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Deputy's firing was justified; blow to the head was not

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There is disagreement in some quarters over precisely what happened when a white sheriff’s deputy struck an already prone and straddled black Augusta teen Aug. 3.

But there can be little doubt that it was a severe violation of departmental policy – and monumentally imbecilic to boot.

We can’t see that Richmond County Sheriff Richard Roundtree had any choice but to fire the deputy, as he did Monday.

Roundtree – the county’s first black sheriff – is reportedly firm in his belief that the incident wasn’t racial. As one source told us, the department believes the fired officer, Brian McDuffie, would’ve lashed out without regard to race, after the youth ran from the scene of a reported burglary in progress.

Still, with 15-year-old Kyvan James being black and McDuffie being white – and with the nation’s current racial climate, post-Trayvon Martin – you had to know the least whiff of impropriety by the officer could become an open sore.

What horrible judgment for an officer to put himself in that position, and to put the community’s race relations at that kind of risk.

On the strength of that
hideous lack of prudence alone, the officer’s job must be in play.

We don’t for a minute buy the canard that Trayvon Martin was some kind of innocent victim. But that’s the narrative that’s been sold in most of the media, and it is sure to infect incidents such as these across the breadth of the nation.

Indeed, young Mr. James reports having feared becoming another Trayvon.

Again, we believe that fear, while quite real, is sadly misguided. Trayvon Martin’s shooter was not a trained and uniformed officer. And in the Augusta case, all evidence indicates James had nothing to do with the crime the deputies were investigating.

The boy’s family says he ran from the scene out of such fear. As we have already noted, that was the evening’s first mistake.

Yet, in that combustible atmosphere, for a 260-pound white officer – the second officer on the boy’s back, no less – to take a gratuitous shot with a flashlight at the head of a 100-pound prostrate and partially-cuffed black teenager? That’s just insane.

Some, fueled by new claims by the fired officer, are arguing that the young man – who, again was underneath the first deputy – was casting about frighteningly close to the officer’s gun. They’re saying that justified McDuffie’s blow to James’ head.

But according to our source, McDuffie never made such a claim to his own sheriff’s department investigators – and he had several chances. Our source also says neither McDuffie nor the first officer to light upon the young man reported feeling threatened in any way by him.

Officers, our source says, are taught early on that the use of an “impact” weapon such as a baton or flashlight is reserved only for times of a life-and-death struggle. The reason: Such weapons can cause serious injury or death.

In racially charged cases, they can do even more damage.

In this case, however, neither officer reported feeling such a threat.

In short, just as there’s no reason to believe Kyvan James was put-upon because he’s black, there’s no evidence the officer was fired because he’s white.

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deestafford
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deestafford 08/15/13 - 03:14 am
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If black kids are fearful that they could become

the next Trayvon Martin shows how much ignorance and stupidity is running rampant in the black community.

To have instilled that kind of fear into the children shows how they can be manipulated by the ''leaders'' and their sources of information and news. What a shame!

No wonder they continue to feel they are some type of victims because of the circumstances they have put themselves in as a result of the wrong choices they have made throughout their lives.

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Riverman1 08/15/13 - 04:01 am
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Stroll Up and Hit

I saw pretty early this was not a racial matter in any way despite what the kid's mother said or for that matter what some are saying about the firing. It’s actually a case of the Sheriff supporting his officers doing the right thing. One thing I don’t like is the derogatory statements made by some in the media about Brandon Gandy, the officer who actually ran the kid down, apprehended him and honestly reported what had happened.

I heard him demeaned on the radio pretty badly when all he did was his job in a superb manner while the lumbering, 260 pound McDuffie was slow arriving on the action. The supervising Sergeant who responded to the scene and Internal Affairs supported what Gandy said.

Understand Gandy is white as is McDuffie and the supervising Sergeant. I believe the investigating Internal Affairs officer is also white. So this is NOT a racial matter. Sheriff Roundtree who is black is supporting Officer Gandy, the Sergeant and his IA officer who are all white. Geez, enough with the racial stuff.

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owensjef3 08/15/13 - 03:46 am
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I agree with river, he has
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I agree with river, he has had this one right from the start .

Bodhisattva
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Bodhisattva 08/15/13 - 03:54 am
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"No wonder they continue to

"No wonder they continue to feel they are some type of victims because of the circumstances they have put themselves in as a result of the wrong choices they have made throughout their lives."

Such as being born with the wrong color skin.

Percent of population:
White-63%
Black-13%
Hispanic/Latino-15%

Bureau of Justice statistics. Most recent.

An estimated 17.7 million persons age 16 or older indicated that their most recent contact with the police in 2008 was as a driver pulled over in a traffic stop. These drivers represented 8.4% of the nation’s 209 million drivers.
A greater percentage of male drivers (9.9%) than female drivers (7.0%) were stopped by police during 2008. White (8.4%), black (8.8%), and Hispanic (9.1%) drivers were stopped by police at similar rates in 2008.
Stopped drivers reported speeding as the most common reason for being pulled over in 2008.
Approximately 85% of drivers pulled over by police in 2008 felt they had been stopped for a legitimate reason. In 2008, about 74% of black drivers believed police had a legitimate reason for stopping them compared to 86% of white and 82% of Hispanic drivers.
In 2008 about 5% of traffic stops led to a search of the driver, the vehicle, or both. Police were more likely to search male drivers (7.4%) than female drivers (1.6%).
Black drivers (12.3%) were about three times as likely as white drivers (3.9%) and about two times as likely as Hispanic drivers (5.8%) to be searched during a traffic stop in 2008.

Isn't it strange that the number of stop and the number of searches don't mirror the percentage of population. Look up the, thankfully ended, "Stop and Frisk" policies in NY and see the racial makeup of those they stopped. They don't feel like they are some kind of victims, they are targeted as suspects simply on their race. Start treating whites this way in the proportion to their population, go down to Wall Street and stop and frisk everyone who walks down the street, hit the suburbs with the same policies as the cities and you'll have people whining and griping lined up out the doors of the police stations. As long as it happens to "them" it's ok. Start popping all of the middle and upper class kids with their pot stashes (and other drugs, because they aren't all little angels) and people will start singing a different tune.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 08/15/13 - 05:00 am
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Stop and Frisk and Check Orifices

Thanks, OwensJeff. Now to my complete surprise I'll also partially agree with Bodhisattva for probably the first time. The "Stop and Frisk" policies are an outright attack on the Constitution. Just like I hate the DUI checkpoints, I find these random pat down searches abhorrent outright violations of our rights.

Remember the video of the searches of the women's orifices when the Highway Patrolman thought he smelled marijuana? Is that coming next along with the stop and frisk procedures?

I swear it's getting to be like we are a country of pyramid workers who are not even allowed to look at the pharaoh rulers.

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allhans 08/15/13 - 05:39 am
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".....nation’s current racial

".....nation’s current racial climate...'
Which is being played to the hilt. Never miss an opportunity to put it to the white man.

corgimom
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corgimom 08/15/13 - 06:08 am
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Hey, I'm white. When I lived

Hey, I'm white. When I lived in North Augusta, my son got pulled over so many times by NADPS that they knew him by name. They knew his car.

Because he was a doofus teenage boy doing doofus teenage boy stuff. He got 5 seat belt tickets- slow learning curve, and others beside that.

And yes, he got his car searched. More than once. By NADPS and ACSO.

And no, his rights were not violated, no, he was not subject to police brutality, yes, he deserved every ticket he got, and he probably should've gotten more.

My reaction? "Follow the traffic laws, and you won't get stopped. You're the driver, you're the one responsible, handle it!"

And it had nothing to do with his skin color and everything to do with his dumb teenage behavior.

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Jon Lester 08/15/13 - 06:47 am
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Despite incessant and fascistic attempts to portray every cop as
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heroic, I think we all know there are certain personality types that are more drawn to law enforcement work than others. Some are truly called, sure, but others just want an outlet.

justthefacts
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justthefacts 08/15/13 - 07:09 am
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Bod asked regarding Stop and Frisk

"Isn't it strange that the number of stop and the number of searches don't mirror the percentage of population." No, it's not. Blacks are 23% of the population in New York and yet they commit 80% of all shootings, 70% of all robberies, and 66% of all violent crimes. What was the old saying about why rob banks?

seenitB4
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seenitB4 08/15/13 - 07:27 am
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What was the old saying about why rob banks?

Let me guess, let me...

Maybe because that is where the money is....what did I win jtf?

Young Fred
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Young Fred 08/15/13 - 07:27 am
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justthefacts

Not to mention that Stop and Frisk was taking place in high crime areas. Go figure!

One may not like Stop and Frisk, but to claim it unfairly targets certain races is ludicrous, and lacking in fact.

Of course Bod never let a measly fact or two or ten get in the way of a good rant.

seenitB4
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seenitB4 08/15/13 - 07:29 am
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The truth shall set you free

Finally.....the truth has filtered down to the masses...but did the radio guy get the message?

justthefacts
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justthefacts 08/15/13 - 07:30 am
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seenit

A weekend @riverman's.

deestafford
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deestafford 08/15/13 - 07:32 am
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Bod,

When I talk about current circumstances what I mean it people are responsible for their position because of the choices they have made. If they don't take advantage of the free education in this country, get a job (no matter what that job is and how much "below" them it maybe) before they get married and get married before having children, they will not be like generations of the blacks find themselves here in Augusta.

People are the products of the books they read, the people they associate with, and how they spend their time. If they get a job and show their worth to their bosses and the company they will have a chance for promotions and increased responsibility.

But, when you have generations of moochers who don't take advantage of what I pointed out above and don't pass these ideas along to their children, instead teaching how they are a victim and how to beat the
system by mooching, you stay in that quagmire of poverty and dependency.

It's not skin color. It's culture. The black middle class was larger and strong during segregation than it is today because of two parent families and a working daddy; however, that all ended when LBJ and his Great Society did what slavery and Jim Crow couldn't do--destroy the black family by substituting money for a daddy.

Yes, people are where they are because of the decisions THEY make.

seenitB4
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seenitB4 08/15/13 - 07:38 am
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A weekend @riverman's.

OOH you are funny this am jtf...only if he has martinis--steak & all of the crowd on here ........btw..that would be an interesting group to drink a martini with....if he would GET off some of that money he would invite us over for drinks by his pool...or river.

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Bizkit 08/15/13 - 07:48 am
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he likelihood of perpetrating

he likelihood of perpetrating crime also relates to demography. "Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against other blacks," according to an analysis of crime statistics called The Color of Crime. The vast majority of interracial crime in America is black against white. Also, the group Human Rights Watch has reported that much of the rape in prison is black against white. "Overall, our correspondence and interviews with white, black, and Hispanic inmates convince us that white inmates are disproportionately targeted for abuse," reported Human Rights Watch.
OMG whites are being profiled and discriminated against by blacks. How come you don't hear about this?

RMSHEFF
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RMSHEFF 08/15/13 - 08:11 am
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Bizkit

Good point and were you aware that Hispanics Are Counted As White When Committing Hate Crimes and As Minority When they are Victims. Why do you think the FBI would do this ?

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soapy_725 08/15/13 - 08:33 am
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But AC will ride the Trayvon Wave as long as it makes $$$$$
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But AC will ride the Trayvon Wave as long as it makes $$$$$

soapy_725
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soapy_725 08/15/13 - 08:34 am
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AC will ride "any wave" that makes $$$. A prostitute????
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AC will ride "any wave" that makes $$$. A prostitute????

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chascushman 08/15/13 - 08:41 am
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"Such as being born with the
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"Such as being born with the wrong color skin."
Bod, we have a black president yet many are still playing the victimization card including him. It is really a shame but blacks have been programmed by the liberals, democrats and black leaders. The Great Society, liberals, democrats/Marxists and black leaders have done GREAT HARM to the black community.

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nocnoc 08/15/13 - 09:06 am
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The Long Overdue additional details are welcome,

But I still have a Question?

Give the normal physical anatomy of the human body and the limits it twists before breaking.

The Augusta Chronicle Editorial dated Thursday, Aug 15, 2013 without updates basically says;

The kid is caught after evading lawful commands to halt, is pinned to the ground face down with an officer on his back.

If I understand right a officer ran up and struck the kid with a flashlight below the eye? Given the earlier AC published photos of the kids injury it appeared to be a downward angle shiner, below the eye socket near the nose? Not a side to side blow?

Wouldn't this require to the deputy to run up to the suspect get down on the ground and swing the flashlight horizontal to the ground to accomplish?

If this were the case, wouldn't the other officers surrounding, or on top of the teen at the time make this a chancy or awkward swing at best?

If this is what happen, then hell yeah the guy needs to go.

But I am still having issues with the described way the scene and incident are said to of unfolded.

Maybe a published PDF copy of the Incident report would help?

Bizkit
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Bizkit 08/15/13 - 09:19 am
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Hey I remember back in the

Hey I remember back in the 70's if you were riding down the road with your pony tail flyin' out the window and a car full of thick smoke you would get pulled over and searched too. Gosh I don't know why?
Then ridin' down the road with your pony tail flyin' out da window and you and your best black friend get pulled over. Now are they pulling over the hippie or the black guy or just because they are together and good golly we can't have that. Least I've heard of such tales from friends. wink, wink.

Now I note on my trips to Florida the police often pull over a car full of college kids (headin' to fun in the sun) and search their cars. Seems like easy pickings for alcohol or drugs busts. Crime isn't a race issue but there are differences in ethnicities and incidence of crime, reporting crimes, recidivism, etc.

nocnoc
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nocnoc 08/15/13 - 09:31 am
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Crimes tend to display or follow certin criteria

recognizing that displayed criteria is now called Profiling.

Profiling is a bad thing if you are being profiled.
Profiling is a good thing if you are citizen observing your
surroundings in public.

BTW:
I still would love to get a copy of the kids suddenly UNposted Facebook Video as an insight of his character.

Anybody have a copy?

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GAXXII 08/15/13 - 09:49 am
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THEY who?

"No wonder they continue to feel they are some type of victims because of the circumstances they have put themselves in as a result of the wrong choices they have made throughout their lives."

Unfortunately, the THEY you talk about translates into every Black person that lives. Because THEY make a bad choice all Blacks are stereotyped. I have nothing to do with "THEY" don't know "THEY" and have no control over "THEY." But people on this forum think that all Blacks are responsible for the "THEY."

If I had the power to control "THEY" their would be no "THEY" or "THEM."

I should not be discriminated against in any form or fashion because of "THEY." And if you thinking applies a label of "THEY" instead of individualizing criminals you are racist.

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Darby 08/15/13 - 10:44 am
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Bod - Are you EVER going to stop with all the

meaningless and stilted statistics. They mean nothing and YOU know it!

Stop cherry picking "facts" and join most of the rest of the posters by bringing honest opinion and logical thought to the process...

Or not..... Which is what I suspect you'll continue to do.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 08/15/13 - 10:56 am
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There is a difference between

There is a difference between racism, discrimination, and profiling. We all discriminate from a choice of a religion or no religion to ketchup or catsup. Serial killers are profiled for any hope of catching them-just like terrorist are being profiled too. Is it racist to quantify differences in IQ (asians highest and black lowest), difference in color vision (asians again), health disparities? The differences are real (apparently asians are the superior race) but are they meaningful since there are no races. I personally think not and the comparisons are moot. If you believe in race than that opens a whole bag of worms and by virtue and by definition are a racist. Course I recognize the difference between genders-does that make me a chauvinist and discriminate against women.

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t3bledsoe 08/15/13 - 11:04 am
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Quote from editorial

"Trayvon Martin’s shooter was not a trained and uniformed officer."

THIS IS exactly why George Zimmerman should not have been armed with a gun !!

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t3bledsoe 08/15/13 - 11:18 am
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chascushman @ 9:41

"The Great Society, liberals, democrats/Marxists and black leaders have done GREAT HARM to the black community."

AND what about a high percentage of REGULAR caucasions ? Haven't they done a lot to harm the African American community ?

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Red Headed Step Child 08/15/13 - 12:19 pm
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Sorry, @t3bledsoe - ordinary

Sorry, @t3bledsoe - ordinary citizens have the right to bear arms.

Regardless of what you think about him or the verdict from the case, Zimmerman was well within his rights to carry a weapon. Ever stop and think that maybe if Zimmerman DIDN'T have a gun, he might be the one who died? Just like people have stated that the kid getting hit with a flashlight could have resulted in serious injury / death - do you not think getting your head cracked on the pavement could have resulted in the same? Or would that have been OK?

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validPoint 08/15/13 - 01:09 pm
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Keg of Dynamite

Shred it, slice it, or dice it this situation is the same as a keg of dynamite waiting to explode and do a whole lot of damage. Many thanks for sound wisdom shown by the sheriff. Personally, I believe the ex-officer simply "lost it". But then again, self control was shown because he did not pistol whip or shoot the teen. This makes me whonder how much did he really "loose it", and why did he place his job in jeopardy, or did he think it did not matter, and would not be dealt with. Surely he is more aware of his family responsibility than anyone else.

Even so, since I do not reside in that community, or have any knowledge of how the police has presented itself in the area it would be a tad bit premature for me to even try to speculate why the teen ran, or why some might view the incident as being racially motivated. However, I am persuaded that every person's way is right in their own sight. The truth about individual sight is it tends to be so limited, and far too often misses major points.

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