Zero credibility

Mideast blundering is standard operating procedure for United Nations

RICK MCKEE/STAFF
This Augusta Chronicle editorial cartoon from 2006 illustrates the chronic ineffectiveness of the United Nations. Nothing has changed.
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President Obama’s recent assertion that he never drew a “red line” on the use of chemical weapons by Syria was a joke – literally.

His longtime champion David Letterman, in a downcast sort of way, joked that his hero had taken five years but had finally learned how to lie (although the
comedian used a less printable word).

Others in the normally sycophantic American media also had to admit, as some on CNN did, that Mr. Obama’s assertion was “disingenuous.”

At the same time, Mr. Obama claimed his credibility was just fine. It’s the world’s credibility that should be worried about, he said.

Well, his credibility is not fine, as noted above. But on his last point, we agree:

For its abject failure to deal in a peaceful but firm and united way with the evil being perpetrated by the Assad regime in Syria, the so-called “international community” has zero credibility.

In fact, it’s difficult to make a case that there even is an “international community.”

Blame Russia and China. The two regimes have thwarted any and all attempts to rein in Bashar al-Assad as he has killed over 100,000 of his own citizens and, allegedly, used horrid chemical weapons in some instances.

Assad is their boy, particularly Vladimir Putin’s.

The truth of the matter is that we’re seeing in Syria a Cold War-style proxy war in which Russia directly, and indirectly through its client state Iran, is fighting to maintain, and maybe expand, its foothold in the Mideast.

Cold War II?

Blame, too, the United Nations, which is populated with despotic, freedom-hating, America-bashing regimes, and whose structure is as outdated as the Charleston. Any one of the five permanent members of the Security Council can veto a resolution, and China and Russia have used that power to prolong the genocide in Syria.

What good are you going to get done in the world if the planet’s biggest communist regimes have a veto? It’s insane!

In almost every way, the United Nations is a miserable failure, with terrorism and genocides and nuclear proliferation multiplying right under its bloated nose. And while governments have come and gone through the years, the United Nations parties on like it’s 1945 – unreformed, unable and unmoved.

Ban Ki-moon, the secretary general of the United Nations, had to admit last week that it was guilty of a “collective failure” in Syria.

A new book alleges writer Ernest Hemingway was a spectator at firing squads in revolutionary Cuba. We don’t know about that, but if so he wouldn’t be any worse than the United Nations. President Obama has made a mess of the Syria situation – but he was handed that mess by the do-nothing United Nations, which has enjoyed a front-row seat to the slaughter.

The president has squandered his and his office’s credibility.

The “international community” never had it to begin with.

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Riverman1
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Riverman1 09/15/13 - 03:43 am
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A Farewell to Arms

"What good are you going to get done in the world if the planet’s biggest communist regimes have a veto?"

There's only one communist regime left on the Security Council and that's China. Russia is now a Putinism form of government, whatever that means and not that it helps us any.

Bodhisattva
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Bodhisattva 09/15/13 - 07:07 am
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"Intelligence gathered by
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"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the [Syrian] regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised. This regime has already used weapons of mass destruction...against [Syria's] people"

"We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, VX nerve gas."

Rhetor
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Rhetor 09/15/13 - 07:36 am
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cant stand it, can you?

The President took a tough line on Syria, against Congressional opposition from the liberals (as expected), the isolationists (as expected), and the flip-flopping Republican hard-liners (also expected). Syria caved in and a diplomatic solution with no military intervention necessary seems likely. In other words, total victory for Obama's policy. And you guys can't stand it, can you?

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 09/15/13 - 08:13 am
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No, they can't....

Rhetor, you have it just right. You might also have pointed out that Mike Ryan essentially lies when he claims President Obama lied about setting that "red line." He knows perfectly well what Obama said, that he didn't set the red line, the old Geneva Agreement, updated by the 1993 CWC set the line. In the world of a disfunctional UN, Obama was saying that the U.S. was put in the position of having to uphold and execute the already exiting red line. Ryan knows this, but prefers to bash and ridicule the President.

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Jon Lester 09/15/13 - 08:31 am
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I would expect your readership to care about their fellow

Christians in Syria, and what kind of future they face under a post-Assad regime. Right now there's a battle happening in Maaloula, where people still speak a dialect of Aramaic.

If anyone's been thwarted, it's the house of Saud and the Qatari crown, both of whom have been anxious to advance Sunni supremacy with American force, with the full knowledge that their proxies want to establish something much worse than the fascist police state under Ba'ath rule.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 09/15/13 - 08:40 am
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Rhetor (and others who say
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Rhetor (and others who say Obama policy is working). Obama threatened to use military action if chemical weapons were used....well, chemical weapons WERE used and thousands died. How is that a success?

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 09/15/13 - 08:51 am
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Obama didn't set the red
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Obama didn't set the red line? Really. The revisionist are out in full....especially since Syria never signed onto the Geneva Agreement.

Here's Obama "not setting" the red line.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avQKLRGRhPU

localguy55
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localguy55 09/15/13 - 09:00 am
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Rhetor and effete elitist

Rhetor and effete elitist liberal,
Stop carrying this impotent President's water. See him as he is and not what you want him to be. He is a narcissist that lacks credibility here in the U.S. as well as the rest of the world. He was schooled by Putin in public, one of the most humiliating acts of disrespect of a U.S. President in modern history if not ever. His Foriegn policy is a laughing stock in the world and the entire world is watching a Greek Tragedy unfold with Mr. Obama playing the role as court jester for all the worlds depot's amusement.

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 09/15/13 - 09:25 am
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Quote from editorial

"President Obama’s recent assertion that he never drew a “red line” on the use of chemical weapons by Syria was a joke – literally"

Even liberals can't diffend this one. Obama drew this line thinking that Syria WOULD NOT cross a super-power!! Obama had no appropriate back up plan, although he had the backing of Sen. McCain and Graham.

harley_52
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harley_52 09/15/13 - 09:26 am
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Batman Revisited...

The ACES makes a couple of excellent points about the Syrian situation, but misses another.

Yes, it's true the United Nations is a feckless, toothless, ineffective money pit from the perspective of the United States. This has been true since its creation. We pour billions of dollars into an organization of nations that mostly hate us. We've known that for decades.

Yes, it's also true that you can't trust a communist. And yes, we've know that for decades as well. Trillions of dollars and millions of lives have been spent proving and reinforcing that fact.

So, with that background, let's see what's developing with Syria's "1,000 tons" of chemical weapons. President Obama issues an ill advised threat identifying a "red line," virtually assuring an international confrontation. Bashar Assad (the ruthless Syrian dictator) repeatedly calls his hand. As we stumble towards war, a communist (Putin) proposes a solution before Obama conducts some sort of ill-conceived military intervention. The details are hastily hashed out by John Kerry and another communist (Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavro). The plan calls for Syria to immediately identify all their chemical weapons and then immediately destroy them. This process will by supervised by the United Nations. In order for Bashar Assad to agree to this deal, the U.S. must stop their "policy of threats against Syria" and promise not to attack them.

What could go wrong?

The answer is, of course, everything. It ain't gonna happen.

If ANYBODY really believes that the world will soon be rid of all of these chemical weapons, I have a bridge I'd love to sell them.

We can (I am convinced) all rest assured that many/most of these weapons are already in the hands of Hezbollah, Al Qaeda, and any of about a hundred other Muslim terrorist organizations who will use them against civilized society at every opportunity.

I'm reminded of a scene from the original Batman movie in which he ends up holding a bomb and, no matter how hard he tries, no matter all his best intentions, he just can't throw it away. Finally, in desperation, and just before it explodes he concludes.....

"Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb!"

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 09/15/13 - 09:31 am
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Quote from editorial

"For its abject failure to deal in a peaceful but firm and united way with the evil being perpetrated by the Assad regime in Syria, the so-called “international community” has zero credibility"

Even though Obama's "red line" made him personally weak, his proposed missile strikes DID bring out the ugly truth about where the rest of the free world stands. When The US lost Great Britian, so many of the rest of the countries followed.

harley_52
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harley_52 09/15/13 - 09:32 am
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"Ryan knows this...

....but prefers to bash and ridicule the President."

Mr. Ryan knows the facts. You condemn him and accuse him of "essentially" lying for relating them.

How "progressive" of you.

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 09/15/13 - 09:37 am
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Quote from editorial

"In fact, it’s difficult to make a case that there even is an “international community.”"

OH, there is an international community which includes The US. In my opinion, unfortunately we all lack intestinal fortitude against Russia and China. I guess, in this case, the result is a situation that may brevent going in with military force!!

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 09/15/13 - 09:40 am
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You are right, Harley.
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You are right, Harley. Accuses of lying, and backs up the accusation with NOTHING. That is VERY progressive.

DeepThink
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DeepThink 09/15/13 - 09:40 am
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Your de minimis editorial is

Your de minimis editorial is what has zero credibility. None of the Europeans or the UN threatened Syria with the use of force. The US did.....and Syria and it's allies like Russia blinked. It's all about results...if we ultimately get the chemical weapons destroyed without firing one shot, it'll be a success!

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 09/15/13 - 09:42 am
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Quote from editorial

"Blame Russia and China"

If The US continues this, where does that leave us??!! Is there absolutely any way in this modern day of high tech weapons that the free world can make a stand like Kennedy did?

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 09/15/13 - 09:46 am
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Quote from editorial

"Cold War II?"

So with China's and Russia's stand on this issue, are we left to only believe this will be resulting out come?

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 09/15/13 - 09:47 am
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Deepthink.... What are you
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Deepthink.... What are you talking about? The US threatened military force, and THEN Syria used chemical weapons anyway. Is that what you call results?

harley_52
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harley_52 09/15/13 - 12:01 pm
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The Red Line...

...was set by Obama.

Facts are often difficult for "Progressives," but they do love to call names.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avQKLRGRhPU

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 09/15/13 - 09:51 am
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Quote from editorial

"Any one of the five permanent members of the Security Council can veto a resolution, and China and Russia have used that power to prolong the genocide in Syria"

The UN is probably not going to do anything anyway, BUT this idea of 100 percent agreement on the Security Council is something that should be done away with.

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 09/15/13 - 09:58 am
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harley_52

You should stick to rock and roll.

faithson
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faithson 09/15/13 - 10:03 am
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reminds me of so many desperate comments by the right

Palin, West, Unhofe, Broun, Gomer, Fox in the morning, our own angel, ad infinitum... Nut head group that I would put the Chronicle at the top of. Class acts all.

grouse
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grouse 09/15/13 - 10:14 am
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I guess this means The
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I guess this means The Chronicle wanted war...unless Obama sent bombs, then they would be against it...

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 09/15/13 - 10:22 am
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Thanks, faithson for a long
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Thanks, faithson for a long list of non-substantive name calling. You do your side justice.

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ymnbde 09/15/13 - 10:27 am
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there is a penalty for innocence, too

Obama is innocent of bombing Syria
and that innocence makes terrorists fear us less
and that innocence sets in motion future attacks
and that innocence shows our own timidity and immorality
and that innocence is simply a substitute for incompetence
chemical weapons used on children should automatically trigger a response
from people who know right from wrong
and have the power to right wrongs
directed to the people who don't know the difference
the civilized world is diminished
by O's innocence

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 09/15/13 - 10:27 am
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Some on the left here are
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Some on the left here are singing praises to Obama despite these facts. Obama threatened military action if Syria used chemical weapons. They used them anyway....MORE THAN ONCE....and the US did nothing but make the same threat again. If the first threat didn't stop them the other multiple times from using these weapons, what makes you think another threat will do any better?

harley_52
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harley_52 09/15/13 - 10:36 am
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"You should stick to rock and roll."

The classy thing for you to do is to apologize to Mr. Ryan for your "essentially lies" comment.

I won't hold my breath.

carcraft
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carcraft 09/15/13 - 10:45 am
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Here is where we stand! If I

Here is where we stand! If I am wrong I am sure liberals will correct me! Obama drew a line in the sand. This is indisputable. Assad used chemical weapons the US would punish him with a military strike . Perriod, can't be disputed. Syria used chemical weapons, disputable but Obama said Assad did! Obama said he, as Commander in Chief, could use military force to attack Syria with out congressional approval. Obama then takes a walk and decides to ask for congressional approval. Congress seems about ready to vote no. Obama appeals to US allies. Frances is the only country to say yes. Kerry gives a speech and is ask by a reporter what could stop a US strike. Kerry answers with Assad getting rid of his chemical weapons. Putin pounces on it, Kerry and the state department back pedal. Obama then accepts. This is state craft by blunder. Nobody blinked other than Kerry as he attempted to extract his foot from his mouth. Putin and Assad will foot drag etc until this is like Obama's closing GITMO!

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rmwhitley 09/15/13 - 10:42 am
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The prez
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is about as useful as a boil on my derriere.

harley_52
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harley_52 09/15/13 - 10:44 am
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"Nut head group that I would put the Chronicle at the top of..."

Is that a quote from Plato, or Churchill?

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