Outmaneuvered

Putin's strategy pushes bumbling administration further into failure

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President Obama was his usual smooth-spoken self in his speech on Syria Tuesday night, and his emotional appeals were compellingly delivered.

But like meringue, which takes up a lot of space without much substance, his speech dissolved in an instant, amid events that are leading him, rather than the other way around.

Despite his Pee Wee Herman-like attempt to portray the Russian peace proposal as his initiative all along – “I meant to do that!” the comedic character would say when events spiraled out of his control – it’s clear to most observers that Mr. Obama and his administration have been outmaneuvered at every turn. And the American bumbling now has the perverse effect of making Vladimir Putin and Bashar al-Assad look peace-loving and magnanimous.

We know that’s not the case, of course. Assad is annihilating his own people, allegedly at times with some of the cruelest chemical weapons known to mankind. Putin, meanwhile, has, with China’s help, blocked any United Nations efforts to slow Assad’s assassinations.

How an American president put such people in the driver’s seat will just have to be sorted out by head-shaking historians. But this all made for the most bizarre presidential prime-time address in our nation’s history.

“Here’s a president,” summed up syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer, “who urgently addresses a nation on all (television) channels to call for a pause on something that the nation doesn’t want to do in the first place. This is almost unbelievable.”

Putin’s maneuver, a brilliant chess move, forced the Nobel Peace Prize President to back away from a military strike. That, and the fact that Congress and the American people were about to do it themselves. Now the American president is forced to consider a completely disingenuous proposal. Who truly believes the Syrians would hand over their complete stockpiles of chemical weapons, or that their chief patron at the Kremlin even wants that?

The terms are a nonstarter, as well: Obama must agree to have the American military stand down. In short, unconditional surrender. What exactly is there to mull over?

“A farce,” is how Krauthammer characterized the Russian proposal.

To understand the magnitude of Obama’s folly and its collateral damage to the prestige and credibility of the office of president, imagine the Cuban missile crisis – only with the Russians winning.

Whatever the klutzy, accidental outcome, it should not involve a strike on Syria. What Assad has done is pure evil, but it is simply not in our capacity to eradicate all the planet’s evil, or to punish its incarnations militarily. We have no business in Syria, our national interest is not obtainable with the nose of a missile, and Mr. Obama has yet to explain away the possible consequences of a strike.

All the blundering, too, will likely have repercussions.

For one thing, the next president will have to get a color other than red to draw lines. With his reckless talk, inept actions and incoherent policies, Mr. Obama has made red lines an international joke.

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Riverman1
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Riverman1 09/12/13 - 09:44 am
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Then What?

So Putin tells Obama that he got all the chemical weapons from Assad. We know it's a lie. Then what?

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 09/12/13 - 09:52 am
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Incompetence

Carcraft posted:

Now we are told by the left that speaking truth to power is the highest form of patriotism. So when we speak truth to Obama, i.e., you are being rolled by Putin and look like an incompetent, the left gets their boxers in a bunch! Go Figure!

It is way more than merely looking like an incompetent. Obama is actually incompetent.

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 09/12/13 - 10:09 am
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Truth Matters @ 7:41

"So, is the ACES in favor of military intervention?"

I would say diffenently NOT. I think the editorial is rightfully stating just how much Obama has put his foot in his mouth, yet again!! Even moderate liberals CAN NOT debate you conservatives on that!!

harley_52
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harley_52 09/12/13 - 10:10 am
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"Then what?"

Truth be known, it's very likely large quantities of those chemical weapons are already in the hands of Hezbollah, a muzzie terrorist group aligned with Syria via Iran.

The genie is out of the bottle in terms of chemical weapons. There is no hope of containing, or controlling them. This is all for show.

The only goal now is to save Obama's reputation after his "red line" threat.

Take that to the bank.

harley_52
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harley_52 09/12/13 - 10:12 am
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Where Did These Chemical Weapons Come From?

Remember those WMD we didn't find when we invaded Iraq?

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 09/12/13 - 10:14 am
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KSL @ 8:23

"You are admitting you were wrong. When are you going to stand up to your president?"

Isn't it enough to have to EAT CROW untill this thing is resolved!!

By the way, I left you a message on the Rants & Raves. THANK-YOU for noticing the thing that you said to me!!

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 09/12/13 - 10:20 am
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KSL @ 8:30

"Have you ever heard of paragraphs? I cannot get through your entire posts.

I want to know the schools you and bledsoe attended"

Can not say that I was not adiquately taught. The spelling thing is something that I have always had. However, the punctuation thing has been all but taken care of thanks to the teachings of a certain commenter!!

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 09/12/13 - 10:27 am
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Bizkit
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Bizkit 09/12/13 - 10:30 am
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They didn't find WMDs (well a

They didn't find WMDs (well a few lost ones apparently and some equipment0 but the inspectors did state and see the potential of Saddam resuming the programs in the future. He was on hold basically as he had complied (beat to submission) with the UN. I do believe that Bush and Cheney were planning to remove Saddam due to his past actions of using chemical weapon, etc. (they guy was a raving lunatic as his sons) before 9/11. Both the US and UK stated their intelligence indicated the potential for WMDs-course that is a partial truth (just like Obama with Benghazi) they were cherry-pickin' the info that supported their case and ignored the significant counter intelligence. They had this hair brained scheme of nation building and bringing democracy to the Middle East (which would have been a worthy cause). Well the best laid plans of mice and men. I think they hadn't realized how the Middle East had changed with an explosion of young people (many uneducated) ready for change. After 9/11 they should have put their plans on hold till the immediate threat was eliminated-the two war front was a terrible idea. We lost the most lives in nation building not taking Iraq-Afghanistan has always been a quagmire (ask Putin).

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 09/12/13 - 10:40 am
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Good morning HA

"It's a free download"

Again with the teaching! I am being honest, NO JOKES, you should be payed for you geneousity ( spl )!!

Don't think I can possibly compete with you on this editorial. I have to admit there is not a whole lot I can debate about. You conservatives REALLY win on this one!! Maybe check back later.

harley_52
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harley_52 09/12/13 - 10:40 am
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"the two war front was a terrible idea"

Yes, hindsight tells us that's true, especially when we "won" neither war.

At the time (and with the intelligence available at the time) they both seemed like a good idea. If "winning" was the goal, I mean.

We're a lot wiser, these days, about things that happened a decade ago.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 09/12/13 - 10:44 am
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Really Bush was after Saddam

Really Bush was after Saddam for using chemical weapons just like Obama is after Assad for using chemical weapons. The act of having done it demands justice from such tyranny just like any crime. You can't deny both have used chemical weapons against international agreements. Seems people should support both or neither to be consistent. I choose neither.

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dichotomy 09/12/13 - 10:49 am
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Obama is simply a

Obama is simply a disaster.....every move, every policy, every executive order. One disaster, or "train wreck", after another.

Obama should be glad he's not running Japanese company. By now, he would be expected to do the honorable thing.

Of course, I have to admit this latest screw up has sure tamped down the discussions on Benghazi, Obamacare, the budget, the pipeline, and all of the other screw ups. Obama has always been good about diverting attention from one screw up by committing another.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 09/12/13 - 10:52 am
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tbledsoe you are an enigma.

tbledsoe you are an enigma. i'm just thankful you don't take a fancy to me-no insult intended. Refreshingly honest????? Although I wonder if you're a masochist because you like Humble to pound you daily.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 09/12/13 - 10:54 am
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Obama is such a comedian. Too

Obama is such a comedian. Too bad no one is laughing now. But just wait he'll be on Letterman making Putin jokes. Course he won't realize everyone will be laughing at him this time and not with him.

ColdBeerBoiledPeanuts
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ColdBeerBoiledPeanuts 09/12/13 - 11:00 am
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Player Played

Obama has been shown to be an amateur player and has been played by a professional!! He and several others need to be provided with a sippy cup that has a restrictor valve in it so that they can't drink so much of the Kool-Aid!!

carcraft
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carcraft 09/12/13 - 11:09 am
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I knew Obama was a screw up

I knew Obama was a screw up when I found out the neighborhood Obama "community organized" in was left worse when he than before he arrived. The problem is the press has covered for Obama with EVERY thing from the lies about his mother's health insurance to the Complete shales health care is in. Unemployment is higher than when Obama took office AND there are 94 million fewer people seeking employment or in the work force than when Obama took office! His green energy initiatives have a complete disaster (another company that got money from the US government went bankrupt). Any area Obama has touched is now screwed up!

harley_52
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harley_52 09/12/13 - 11:16 am
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"Really Bush was after Saddam for using chemical weapons...

....just like Obama is after Assad for using chemical weapons."

Well, personally, I don't think there's really any comparison between the two situations. Nor do I think Obama's announced rationale for attacking Syria is in any way credible.

Chemical weapons have been used a number of times in the past without the U.S. retaliating. Once was when Iraq used them against Iran during the Iran/Iraq war. Several other times Saddam used them against his own people, predominately the Kurds. We really don't know how many times he used them and against whom he used them. In fact, some believe the U.S. actually assisted Saddam in using chemical weapons against Iran because we believed Iran was about to win the war. There is also evidence that Assad has used chemical weapons against Syrian citizens one (or more) times before this last incident.

Making it even more cloudy, we still cannot say with any certainty that it was Assad, not the "rebels" who actually used the chemical weapons in this latest incident. There are several "confessions" by rebel forces in which they claim/admit it was them, not Assad, who used the chemical weapons.

Bush invaded Iraq because he 1) believed they had WMD (as did the rest of the world) and 2) they were cooperating with muzzie terrorists. The belief that they had used chemical weapons in prior years was not at the top of his list.

harley_52
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harley_52 09/12/13 - 11:19 am
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"Of course, I have to admit....

....this latest screw up has sure tamped down the discussions on Benghazi, Obamacare, the budget, the pipeline, and all of the other screw ups."

Absolutely no doubt in my mind that this is/was the motivating factor for him to start this whole affair.

fedex227
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fedex227 09/12/13 - 11:57 am
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"Bod, when you come up with consistent opinions ...
Unpublished

no matter which party is in the White House, maybe your posts will matter."

HA, your comments would probably carry more weight and relevance if they addressed the editorial instead of relying on cheap shots at other posters. BTW, the spell check room is available if you need it.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 09/12/13 - 12:52 pm
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Just think if the roles were

Just think if the roles were reversed the Dems would already be moving with impeachment proceedings to remove the incompetent president. These Rep are really pathetic at this game.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 09/12/13 - 01:10 pm
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Even the liberals

. . . see Obama's foreign policy weakness. Here's a story in today's Chronicle print edition:

By Julie Pace
Associated Press

WASHINGTON — The White House tried Wednesday to pin the success or failure of a diplomatic option to secure Syria’s chemical weapons on Russia rather than the United States. . . . White House spokesman Jay Carney declined to put a deadline on diplomatic efforts to resolve the standoff but said that bringing Syria’s chemical weapons stockpile under international control “obviously will take some time. Russia is now putting its prestige on the line.”

Senator Deb Fischer, R. Neb., who attended a Sunday night dinner with Obama and Biden, accused the president of engaging in “pinball diplomacy.” “Unfortunately, what we’ve seen from the commander in chief so far has been indecision, verbal gymnastics and a reluctance to step up and lead.”

Bizkit
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Bizkit 09/12/13 - 01:47 pm
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Well with any luck Obama will

Well with any luck Obama will pull a rope-a-dope and win the day and save face and his butt this time. I would love to see Putin with egg on his face because Obama rallied a rope-a-dope -cause we need some kind of miracle. It will be odd that America will shrink from a world power to be reckoned with to a laughing stock broke nation within two terms of Obama's presidency. He can blame it on Bush all he wants but history will clearly state he is the president and happened on his watch. First no retaliation for attacking America in Benghazi on 9/11 from last year and now have Russian and Putin play Obama like fiddle making him look the clown. Putin is a classic bully but he is a smart bully and quickly realized Obama's weaknesses and played them to his advantage. Sad cause I think Obama was really trying to set a standard that the constitution states that only Congress declares war despite (and because) past actions of numerous other presidents to for go Congress.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 09/12/13 - 02:19 pm
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"HA, your comments would
Unpublished

"HA, your comments would probably carry more weight and relevance if they addressed the editorial instead of relying on cheap shots at other posters. BTW, the spell check room is available if you need it."

You took a cheap shot that didn't address the editorial to say that I took a cheap shot that didn't address the editorial. I'm overwhelmed by the irony, Fedex.

carcraft
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carcraft 09/12/13 - 02:28 pm
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Bizkit , I have no sympathy

Bizkit , I have no sympathy for Obama! Obama lies, fabricates, belittles and bullies. He is so arrogant for some one of such little accomplishment it is amazing! Obama spent the first part of his speech criticizing Bush then almost verbatim quotes Bush's justification for Iraq as his justification for Syria. The unions that spent all that time and money getting him reelecting Obama now realize he is screwing up their health care over. Sorry but America elected the jerk and will have to live with the consequences!

harley_52
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harley_52 09/12/13 - 02:52 pm
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" I'm overwhelmed by the irony, Fedex."

Yes, I noticed the same thing.

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 09/12/13 - 03:05 pm
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Hey, peanut gang taunt ME

I have read the supposed "FUNNY" comments. If you are going to taunt someone, BY ALL MEANS, taunt me!!

HA doesn't owe me ANYTHING, and yet she continues to include me into her debates!! This I am very thankfull for, and for this reason, I say again, "If you are going to make fun of anyone, THEN; PLEASE; DO IT TO ME; ONLY!!"

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 09/12/13 - 03:38 pm
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Tim.....they are welcome to
Unpublished

Tim.....they are welcome to try making fun of me..........fedex just made himself look foolish with his comment.

KSL
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KSL 09/12/13 - 04:11 pm
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If he was not half black, he

If he was not half black, he would already be impeached.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 09/12/13 - 04:21 pm
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What was it I said about

What was it I said about these phony scandals sprouting legs-looks like the IRS scandal is sprouting legs and "someone" needs to starting begging for immunity before she goes to prison. Uh oh.

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