The GOP's suicide pact

Move to defund Obamacare could actually sway the public in its favor

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Republicans are about to choose between suicide and assisted suicide.

The federal government is running out of money again, and Congress needs to pass legislation to fund the 2014 fiscal year, which starts in October. Thus, Congress and the president will soon be debating whether to raise the limit on the nation’s credit card.

Conservative Republicans see the coming debt limit and federal funding debate as an opportunity to pull the financial rug out from under Obamacare.

Led by Utah Sen. Mike Lee, they say they’re prepared to shut the government down rather than authorize any money to implement the health care reform law.

Pressure mounted this week, when over 50 conservative organizations and luminaries wrote a letter to House Republicans urging them to use the government spending bill to defund Obamacare.

“The ultimate ‘power of the purse’ still resides in the House,” the letter reads, “and the House will soon act to fund the government. In doing so, the House should include language ensuring that no more taxpayer dollars can be used to implement Obamacare.

“This funding prohibition should include all Obamacare funding streams, both discretionary and mandatory, and it should eliminate funding for Obamacare’s new entitlements.

“This will effectively halt implementation and enforcement of the law in its entirety, and will give the President and Senate Democrats a choice: Continue funding the government, or shut down the government on behalf of an unpopular law that they have admitted will not work and cannot be enforced as written.”

We appreciate the spirit of the argument. Obamacare is opposed by a majority of Americans: support for it is in the 30th percentile and opposition to it is in the 50th percentile in most polls.

And that doesn’t begin to explain the growing unpopularity of Obamacare. Perhaps this does: A week after three major labor unions warned of the destruction of the middle class by Obamacare, the National Treasury Employees Union asked its members to write their elected representatives in Congress to oppose their being included in Obamacare health-care exchanges.

The union’s membership might interest you: It includes employees at the IRS, the very agency charged with enforcing the law!

That’s when you know you’re losing the crowd.

But despite all this, we’re not sure Obamacare is sufficiently unpopular that Republicans will look like heroes to much of the public by blocking it – particularly if they have to shut down a good bit of the federal government to get that done.

The last big government shutdown, in the 1990s, was a public relations disaster for congressional Republicans. There’s no reason to think it wouldn’t be this time, either. Consider: The main result of the GOP blockade of Obamacare would be to deny many folks of its benefits, including subsidies that begin Jan. 1, to millions of voting-age Americans.

The former mainstream media would no doubt savage Republicans for doing so, and for shutting down nonessential portions of the government.

The principal effect might be to make Obamacare more popular than it deserves to be, and to ensure Democratic control of the Senate in next year’s midterm elections. It might even endanger Republicans’ hold on the House, too, according to Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., perhaps the party’s leading fiscal hawk.

“I’d be leading the charge if I thought this would work. But it will not work,” Coburn was quoted this week. “The strategy that has been laid out is a good way for Republicans to lose the House. I’m getting phone calls from Oklahoma saying, ‘Support Mike Lee,’ and I’m ramming right back: ‘Support him in destroying the Republican Party?’”

It does appear to be a suicide pact.

The best course, in our view, is for House Republicans to vote to defund Obamacare – so they can once again say “I told you so” – but not to make it their Alamo.

It may be a form of assisted suicide, but Republicans had their chance to win over voters in last year’s elections and failed. All that may remain may be for the electorate to take its bitter medicine – and for conservatives to pick up the pieces later, if there are any.

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t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 08/03/13 - 01:57 pm
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HA @ 10:49

"Huh? You think it's ok to cripple the industry for the HUGE majority of people for such a small number of people? I guess a few more people having a substandard healthcare system is better than a large majority having a good system.....it the eyes of a socialist."

First, I really rub you the wrong way, DON'T I ??!

Second, did you over-sleep or are you using your phone ??

Third, now the important part: I truly believe that you "scare mongers" are really blowing this idea of FORCED health insurance changes WAY, WAY out of line !!

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 08/03/13 - 02:00 pm
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HA @ 10:49

"the eyes of a socialist."

If I am a socialist, does that mean I am a far cry from a "HARD NOSED" Republican ??!!

harley_52
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harley_52 08/03/13 - 02:07 pm
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Principle And Duty...

The ACES said...."The last big government shutdown, in the 1990s, was a public relations disaster for congressional Republicans. There’s no reason to think it wouldn’t be this time, either."

I'm amused at all those who believe Senators and Congressmen should decide how to vote on issues based upon how the other side is likely to react. What has happened to principle? Do we really want our Senators and Congressmen to decide how they'll vote based upon how it may look from a public relations point of view?

I hear VERY few Republicans in Congress claiming to be FOR Obamacare. None of them voted for it originally. Most (if not all) now publicly say they oppose it; that it's a "train wreck" is probably the most common statement and that comment was originated by a democrat Senator who was originally an author. If these people mean what they say, how can ANY of them vote YES to funding for Obamacare?

The U.S. Constitution gives Congress the power, duty, and responsibility to fund only those laws it deems appropriate. It can (and has) withheld funding for Executive Branch activity Congress believes is contrary either to law, or to the best interests of the Country. That is, in fact, how Congress ended the Vietnam war.

How can I claim to be AGAINST Obamacare AND have the responsibility to stop funding for programs I view as detrimental the the best interests of the United States, and still vote to fund it? How can I tell all my constituents that it's a bad law, promise them I don't support it, and then vote YES to funding it?

The American people are overwhelmingly against Obamacare. Republican Senators and Congressmen overwhelmingly claim they are against it as well. How in the world can ANY of them vote YES to funding it? How can the ACES staff suggest they are committing suicide in voting against funding it?

Stand up for your principles. Do what's right, for goodness sake. Don't let your lives (and your votes) be ruled by how something "might look."

Even if the effort to cut off funding fails, we will at least have all the Senators and Congressmen on record as to whether they support funding the "train wreck," or not. At least then we'll know how to cast our votes in 2014 and 2016.

carcraft
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carcraft 08/03/13 - 02:34 pm
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OK,all you Obama care

OK,all you Obama care supporters who wants to explain to me, if this such a wonderful law why did Congress members get exempt from the law? Please explain to me why they complained that thier premiums would rise and thier insurance coverage would change? Gee, if it is good enough for us tax payers it ought to be good enough for those idiots that get paid by our taxes!!!!

myfather15
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myfather15 08/03/13 - 03:00 pm
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This is beginning to get

This is beginning to get creepy, the infatuation one poster on here has for another!! ALWAYS mentioning them specifically!!

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 08/03/13 - 03:09 pm
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You are right
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You are right myfather......section 1(d) comes to mind.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&U...

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 08/03/13 - 03:10 pm
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myfather15 @ 03:00

"This is beginning to get creepy, the infatuation one poster on here has for another!! ALWAYS mentioning them specifically!!"

If someone would read her e-mail more often, then these "jabs" would go to e-mail.

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 08/03/13 - 03:19 pm
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This is a Florida Statute

"d) “Cyberstalk” means to engage in a course of conduct to communicate, or to cause to be communicated, words, images, or language by or through the use of electronic mail or electronic communication, directed at a specific person, causing substantial emotional distress to that person and serving no legitimate purpose."

You have got to be kidding !! You hardly ever check your e-mail so where is the wrong ??

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 08/03/13 - 03:37 pm
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Need I say more?
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Need I say more?

harley_52
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harley_52 08/03/13 - 03:40 pm
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"This is beginning to get creepy....

....the infatuation one poster on here has for another!! ALWAYS mentioning them specifically!!"

Are you talking about Riverman1 and Countyman?

Or, somebody else?

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 08/03/13 - 03:45 pm
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HA @ 3:37

I guess some people have no humor within them.

I would ask one more thing of you today. Read my e-mails to you from today AND really think about them with an open mind.

I think you are prematurely ending what I believe to be a great friend-ship. If this is what you are doing, then it is BOTH of our loss !

rmwhitley
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rmwhitley 08/03/13 - 03:51 pm
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charles "the ultimate negro"
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rangel's democratic party of the left ain't worth killing.

justthefacts
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justthefacts 08/03/13 - 04:04 pm
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And

It gets creepier.

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 08/03/13 - 04:11 pm
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justthefacts @ 4:04

"It gets creepier."

One has to be a fool who will not argue one's point to the max !!

justthefacts
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justthefacts 08/03/13 - 04:25 pm
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Dude

She's just not into you. Have some self respect.

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 08/03/13 - 04:34 pm
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SOOO, the subject at hand

Obamacare: If it forces people to take financial responcibilty of their own health care, I don't see why ANY Republican would be against it.

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 08/03/13 - 04:41 pm
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Arguement

If Obamacare is handled the way it should be, it will be the "PC" way of getting people off of Medicaid AND allowing millions of people to get the much needed health insurance that the estimated 47 million AMERICANS have needed for MUCH TOO LONG.

harley_52
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harley_52 08/03/13 - 05:10 pm
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"One has to be a fool....

....who will not argue one's point to the max !!"
- t3bledsoe

"Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”
- Mark Twain

Here we have two schools of thought on the issue.

I'll go with Mark Twain's view.

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 08/03/13 - 04:50 pm
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Quote from editorial

"The principal effect might be to make Obamacare more popular than it deserves to be, and to ensure Democratic control of the Senate in next year’s midterm elections. It might even endanger Republicans’ hold on the House, too, according to Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., perhaps the party’s leading fiscal hawk."

This is exactly why Republicans can not take a "damned the torpedoes, full speed ahead" tactic. The 30% that are for Obamacare might have more sway to the other 50+% in order to put Republican seats at risk.

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 08/03/13 - 04:54 pm
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Friend-ship is such an ugly, sexest word

I guess friend-ship CAN NOT just mean have enjoyment of debating.

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 08/03/13 - 04:57 pm
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OOOK, ready to get Republican blasted

ready to get blasted about Obamacare, OR have I allready won that debate ??

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 08/03/13 - 05:07 pm
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devil's advocate

The Republicans should view this delima as a "devil's advocate" situation. Maybe the 30% who are far it WILL NOT have enough pull. I am quite sure that the over-whelming number of ultra-conservatives would prefer the vote to go against Obamacare.

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 08/03/13 - 05:30 pm
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Obamacare: pass or fail

People on both sides of the aisle say that TRUE liberals are too "touchy, feelly". I prefer to think of it as UNBELIEVABLY HUMANE !! After today, I can honestly say that even this way of thinking CAN GET YOU in trouble !! But where it is associated with Obamacare, we liberals dwell on the undisputed fact that approximately 47 million people are without the much needed health insurance THAT ALL of us need !! With this group, perhaps liberals feel a necessity to appologize for being liberals, BUT NO ONE should ever appologize for being HUMANE !!

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rmwhitley 08/03/13 - 05:36 pm
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The rangel
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side will ALWAYS be on the dole. The most disasterous 2 year span in American history came under lyndon baines johnson--1964 and 1965.

harley_52
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harley_52 08/03/13 - 05:59 pm
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Haven't Been Around Much...

....in the past several months.

Upon checking in this time, I suppose the biggest surprise is that burninater now looks very much like Humble Angela.

What a country!

carcraft
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carcraft 08/03/13 - 05:59 pm
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We are members of congress

We are members of congress and their staff getting exempted if it is so wonderful ? This is for you T3Bledsoe

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owensjef3 08/03/13 - 06:07 pm
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Very funny today
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Very funny today

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 08/03/13 - 06:14 pm
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harley_52 @ 5:59

AND THANK-YOU for that fine observation !! Guess friend-ship hurt only goes my way today !!

carcraft
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carcraft 08/03/13 - 06:14 pm
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Should read "why" ! Stupid

Should read "why" ! Stupid auto correct! The fun of cell phone posting!

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 08/03/13 - 06:19 pm
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owensjef3 @ 6:07

"Very funny today"

CAREFUL, the land-mines are out in force today !! And for goodness sake, DON'T CALL ANYBODY YOUR BUDDY !! Just saying

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