Divisive demagoguery

Zimmerman aftermath is opportunity for true change, not more animosity

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Opponents of George Zimmerman are creating the very racial animus they claim he harbored.

Only exponentially so.

Race hustler Al Sharpton, the most divisive race baiter in modern American history, has called for protests in 100 cities today to press the U.S. Department of Justice to file civil rights charges against Zimmerman in the death of Trayvon Martin.

Others are sadly joining the mob. Singer Stevie Wonder is boycotting Florida and other states with “stand your ground” statutes that recognize a person’s right of self-defense. There are either 21 or 30 of them, depending on whom you believe.

Really? You’re against self-defense?

Whatever.

Meanwhile, Attorney General Eric Holder is setting the worst example possible: the country’s top law enforcement officer, attacking the God-given right of self-defense.

First, about the protests and the angst behind them:

There is not one scintilla of evidence George Zimmerman was racist.

This, from a CNN report last year:

“George Zimmerman (once) gave a scathing review of the Sanford Police Department and accused its chief of engaging in a cover-up during a public meeting in January 2011.

“Zimmerman’s anger stemmed from the case of Sherman Ware, a black homeless man who was beaten by the son of a white police lieutenant.”

And from London’s Economist: “His supporters pointed out during the trial that he took a black date to his high-school prom and befriended a black neighbor.”

Nor is there an iota of evidence Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin because of his race. Fact is, much of the evidence indicates Martin was beating Zimmerman severely before being shot.

The protests, and other reckless statements being made in the media, are only further dividing the nation along racial lines. What we are witnessing is the worst sort of demagoguery we’ve seen in many years.

Moreover, the protests seem to feed off the mistaken belief that what happened between Zimmerman and Martin is some kind of pattern (and, if Stevie Wonder is to be believed, it’s the fault of the sovereign state of Florida).

The truth is, none of us knows for certain what happened between those two – but the jurors weren’t convinced Zimmerman committed a crime. How do the rest of us know better than they?

Yet people are taking to the streets with absolute moral certainty that he should still be strung up by the feds?

At the very least, please recognize complete irrationality when you see it. Jesse Jackson, in his own words, recently depicted “Florida as a kind of apartheid state.” That’s just insane, to indict an entire state because of one case in which 1) there was no evidence of racial intent and 2) the evidence pretty much favored the defendant and his recitation of events.

Rather than chant for a pound of flesh like an angry lynch mob, why not work for unity and change?

As for trying to strip us of our rights to self-defense, we’ll just note that such a right is not manufactured and packaged by any government; it’s a God-given, natural right.

A government cannot take away what is not its own to give.

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deestafford
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deestafford 07/20/13 - 12:50 am
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Supposedly obama's election was to bring the races closer

together. I submit it has widened the gulf and the blacks are the ones stoking the flames. obama and holder are as much race hustlers as are sharpton and jackson...the difference being they are smooth and counch it in pretty words and phrasing.

The other day I heard a local black radio talk show host telling the audience that he tells his kids every time they go out of the house they have a target on their back and it was put there by the white man. Now, what kind of attitude is that kid going to have toward white people. I say he will hate the whites even if he never meets one.

specsta
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specsta 07/20/13 - 01:37 am
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Ignorance

ACES wrote - "The protests, and other reckless statements being made in the media, are only further dividing the nation along racial lines."

Is that so? Hardly.

The only thing that is dividing racial lines is... racism. Nothing else.

If America had an equal justice system, zero racial profiling, equal law enforcement for all citizens, equal voting access, equal schools and education, equal quality neighborhoods, equal bank lending practices, equal hiring practices, equal treatment in every aspect as citizens - THEN you could make such a limp claim as to blame the media and protests for racial division.

But that's not the case here, is it?

Minorities get longer prison sentences, are stopped more often by the police, endure crumbling schools and inefficient education, are seen as suspicious, suffer in bad neighborhoods, receive inadequate health care, deal with suppression of voting rights, endure negative stereotypes on TV and in movies, and make less on the job and are the last to be promoted on their jobs. Minorities must work twice as hard to get the same recognition as their white counterparts.

And you have the audacity to wonder why the Martin/Zimmerman verdict struck a nerve in the community of Americans of all races who are sick and tired of this.

ACES, how about taking the silver spoon out of your mouths and come out of the country club, and try to understand the reality of life in this country for millions of Americans. You guys are so far removed from common sense it is quite sad.

soldout
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soldout 07/20/13 - 01:51 am
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lack of love

It isn't a race problem it is a love problem. If blacks loved and cared for each other as much as other minorities do for their brothers there would not be a problem.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 07/20/13 - 02:56 am
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Be Angry In The Right Situation, Not This

I see those angered by the verdict acquitting Zimmerman telling us how difficult black people have it in society. Obama told us how he was followed around in stores and people were wary of him when he was young. All that may be true, but it doesn’t address the specifics of the self-defense case and the question of whether Zimmerman is a racist.

I was watching MSNBC and they had 3 liberals vs. 1 conservative debating the verdict. Of course the 3 ranted about society in general. The lone conservative tried to bring the facts of the case into the discussion, but the moderator (the guy who subs for Chris Matthews) said he didn’t want to talk about the specifics of the case. THAT’S the problem.

There’s nothing here, but liberals, including the U.S. Attorney Eric Holder, simply want to rant even though this case is as far removed from racial discrimination as Trayvon Martin was from being an innocent child.

Truth Matters
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Truth Matters 07/20/13 - 04:00 am
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Zimmerman was right to be

Zimmerman was right to be concerned for his neighborhood and the safety of his neighbors. He was not right in assuming that because burglaries were committed by some blacks meant that the next black person he saw was ready to do the same. I don't have the right to assume that since most mass murders and child molestations are committed disproportionately by white men that every white man I see is a shooter or molester. That is the crux of this issue. The trial is over, the verdict has been delivered. That does not mean that the public can not be informed by that verdict and seek was to correct a law that even one juror has said needs fixing.

If we work along side people of honesty, dignity and strong values, why can't we ascribe those same positive characteristics to others of their same race just as willingly as we ascribe negative traits? This is true in how blacks see whites___every white person is not a racist and it hurtful to imply or say that they are. It is also true in how whites see blacks ___every black person is not a criminal and it is hurtful to imply or say that they are.

I suggested earlier this week that a good place to start a dialogue is with the people at your work, church, community volunteer group, and yes, your neighborhood watch meeting. Reach out to one person, not with the goal of convincing him or her that your position is the only correct position but simply to listen to each other.

I love the quote by Stephen Covey: Seek first to understand then to be understood--7 Habits of Highly Effective People

Truth Matters
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Truth Matters 07/20/13 - 04:21 am
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Trayvon was not an innocent

Trayvon was not an innocent child:

And neither was GZ the perfect man. There were behaviors in his background that were less than flattering. There are many productive citizens today who make great contributions to society because they LIVED to grow up. One person who comes to mind is the man who runs Celebrate Recovery based in Rick Warren's Saddleback Church. Another is TV Judge Mathis--he is tough on people in his court so they can learn and grow.

I don't think the trial was about who was the perfect human being in his personal life but whether GZ was within his rights to us deadly force.

This is a case in point of how mean-spirited this dialogue has become. If one wants to defend GZ, just say the law was on his side. You don't have to trash a dead kid in doing so. It reminds me of what used to happen all to often during rape cases--the defense would put the victim/woman on trial.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 07/20/13 - 04:52 am
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Again, Avoiding the Facts

TruthM, the problem is at the time of the incident, Trayvon was at a period in his life where he was less than an innocent child. As you say, he may have turned into a fine person later in life and it's sad he didn't live.

I'm curious as to what law you would want changed? Self-defense? It appears you are not addressing the facts of the case as most who are angered by the incident.

What if Zimmerman was everything you say? He hated blacks and was looking for excuses to have confrontations. He followed Martin, said something to him or whatever. STILL, Martin would not have the right to physically attack him the way he did. Z was beat up pretty good and it would have been worse if he hadn't fired. It's was clear to the witnesses, jurors and to most objective people that Martin was the physical attacker. That's what many don't want to discuss. You can't use your fists on people you don't like and not expect them to protect themselves.

carcraft
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carcraft 07/20/13 - 05:12 am
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This is another example of don't let a crises go to waste

This is another example of don't let a crises go to waste! This, unfortunately is not about Zimmerman or race. Facts are that Blacks in Florida have used stand your ground and used it more successfully than whites and more often! Stand your ground was never used in the Zimmerman trial. So why so much discussion about stand your ground ?Why does Obama and the media want to get rid of a law that blacks use to protect themselves? I really believe this is just an effort to further erode personal responsibility in the Black community, and attempt to deny people the right to self defense..

carcraft
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carcraft 07/20/13 - 05:18 am
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Pandering 101

Obama's speech was just another attempt to extricate his foot from his mouth. Hawaii is very racially diverse. There was little racial Tension on the Islands when Obama was growing up. Obama's father did not grow up in a racially tense society, he was from privilege in Africa. Obama was a child of privilege that went to a very expensive prep school.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 07/20/13 - 05:22 am
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If Z Pulled His Gun Before Attack

TruthM, I try to be objective and see both sides. Here is how the verdict could have gone the other way. If Z got out of the car and pulled his gun and pointed it at Martin, then Martin could have attacked physically. He would have been utilizing self-defense. If Z had shot M in such a confrontation he would have been found guilty since he would have been the one to have initiated the attack by pointing the gun. I would have fully supported that verdict if it happened that way.

The problem is there's absolutely no evidence to support that scenario. The evidence and witnesses all support Z's version. Common sense also says Martin would not have run at Z and started punching him if a weapon were drawn. It also tells me Z would have fired before Martin got to him.

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myfather15 07/20/13 - 05:33 am
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Specsta

Wow, that's really good!! Which website did you copy and paste those talking points from? I might need to use the site one day!!

Oooh, by the way; stop living in the 1950's!!!! Come, join us in the 21st century!! Stop living in the past and worrying about how people who are now DEAD, treated black people!!

carcraft
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carcraft 07/20/13 - 05:40 am
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Riverman, That is the way I

Riverman, That is the way I see it. If Zimmerman were really after Martin and "stalking" Zimmerman's gun would have been out. Now the other thing is that if I have a gun on some one and he has a knife and is about 15 feet away, the individual with the knife can close that ground before I can shoot. If that had been the case then rather than attacking Zimmerman's head Martin should have been trying to gain control of the Gun. All evidence, as you said, points to the fact that Martin wasn't aware Zimmerman had a gun. When told that the incident was recorded Zimmerman said "Thank God". Why would a guilty man react that way? The cops read this right from the start and the police Chief that was fired because he would not do the politically correct thing is owed an apology!

myfather15
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myfather15 07/20/13 - 05:46 am
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Truth usually doesn't matter: Couple problems with your comment

You wrote "He was not right in assuming that because burglaries were committed by some blacks meant that the next black person he saw was ready to do the same."

Well, I did pay attention to the trial and I did hear about the burglaries but I did NOT hear WHO was committing the burglaries. I never heard either side say the burglaries were committed by a certain race of people. Are YOU assuming they were committed by black people?

Then you wrote this: "That does not mean that the public can not be informed by that verdict and seek was to correct a law that even one juror has said needs fixing."

Which law would that be?? Obviously your NOT talking about "Stand your ground" laws, which were NOT part of the trial from either side!! The defense attorney's stated from the start this was NOT a "Stand your ground " case and never brought it up during trial.

So which law are you talking about and this "juror" said needed to be changed? Self defense, in general? Wow!!! That's a scary thought!!!

myfather15
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myfather15 07/20/13 - 05:49 am
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What the heck does Stevie

What the heck does Stevie Wonder know? Does he have facts the prosecuting attorney's and FBI weren't allowed to have??? Did he see the incident happen? If so, why didn't he come forward to be an eye witness?? He should have told the police and prosecution everything he seen that night!!

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soapy_725 07/20/13 - 06:55 am
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Gun control. Removal of all self defence measures. More slaves
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Gun control. Removal of all self defence measures. More slaves

soapy_725
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soapy_725 07/20/13 - 06:58 am
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Obama need more slaves for his Plantation. He has 90% blacks
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Obama need more slaves for his Plantation. He has 90% blacks

peace4784
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peace4784 07/20/13 - 07:03 am
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Zimmerman got away with
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Zimmerman got away with muder. Black man hating, gun lovers are rejoicing. Trayvon's father should have done what a father who sincerely love his would have done. Like the bible says eye for eye, tooth for tooth, limb for limb. According to God's word that is justice.

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scoopdedoop64 07/20/13 - 07:11 am
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Then Leave

I say if you can find a better country to live in than America then leave. So much has been given that it has produced a spoiled race. And if you think that you can find any place that never racially profiles anyone then leave and move there. If not, then quit whinning and take responsibility for your own actions.

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seenitB4 07/20/13 - 07:47 am
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Thanks scoop!!!!

Boy are you right about this..

Then Leave

I say if you can find a better country to live in than America then leave. So much has been given that it has produced a spoiled race

seenitB4
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seenitB4 07/20/13 - 08:00 am
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justthefacts
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justthefacts 07/20/13 - 08:02 am
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Stevie

"Did he see the incident happen?" Myfather.

Haha, that's funny. "SEE"..

Rhetor
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Rhetor 07/20/13 - 08:36 am
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the real irnoy

The real irony here is that for years the conservatives have complained that the law favors the rights of the accused over the rights of the victims. Now, suddenly, they rejoice that Florida's twisted laws make it legal to chase an unarmed man, shoot him down, claim self-defense, and get away scot-free. I'll agree that the defense established reasonable doubt. All the same, things look different from the other side, do they not?

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chascushman 07/20/13 - 08:38 am
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" Meanwhile, Attorney General
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" Meanwhile, Attorney General Eric Holder is setting the worst example possible: the country’s top law enforcement officer, attacking the God-given right of self-defense."
It is obvious that Holder is racist just like the lying racist, America hating Marxist/communist in the WH. Obama has done more to advance racism among blacks than any other person in history.

chascushman
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chascushman 07/20/13 - 08:41 am
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" Now, suddenly, they rejoice
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" Now, suddenly, they rejoice that Florida's twisted laws make it legal to chase an unarmed man, shoot him down, claim self-defense, and get away scot-free."
Rhetor, repeating the lies spread by liberal media does not make it true.

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chascushman 07/20/13 - 08:48 am
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"ACES, how about taking the
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"ACES, how about taking the silver spoon out of your mouths and come out of the country club, and try to understand the reality of life in this country for millions of Americans."
specsta, you are right. Everyone should take a good look at what the Great Society, liberals, democrats and many black leaders have created.

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t3bledsoe 07/20/13 - 08:54 am
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Quote from editorial

"Race hustler Al Sharpton, the most divisive race baiter in modern American history, has called for protests in 100 cities today to press the U.S. Department of Justice to file civil rights charges against Zimmerman in the death of Trayvon Martin."

Talking about racist. Isn't this statement a PRIME EXAMPLE of racisum ??!! And what happened to freedom of speech ?? Shouldn't people be allowed to demonstrate, especially about this ASININE, trumped up verdict ??!!

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InChristLove 07/20/13 - 08:55 am
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Truth Matters stated "He was

Truth Matters stated "He was not right in assuming that because burglaries were committed by some blacks meant that the next black person he saw was ready to do the same"

And you are correct Truth Matters. Zimmerman didn't assume anything other than there was someone loitering around the backs of the residences looking around in the rain. He looked suspicious. He didn't know the race of Trayvon at the time he called the dispatcher and was giving information about the subject......so you assumption "the next black person he saw was ready to do the same" is your own and not Zimmerman's.

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 07/20/13 - 08:58 am
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Quote from editorial

"Fact is, much of the evidence indicates Martin was beating Zimmerman severely before being shot."

This is very true, BUT Martin may very well have been treatened first !! WE WILL NEVER KNOW !! PERHAPS "policeman want-a-be" old Zimmerman should submit to a lie detector test !!

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deestafford 07/20/13 - 08:58 am
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"Treyvon could have been me 35 years ago."

so says obama at his impromptu presser yesterday.

Is he talking about that when he was Martin's age he was smoking marijuana and snorting coke as he "wrote" in his book?

Yesterday obama just stoke the flames of division of the races.

Too bad he has never come out and said what he was doing during Ben Ghazi and what went wrong there because of his administration's failure to aid Americans under attack.

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 07/20/13 - 09:03 am
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Quote from editorial

"The protests, and other reckless statements being made in the media, are only further dividing the nation along racial lines. What we are witnessing is the worst sort of demagoguery we’ve seen in many years."

HOW ABOUT the trumped up "racial lines" verdict which is angering people !! 5 white women and 1 non-black woman juriours WAS REALLY, REALLY GOING TO BE ABSOLUTELY FAIR ??!!

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