Here's your honest conversation

Incisive commentary on race draws praise, even more hatred

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Whatever you think of Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly, he at least tried to start an honest conversation on race.

The response to him demonstrates why the country may never have that conversation.

In a particularly hard-hitting commentary July 22, inspired by President Obama’s reaction to the Trayvon Martin verdict, O’Reilly noted some of the problems facing the African-American community – including high rates of crime and skyrocketing out-of-wedlock births.

“Young black men commit homicides at a rate 10 times greater than whites and Hispanics combined,” O’Reilly said. ... “Right now about 73 percent of all black babies are born out of wedlock.”

The latter is not a moral judgment, it’s a practical and economic one: Nearly every societal ill is exacerbated by single parenthood, particularly poverty.

O’Reilly blasted black leaders, the civil rights industry and President Obama for ignoring such pathologies, and the entertainment industry for propagating and glorifying them. And he said the problem is the disintegration of the family.

He’s spot-on right.

And they hate him for it.

Remarkably, liberal CNN personality Don Lemon not only agreed with O’Reilly, but politely chastised him for not going far enough. Lemon gave his own five-point plan for his fellow African-Americans: pull up your pants; stop using the “N” word; respect your environs; finish school; and don’t have children out of wedlock.

But Lemon and a few others have been drowned out by a very loud and uncivil backlash – and not just at O’Reilly. One black MSNBC talking head called Lemon a “turncoat (expletive).”

We won’t even repeat what MSNBC contributor Michael Eric Dyson said about O’Reilly.

There’s your honest conversation about race.

Maybe they lash out at the person because the facts are incontrovertible.

Moreover, O’Reilly is right to ask where the black leaders are when it comes to addressing these problems. Where are the public service announcements about the links between out-of-wedlock births and poverty, crime and other dysfunction? Where are the exhortations from civil rights and political leaders to do the things that are healthy and that work? Where are the calls for individual responsibility and collective action?

“The sad truth is that from the president on down,” O’Reilly said, “our leadership has no clue, no clue at all about how to solve problems within the black community. And many are frightened to even broach the issue.”

After what has happened since O’Reilly’s remarks, can you blame them?

Well, yes. Leaders are supposed to be at least as courageous as talk-show hosts.

Other than exhibit a model family, Mr. Obama has done next to nothing to foster a healthy, honest discussion on these matters. Instead, he fans the flames of division and of paralyzing victimization by comparing himself to a dead teen. And he invites some of the purveyors of unhealthy culture for parties at the White House.

It’s not enough to bemoan verdicts and attack O’Reilly and the people brave enough to agree with him in public. Either show him where he’s wrong or do something to change the circumstances that make him right.

Wouldn’t it be great if the country had political, racial and moral leadership of that caliber?

Can you believe how far we are from it?

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shrimp for breakfast
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shrimp for breakfast 07/31/13 - 02:01 am
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Very true

I have no idea why we can't have honest conversations about the elephant in the room!
It's like if we don't acknowledge them then we can deny the problems actually exist. No one wants to bring up the subject that the black race was held back by the white race,that there is a huge difference between out of wedlock white babies versus black babies.
Armed black men killing each other every day and for what? The nature of rap music glorifying crime.
Prison mentality being exhibited by kids who haven't been to jail...YET. It's almost a badge of honor to do time.
Drugs on every street corner in the poor neighborhoods. People spending their hard earned money buying into the lie of winning the lottery. Rampant alcohol abuse by people trying to escape the pain of poverty even for a brief minute.
Of course I could go on and on but I'll probably be chastised for telling the truth.

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Jon Lester 07/31/13 - 02:57 am
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Few of us would know what any MSNBC personality has to say

about anything, if we weren't told by other media. The channel programmers apparently think they need to staff people who are every bit as dumb as certain Fox News regulars, in order to compete. NBC Universal shareholders could not care less, because their profits are made by CNBC and the NBC broadcast network, and more so from the Universal part of the conglomerate.

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carcraft 07/31/13 - 05:52 am
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Jon Lester- No MSNBC doesn't

Jon Lester- No MSNBC doesn't even come close to competing with Fox News. At least on Fox you will find out about Fast and Furious, the IRS scandal , and Benghazi. All you get are the worst of the liberal talking points on MSNBC!

shrimp for breakfast
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shrimp for breakfast 07/31/13 - 05:59 am
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You know

I have never even watched MSNBC once. I wouldn't even know what channel it is.
I prefer ESPN for the only news that counts. The SCORES!

Bizkit
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Bizkit 07/31/13 - 07:22 am
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The point is correct that

The point is correct that MSNBC nor Dems want to discuss the issue-if you do then you will be accused of being racist or an Uncle Tom. So much for free speech. I haven't seen a single progressive commentator have a logical discussion just vile inflammatory rhetoric to stir trouble and gain sympathies for the coming elections. It ain't about racism because that has been dealt with except for hispanics and Asians. It is about social justice which wait you'll see what I mean.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 07/31/13 - 07:38 am
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You have to watch MSNBC, CNN,

You have to watch MSNBC, CNN, FOX, and then NPR to sift through all the spin to try to find what is relevant and just news. Sometimes I lament for the ole days of just 12 hours of TV and an antenna. All the commentators aren't experts on anything and why anyone would value their opinions over any other is beyond me.

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owensjef3 07/31/13 - 07:39 am
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How come I have seen many
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How come I have seen many discussion panels on all of those topics for 25 geared. Tavis Smiley does one every year.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 07/31/13 - 08:15 am
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Read closer-I said

Read closer-I said "progressive commentator". Smiley is a liberal (like me) who has been critical of Obama and progressive policies.
So for 25 years just discussing? Doesn't sound productive. Reminds me of an old job that every issue had to have a committee to address which surely sealed nothing getting done ir a decision would be made and the higher ups just ignored it and did as they pleased.
And Owensjef you can't even have an honest discussion here without all the ad hominem of being a racist.
Besides since the civil rights movement I've never heard of a Historic White, Hispanic, or Asian College-only Historic Black Colleges.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 07/31/13 - 08:29 am
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African immigrants in the

African immigrants in the United States are generally more educated and earn higher salaries than immigrants from elsewhere. The African immigrants' success, however, depends on what country they come from, according to a Bowling Green State University study.

Nearly six years ago, Dr. Kefa M. Otiso, an associate professor of geography originally from Kenya, became interested in how the nearly 1.5 million other African immigrants are “faring in the U.S., and how they are being incorporated into American society.”

His study shows that, overall, African immigrants perform better than the rest of the U.S. population in education and employment.

“Many African immigrants are successful because of their good work ethic, focus and a drive to succeed that is honed by the limited socioeconomic opportunities of their native African countries,” Otiso said.

So this is from an African who has immigrated to America. I'd like to hear what native born African-americans have to say about this study. U got some splainin' to do.

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deestafford 07/31/13 - 09:01 am
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The black "establishment"--which consists of the so called

"leaders", commentators, entertainers, and media hosts are like magicians in that they divert the attention away from what's really going on toward something they want you to look at. You see, if they acknowledge the real problems that would mean people would want to begin attacking the problems and then someone involved in the problem (the black community) would be held accountable for solutions. And, as we all know, the black establishment doesn't want to be held accountable for anything.

One of the black women on The View (I saw a clip of this on O'Reilly last night. You would have to tie me down and put toothpicks propping open my eyes to get me to watch that junk.) said O'Reilly had no right and no credibility talking about the black community's problems because he's white and never lived as a black man. With that type of "logic" how can she as a black woman discuss anything that ain't about black folks?

There is no way we are going to "have a conversation ab out race" when the black establishment continues to have its head totally full of this mush that "The Man" and "The System" are the causes of the black man's plight. Taking individual responsibility is an alien concept to them.

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avidreader 07/31/13 - 09:13 am
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Let's Compare Crime!

1000 black boys each commit a crime and bag $1,000 each.
1 white hedge fund manager for Steven Cohen (SAC) bags $100,000,000.

Baggie jeans or fine-tailored suit? What's the difference? Violence vs. Education -- but they're all still thieves.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 07/31/13 - 09:25 am
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Dee a very good point. It's

Dee a very good point. It's like saying you can't read the Bible if you aren't a Christian or read a book on evolution because you are a Christian. I guess that lady believes that Obama can't speak about blacks because he is part white and can't speak about whites because he is part black. Wicked.

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Riverman1 07/31/13 - 09:36 am
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MSNBC is Hilarious

I find MSNBC hilarious and have to admit I watch the shows that come on before O'Reilly, Hannity and Van Susteren. Sharpton rants loudly, but Matthews can be particularly entertaining when things go wrong. He once got fixated on Michelle Bachmann's eyes for weeks. He said she was hypnotized and other crazy stuff. He had her on camera from a rally she was attending and her supporters held up signs behind her reminding Matthews of his "thrill up the leg" statement. Matthews tried to maintain his demeanor, but he couldn't.

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seenitB4 07/31/13 - 09:56 am
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An honest talk about race

Wait---hold on a minute let me stop laughing here...hahhahhoohahahoo

What was it Jack Nicolson said..."You can't handle the truth" well you really can't.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 07/31/13 - 09:59 am
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Avid, You don't believe there

Avid, You don't believe there are black hedge fund managers? I don't know maybe it's where I live but all the black folks I know are well educated and successful. But what makes me angry is that the big thieves in nice suits always seem to lawyer up and walk and all the petty crimes of any ethnicity are hammered. The big differences I see aren't by ethnicity but by socioeconomic group of all ethnicities.

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rmwhitley 07/31/13 - 10:12 am
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The vast majority
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of blacks haven't been honest since the great society's passing of the civil rights act of 1964, the voting rights act of 1965, the later passage of affirmative action, congressional black caucus, sclc, sharpton, jacksons, obama , holder and crew came into view. Blacks today exhibit, in my humble opinion, the traits that lead them to call themselves Africans, (uneducated, misogynistic ). Many blacks from other countries are embarassed when confused with the American version of black.

shrimp for breakfast
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shrimp for breakfast 07/31/13 - 10:18 am
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Hey Avid reader

I thought your last post was great!

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Young Fred 07/31/13 - 11:21 am
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Avid reader - what's the

Avid reader - what's the difference you ask? Other than the monetary amount I would think it's pretty obvious. Do I really have to spell it out?

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Riverman1 07/31/13 - 11:33 am
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Does anyone have an example

Does anyone have an example of white collar crime personally affecting him/her? Maybe it affects all of us with increased taxes and prices? That's all I can think of that affects me personally.

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itsanotherday1 07/31/13 - 12:22 pm
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Poor analogy Avid. When white

Poor analogy Avid. When white collar criminals start carjacking, home invading, and killing people, we can start a conversation about the two.

I am certainly not giving white collar criminals a pass, they need to go to jail too; but you have to admit the two types of thieves are not equivalent.

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itsanotherday1 07/31/13 - 12:50 pm
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I said a few weeks ago that

I said a few weeks ago that if there was anything positive about the Sanford, Fl saga, it is that there has been more conversation about criminal culture and its roots than I've seen ever.

It is past time for community leaders to embrace the suggestions of Mr. Lemon, Mr. O'Reilly et al ehove had the courage to say what needs saying.

What I don't understand is the gnashing of teeth at what is so obvious. Why is one racist to suggest ways for young people to avoid a life of poverty and crime? Isn't it exactly the opposite; people are wanting better for these kids rather them languishing in prison for criminal activity? Wouldn't they and the whole country be better off if they were educated, articulate, and gainfully employed? This isn't just black children, but they are the majority at risk.

Again, why is it racial to want better for them, and why do the Sharptons and Dysons get rabid when ways for them to improve are suggested?

Can any one of you out there argue in favor of:

1. Teen pregnancy, and say it isn't a bad thing, both for the mother and child?
2. Having multiple children you have no means of feeding?
3. Eschewing education as a "white" thing?
4. Dressing and carrying yourself in manner that all but guarantees no one wants to employ you?
5. Consciously speaking a dialect that you know is not acceptable in mainstream America, and automatically disqualifies you from any kind of customer facing position above order taker? I guarantee you that as a hiring manager, your resume went to the trash can if you could not enunciate the word ask during the interview; and you didn't make the interview to begin with if your cover letter was poorly constructed, which eliminated anyone who could not write English in at least a semi-coherent fashion. That isn't accent, it is illiteracy.

The conversation needs to continue until those most affected "GET IT" and realize they will always be at the bottom of the barrel until they are willing to conform to norms, because the the rest of the world is NOT going to conform to THEM.

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specsta 07/31/13 - 04:06 pm
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I Gotta Shake My Head Again, ACES

It's no surprise that ACES would be the mouthpiece for an individual like Bill O'Reilly - a commentator known for his racist rants.

Knowledge removes ignorance, and knowledge is gained by seeking knowledge. It doesn't take a genius to look at readily available US Census Bureau data and understand that all women, not just black women, are getting married less and less and that the population of single women is growing.

Census data tells us that black women having children out-of-wedlock is at its lowest point in history.

But the conservative pundits, who love to blame all of the ills of society on the unmarried black female or the young black male, do not yield the intelligence to analyze such data. If these conservative talking heads did so, they would be forced to consider the growing number of unmarried white females who use sperm donors, adoption or use surrogate mothers in order to have a child.

Also, according to health statistics from the Pew Research Center, "The share of births to unmarried mothers had increased most among white and traditionally Catholic Hispanic women."

But Bill O'Reilly doesn't talk about that, does he?

ACES, do you guys EVER research your opinions before making them public???

http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/06/understanding-out-of-we...

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Bizkit 07/31/13 - 04:15 pm
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Spec, I made the same point

Spec, I made the same point of the increase in whites too. But the point is the same for all ethnicities as poverty, violence, and a lack of education is occurring in all ethnicities with the loss of family.

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Austin Rhodes 07/31/13 - 04:31 pm
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Money can be replaced...

...as can stolen cars, TV's, and jewelry.

BUT...how do you replace the HUMANS that are killed by the inner city criminals? THOUSANDS of humans DEAD at the hands of thugs.

How can you even mention the two different types of crime in the same conversation?

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chascushman 07/31/13 - 04:36 pm
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"It's no surprise that ACES
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"It's no surprise that ACES would be the mouthpiece for an individual like Bill O'Reilly - a commentator known for his racist rants."
spectra, would you mind posting those 'racist rants' of O'Reilly. I have seen MANY by ole Al Sharpton but I missed those with ole Bill. Even Yuan Williams said he never seen O'Reilly as a racist but then I guess ole Yuan is just an Old Tom.

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chascushman 07/31/13 - 04:42 pm
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Austin, well said.
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"How can you even mention the two different types of crime in the same conversation?"
Austin, well said. It amazes me how liberals think.

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Bizkit 07/31/13 - 04:42 pm
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I haven't heard O"Reilly make

I haven't heard O"Reilly make racist comments either but he is so busy being a condescending arrogant arse I might miss it. I am shocked what Sharpton has said and still has a job-seems racist in the context of all the others who have lost theirs.

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deestafford 07/31/13 - 05:02 pm
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Spec, would you please do some research before you accept

statistics from someone who can't even read and understand statistics.

Just for your information (and I'm typing this slowly so it will be easier for you to read): Today's black out of wedlock birth rate, aka illegitimacy rate, is 75% (90% in some cities). In the 1940s it was about 14%.

Spec, 75% is a bigger number than 14%; therefore, today's out of wedlock birth rate by black women is not at a historically low, but at an all time high.

Look for Walter Williams' upcoming column in the ACE in the next couple of days on this subject. I will be looking as to how you are going to contort your brain in order to spin what you'll read.

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chascushman 07/31/13 - 06:03 pm
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" I haven't heard O"Reilly
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" I haven't heard O"Reilly make racist comments either but he is so busy being a condescending arrogant arse I might miss it."
Bizkit, I agree with your 'condescending arrogant arse" comment but that does not make him a racist.

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nocnoc 07/31/13 - 07:45 pm
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Official GA. Inmate Facts

These are cold hard facts gathered from every county in GA.
Georgia has the fourth largest prison population in the nation

All statistics are based on June 2013 Inmate Statistical Profile

http://www.dcor.state.ga.us/Research/Fact_Sheets/Info_Sheets_Offender_Fa...

Broken down by, sex, age, type offense, mental health issues, and race.

These are the GA. Official nose count facts.
White Male 16,581 Female 2,041 TOTAL 18,622
Black Male 32,407 Female 1,615 TOTAL 34,022
Hispanic Male 2,282 Female 71 TOTAL 2,353
Asian Male 154 Female 11 TOTAL 165

This NOT counting those on the street on Probation.

WHAT IT COSTS
http://www.dcor.state.ga.us/pdf/CorrectionsCosts.pdf

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