Divisive demagoguery

Zimmerman aftermath is opportunity for true change, not more animosity

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Opponents of George Zimmerman are creating the very racial animus they claim he harbored.

Only exponentially so.

Race hustler Al Sharpton, the most divisive race baiter in modern American history, has called for protests in 100 cities today to press the U.S. Department of Justice to file civil rights charges against Zimmerman in the death of Trayvon Martin.

Others are sadly joining the mob. Singer Stevie Wonder is boycotting Florida and other states with “stand your ground” statutes that recognize a person’s right of self-defense. There are either 21 or 30 of them, depending on whom you believe.

Really? You’re against self-defense?

Whatever.

Meanwhile, Attorney General Eric Holder is setting the worst example possible: the country’s top law enforcement officer, attacking the God-given right of self-defense.

First, about the protests and the angst behind them:

There is not one scintilla of evidence George Zimmerman was racist.

This, from a CNN report last year:

“George Zimmerman (once) gave a scathing review of the Sanford Police Department and accused its chief of engaging in a cover-up during a public meeting in January 2011.

“Zimmerman’s anger stemmed from the case of Sherman Ware, a black homeless man who was beaten by the son of a white police lieutenant.”

And from London’s Economist: “His supporters pointed out during the trial that he took a black date to his high-school prom and befriended a black neighbor.”

Nor is there an iota of evidence Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin because of his race. Fact is, much of the evidence indicates Martin was beating Zimmerman severely before being shot.

The protests, and other reckless statements being made in the media, are only further dividing the nation along racial lines. What we are witnessing is the worst sort of demagoguery we’ve seen in many years.

Moreover, the protests seem to feed off the mistaken belief that what happened between Zimmerman and Martin is some kind of pattern (and, if Stevie Wonder is to be believed, it’s the fault of the sovereign state of Florida).

The truth is, none of us knows for certain what happened between those two – but the jurors weren’t convinced Zimmerman committed a crime. How do the rest of us know better than they?

Yet people are taking to the streets with absolute moral certainty that he should still be strung up by the feds?

At the very least, please recognize complete irrationality when you see it. Jesse Jackson, in his own words, recently depicted “Florida as a kind of apartheid state.” That’s just insane, to indict an entire state because of one case in which 1) there was no evidence of racial intent and 2) the evidence pretty much favored the defendant and his recitation of events.

Rather than chant for a pound of flesh like an angry lynch mob, why not work for unity and change?

As for trying to strip us of our rights to self-defense, we’ll just note that such a right is not manufactured and packaged by any government; it’s a God-given, natural right.

A government cannot take away what is not its own to give.

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mrenee2003
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mrenee2003 07/21/13 - 12:17 pm
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So everybody can stand their ground but Trayvon, right?

The law in Florida states that you do not have to retreat but that you can stand your ground. Trayvon was well within his rights to confront GZ but there are a lot of people on this forum who do not think TM had the right to defend himself against a stranger following him. Oh no, TM should of ran home with his tea and skittles to a house only occupied by his 12 year old brother. No one knows what really happened that night but GZ. GZ - a person with a history of violence (against a woman and a police officer), a known liar, sexual deviant, MMI fighter, a person with a story with a lot of inconsistencies (e.g., TM jumped up behind some bushes -- did anyone look at the crime scene? What bushes?!!), and a person who called the police department over 40 times, one of which was to report a suspicious Black male between the age of 7 and 9. Give me a break; his own cousin said he was a racist.

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 07/21/13 - 12:20 pm
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chascushman @ 11:59

"It make you wonder why Martin went back to confront Zimmerman. I guess he really resented that 'white cracker' following him."

SOOO, NOW both GZ and TM were racists ??!

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 07/21/13 - 12:38 pm
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Today's editorial

IS ANY BODY going over to today's editorial ?? M. Ryan is even giving out "AT-A-BOYS" which should be incintives !

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 07/21/13 - 12:29 pm
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mrenee2003 @ 12:17

"The law in Florida states that you do not have to retreat but that you can stand your ground. Trayvon was well within his rights to confront GZ but there are a lot of people on this forum who do not think TM had the right to defend himself against a stranger following him."

THIS AND GZ getting out of his car got TM killed !! GZ was wroung to be carrying a gun, was wroung to "STALK", and the asinine prejudised jury members are why GZ is a free man !! WHERE IS THIS FAIR ??!!!!

myfather15
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myfather15 07/21/13 - 12:41 pm
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"No guns on neighborhood

"No guns on neighborhood watch and no contact, just eyes and ears. Then he got out car with one I. The chamber"

I'm not saying GZ was a great guy; but most on neighborhood watches are trying to HELP and this would leave the good guys defenseless to attacks!! Sounds reasonable, huh?

mrenee: you wrote " There's a lot of evidence GZ is a racist and no one is against self defense. "

Can you please provide the source of this "evidence" GZ is a racist? I actually would like to read about it from your source; because the FBI interviewed 37 people around Zimmerman and THEY didn't find him to be a racist. He took a black girl to prom, tutor's young black kids for FREE, has numerous black friends who spoke HIGHLY of him.

So, where is this evidence you site; claiming he is racist?

myfather15
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myfather15 07/21/13 - 12:48 pm
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fedex

Was your "no response from the cop" comment towards me? Did you ever consider that people HAVE to take a break from commenting?? At least I will try and get back to you, if you asked me a question. As a matter of fact, I was working on another case that you will be hearing about, very soon.

But, to answer your question; we go over EVERY aspect of neighborhood watch!! We talk to them about the aspect of carrying firearms as well as other "less-lethal" weapons!! But we NEVER tell them what they can or can't do. It's up the director and counsel of the neighborhood watch to make the decision to allow persons go carry!! If a member of the watch has NO criminal record and possesses a concealed carry permit, we do NOT discourage them from carrying; we just go over the pros and cons; and HIGHLY suggest they get professional training before carrying!! Sheriff's Offices even offer professional firearms training to some neighborhood watch members, IF THEY are interested!!

myfather15
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myfather15 07/21/13 - 12:59 pm
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t3bledsoe: Actual Florida law

776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of UNLAWFUL FORCE. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent IMMINENT DEATH or GREAT BODILY HARM to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a FORCIBLE FELONY; or

(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.

History.—s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1188, ch. 97-102; s. 2, ch. 2005-27.

Now Tim; can you please explain to us RATIONALLY, how this law could apply to Trayvon Martin, ASSAULTING Zimmerman because he was FOLLOWING HIM!!

I will ask again, in a slightly different manor; and of course expect no answer!!

How is FOLLOWING someone ONLY; placing them in fear of imminent death, GREAT bodily harm or a FORCIBLE felony??

This is the reason most laws state in them, "Reasonable person". Because no REASONABLE person could actually justify attacking someone, when all the person was doing is FOLLOWING and watching them!! Making ZERO attempt to contact or confront the person!!

Remember, "REASONABLE PERSON"!!

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 07/21/13 - 01:06 pm
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A POINT TO THINK ABOUT

We all know what the result of the actions taken in this fight was ! I am convinced, LIKE MOST REPUBLICAN CONSERVATIVES, had GZ not had a gun, he is the one that would be dead ! MY QUESTION TO ALL OF YOU, "Would GZ have "STALKED" TM if he had not had a gun ??!" My answer is that GZ's gun gave him the empowerment to "STALK" TM with a very egotistical "MOCHO" attitude !!!!

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 07/21/13 - 01:11 pm
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myfather15 @ 12:59

"776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of UNLAWFUL FORCE. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent IMMINENT DEATH or GREAT BODILY HARM to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a FORCIBLE FELONY"

You and HA just keep giving me the "amunition" that I need to "PROVE" my point !!

myfather15
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myfather15 07/21/13 - 01:13 pm
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Which one sounds like a REASONABLE person?

This is what I say: "I don't know everything about the Zimmerman case. I wasn't personally involved and don't know EVERY detail and piece of evidence. I won't claim EITHER side is completely innocent or guilty. But, the prosecution in Florida put together their best case, in front of 6 jurors; of which were all female. It's NOT likely all those jurors are racist; but it IS likely that at least one or two of them were very reasonable people. ALL of them said he was NOT guilty!! I will trust their judgment and allow the system to work. If GZ did something wrong, may God hold him accountable, when that time comes."

Or does this sound more reasonable: "Zimmerman is GUILTY, regardless of what anyone says!! The evidence the jury heard doesn't matter!! Zimmerman is a racist (without proof) and targeted TM because he was a black man!! So what he was found innocent by 6 racist people (without proof) on the jury, the federal government needs to charge him again!! Justice needs to be served for Trayvon!! Nothing short of conviction is justice!!"

Does that second one actually sound REASONABLE?? These people adamantly supporting NOTHING but a conviction, sound like a lynch mob!! Nothing will satisfy them besides the outcome THEY believe is justice!! You watch and see; if Zimmerman is charged with a Federal Civil Rights violation and is found innocent, these people will still be calling for justice!! Nothing will satisfy their racial blood lust!!

myfather15
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myfather15 07/21/13 - 01:26 pm
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t3bledsoe

"You and HA just keep giving me the "amunition" that I need to "PROVE" my point!!"

So now; following someone is FORCE??? You have GOT to be kidding me!! You believe this is "reasonable"?? Seriously??

If you believe this LAW; helps prove your point, you certainly are NOT the "reasonable person" the law speaks of!! Please explain how this law gives you ammunition? I'm sincerely asking for an explanation, instead of just a statement.

I asked you before, to please tell me how FOLLOWING and following only, is placing someone in fear of imminent death or great bodily harm; you failed to explain!!! Zimmerman didn't put his hands on anyone and DIDN'T even initiate contact with TM; so how is this placing TM in fear of anything, except being followed?? He pass the lie detector that YOU earlier suggested, when asked if he initiated contact with TM!! What exactly is enough for you? My feeling is nothing short of Zimmerman's blood will satisfy!!

So, is being followed ONLY; justification for assault or deadly force? If so, do you support all Private Investigator's being assaulted for following people and taking pictures? If I think my wife is cheating on me, and I follow her to a hotel; to see for myself if she is meeting another man; can she or that man then shoot me, for following them?

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 07/21/13 - 01:26 pm
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Agree to disagree

I have come to this point when debating; independent minded; Humble Angela. Neither one of us would give !! This is what I ment by appreciation of a good debater !! I wonder if she plays chess ? I guess I have come to this point, today. No hard feelings by calling it a draw !

myfather15
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myfather15 07/21/13 - 01:31 pm
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Dictionary definition of Force

"physical power or strength possessed by a living being: He used all his force in opening the window."

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/force

Definition of unlawful force: "Power or violence that is directed against a person without that person’s consent . Such an act is punishable as an offense or actionable tort."

http://law.yourdictionary.com/unlawful-force

Again, if you believe that following someone is "Power" and "violence" than when I refer to a "reasonable person" you are definitely NOT who I am referring to!!

KSL
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KSL 07/21/13 - 03:05 pm
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Bledsoe

You truly lost this one. It is definitely not a draw.

chascushman
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chascushman 07/21/13 - 03:13 pm
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"No hard feelings by calling
Unpublished

"No hard feelings by calling it a draw !"

de•lu•sion (d -l zh n)n.
1.
a. The act or process of deluding.
b. The state of being deluded.
2. A false belief or opinion: labored under the delusion that success was at hand.
3. Psychiatry A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence, especially as a symptom of mental illness:

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 07/21/13 - 03:33 pm
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chascushman @ 3:13

Haven't you copied and pasted this comment 3 times already ?

InChristLove
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InChristLove 07/21/13 - 04:55 pm
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Some people just don't catch

Some people just don't catch on the first time T3, so repeats sometimes are necessary.

myfather15
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myfather15 07/21/13 - 05:04 pm
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Some people simply don't know

Some people simply don't know when their "reasonable logic" has been CRUSHED!!!

But that's ok Tim, keep repeating those same old lines!! There are other unreasonable people that will listen and believe!!

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