common sense will go NOWHERE with liberals!! Why? Because they have ZERO interest in common sense; their only concern is their agenda and they will use ANYTHING to achieve it.

myfather15
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myfather15 09/18/13 - 04:34 am
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The mental illness aspect is a VERY touchy issue!!

We deal with it EVERY single day. But how do you take a individuals RIGHTS away from them, because they are talking to themselves, hearing voices, paranoid, etc; IF that person has never harmed someone?

Do you realize how many people are like this out here, who have NEVER harmed another human being? For every ONE that harms someone or does a MASS SHOOTING, there are probably thousands suffering mental illenss who've never harmed someone. So, are we to take their rights from them and lock them up because we as a society FEAR they MIGHT eventually do something? I would like to hear people's opinion on this, because this is a TOUGH, tough issue.

We treat them and treat them and treat them; but it doesn't appear to work. Families are constantly calling LE for help when they simply don't know what to do anymore. They are placed in the hundreds of hospitals throughout the State; but they too are overcrowded and usually only hold them 72 hours and then release them for outpatient care.

There simply is NOT a cure for this!! I don't care how brilliant you are, you will never fix this without deciding to violate the rights of people who have done nothing and THAT I disagree with. But people are getting scared of the mentally ill, so I could see this happening one day.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 09/18/13 - 05:15 am
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I'll say it again. Every time
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I'll say it again.

Every time there is an act of terror, we are reminded that we shouldn't judge all Muslims by the acts of a radical few. It is high time that the anti-gun liberals gave that same courtesy to the 80 million peaceful, law abiding gun owners.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 09/18/13 - 05:17 am
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"So yes - GUNS ARE THE ISSUE.
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"So yes - GUNS ARE THE ISSUE. The more guns and bullets, the more killings, the more murders, the more home accidents, the more violence and bloodshed in our streets. "

Using the same logic, if 1% of Muslims are extremists, then the more Muslims we have, the more terrorists we have.... Using Specsta's own logic, we clearly have a Muslim problem.

Bodhisattva
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Bodhisattva 09/18/13 - 06:03 am
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And then there's Australia. A

And then there's Australia. A perfect example of how more people carrying guns leads to less gun violence.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 09/18/13 - 06:11 am
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So Bod...are you going to
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So Bod...are you going to post a study on the crime rate in the cities/states with the most restrictive gun control laws, or are you afraid that wouldn't fit your per-conceived conclusion?

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 09/18/13 - 06:13 am
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Bod....your Australia example
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Bod....your Australia example is simply not true. Maybe that's why you didn't provide a link to that incorrect tid-bit. But again...never let the truth get in the way of rhetoric.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2974487/posts

localguy55
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localguy55 09/18/13 - 06:21 am
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Way to go myfather15 and

Way to go myfather15 and Humble Angela. Specsta, THUGGS AND VIOLENCE IS ISSUE not gun control. You have demonstrated why the liberal arguement of controling violence by taking guns from everyone, does not hold water. A few days ago there was a home invasion and abduction in Georgia of a teen girl. If the parent had a weapon perhaps the outcome would have been different. And we know how 99 percent of abductions end up. If pedators know a person is armed, they are less likely to attack. And these days are more violent than ever. It stands to reason that more law abiding people need to be armed rather than disarmed as Specsta believes. Do you really think criminals will hand over their weapons when the big gun grab starts. I don't think so and you should worry more of being victimised, if the government comes for our guns.

ymnbde
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ymnbde 09/18/13 - 06:32 am
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liberals created this environment

and in this environment it takes a gun to protect oneself
don't like guns?
correct the situation that caused me to need one

nocnoc
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nocnoc 09/18/13 - 06:59 am
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The facts show

We have liars that are politicians.

We have Hollywood people with dying careers that want camera time.

We have UnVetted sources that spew info to fit their agenda and the Media publishes it.

We have people with a planned Anti-Gun agenda for us, but openly admit they have ARMED bodyguards to protect themselves.

Members of our government that are screaming stronger background checks, while their administration is NOT providing data to agencies that would have block the purchase of this weapon.

Our Government trusted this self proclaimed nut job to work all areas cleared and safe, then issued him a Security Clearance.

Gary Ross
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Gary Ross 09/18/13 - 07:06 am
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What's the point

of trying to communicate common sense to these leftists. Their ears are permanantly bent in the direction of their god and nothing will ever change that. This is a good letter!

On a personal note, I never considered owning a gun until recently. In the last 5 years there were 10 burglaries of my home while I was away at work. Only one was investigated to the point where arrests were actually made. (Mega-shame on the sheriff's department for lazy neglect) My point is, the 3 that were caught have long criminal records and their reason was to buy meth. My biggest fear is that next time they won't wait until I leave for work to break in my home. I now have a surprize waiting for them, if they choose to do this when I'm home. I'm sick of putting my trust in government, hoping they will provide protection and security.

soapy_725
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soapy_725 09/18/13 - 07:27 am
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The USSR knew how to deal with the anti social. Gulag.
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The USSR knew how to deal with the anti social. Gulag.

soapy_725
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soapy_725 09/18/13 - 07:28 am
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Our Great Savior is turning the asylum loose on its citizens.
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Our Great Savior is turning the asylum loose on its citizens.

soapy_725
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soapy_725 09/18/13 - 07:29 am
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Does Obamasia hate America? Look at his fruits. Does a bear...
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Does Obamasia hate America? Look at his fruits. Does a bear...

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 09/18/13 - 07:31 am
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Bod...I apologize on the
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Bod...I apologize on the Australia comment. I misread your comment. Sorry.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 09/18/13 - 07:32 am
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More people driving cars
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More people driving cars leads to more car violence. Better ban them.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 09/18/13 - 07:40 am
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A Shotgun and Joe Biden

Didn't the shooter have only a shotgun to begin? He killed the guard and took his automatic rifle and 9mm pistol. Not even Joe Biden proposes taking shotguns from the people.

CobaltGeorge
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CobaltGeorge 09/18/13 - 08:09 am
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Good Morning "Second Amendment" America.

I love Guns! I love everything about them! It has been sort of a hobby in my life. Up until recent, I owned over 100 of all types, Rifles, Muskets, Shotguns, Pistols, Bolt action, Lever Actions, Automatic, Semi-Automatic. So what I see coming down the road, I have now given them to my 4 sons, keeping my AR's, AK's, one shotgun, 3 hunting rifles (300 Rem mag, 270, 22-250), 2 carries (Taurus PT-101 and a Taurus 92 AFS), Two antiques (1886 Winchester 40-65 handed down from the Grandfather and a M2 Rolling Block Single shot .22 given me on my 7th birthday by my father).

Now with that said, I am done posting comments on any anti-gun, brainless, no common sense comment made like the first one on this topic. It is the "HATE OF SOMETHING" in the minds of humans that cause the killings we see daily and mass murders like the Navy Yard massacre. The movie "Law Abiding Citizen" is a good example of the point I'm trying to make. No guns were used and many were killed.

Have I killed another human? Yes! Reason, for my America, Freedom and the protection of our U.S. Constitution.

The only thing more I need to say about Gun-Control is displayed on my Ford King Ranch's tail gate.......

MY SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS "Shall Not Be Infringed"

harley_52
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harley_52 09/18/13 - 07:56 am
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Political Correctness...

...is the true villain here.

The Naval Yard shooter was a known problem, but nobody was willing to do anything about it for fear of being labeled a "racist." Fire him, you're a "racist." Don't hire him, you're a "racist." Write him a bad efficiency report, you're a "racist." Refuse him a security clearance, you're a "racist." Throw him in jail for previous gun violence episodes, you're a "racist." You get the picture?

This episode, like the Fort Hood shooter case, is "progressive" inspired Political Correctness at work.

In these instances, like most other societal tragedies of our time, you can thank the liberals for the damage and carnage they have caused.

CobaltGeorge
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CobaltGeorge 09/18/13 - 08:04 am
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Oh, One More Thing!

I WILL kill protecting my Family and Property.
I WILL kill fighting any government (Foreign and Domestic) who tries to Destroy America and our U.S. Constitution. Period.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 09/18/13 - 08:04 am
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Political correctness is one
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Political correctness is one of the most vile and dangerous forms of dishonesty I know.

Jon Lester
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Jon Lester 09/18/13 - 08:10 am
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CobaltGeorge, what do you do for a living?

Owning automatic weapons is prohibitively expensive for most people, as per the National Firearms Act of 1934.

CobaltGeorge
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CobaltGeorge 09/18/13 - 08:16 am
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Jon

You are right, do you know what a Tommy Gun was....Did I say it was operable (certified non-operable). I know the law and follow it very closely.

CobaltGeorge
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CobaltGeorge 09/18/13 - 08:20 am
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Jon,

Did you know that AR's and AK's are semi-automatic but can be fired automatic without modification!

I do it many times.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 09/18/13 - 08:25 am
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Bump fire?
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Bump fire?

CobaltGeorge
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CobaltGeorge 09/18/13 - 08:32 am
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You Got It Angela.

but can be expensive! One 30 round magazine is like lighting a $50.00 fire cracker.

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 09/18/13 - 09:00 am
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Quote from editorial

"The default position of liberals after every mass shooting tragedy – gun control – makes less sense than ever in the case of the Washington Navy Yard massacre"

I am not up to speed on all gun control laws. IF THERE is no written, enforcable law concerning the mentally ill, THEN EVERYONE should at least agree that this MUST be written laws even if it means more laws.

Truth Matters
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Truth Matters 09/18/13 - 09:02 am
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"As some have wryly noted in

"As some have wryly noted in social media, it’s interesting – if not blatantly hypocritical – that the Obama administration is arming the rebels in Syria while promoting the disarming of law-abiding Americans."

Not true.

Just like some tell those who voice concern regarding unnecessarily strict voter registration laws, if you have nothing to hide, what is the problem?

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