Divisive demagoguery

Zimmerman aftermath is opportunity for true change, not more animosity

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Opponents of George Zimmerman are creating the very racial animus they claim he harbored.

Only exponentially so.

Race hustler Al Sharpton, the most divisive race baiter in modern American history, has called for protests in 100 cities today to press the U.S. Department of Justice to file civil rights charges against Zimmerman in the death of Trayvon Martin.

Others are sadly joining the mob. Singer Stevie Wonder is boycotting Florida and other states with “stand your ground” statutes that recognize a person’s right of self-defense. There are either 21 or 30 of them, depending on whom you believe.

Really? You’re against self-defense?

Whatever.

Meanwhile, Attorney General Eric Holder is setting the worst example possible: the country’s top law enforcement officer, attacking the God-given right of self-defense.

First, about the protests and the angst behind them:

There is not one scintilla of evidence George Zimmerman was racist.

This, from a CNN report last year:

“George Zimmerman (once) gave a scathing review of the Sanford Police Department and accused its chief of engaging in a cover-up during a public meeting in January 2011.

“Zimmerman’s anger stemmed from the case of Sherman Ware, a black homeless man who was beaten by the son of a white police lieutenant.”

And from London’s Economist: “His supporters pointed out during the trial that he took a black date to his high-school prom and befriended a black neighbor.”

Nor is there an iota of evidence Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin because of his race. Fact is, much of the evidence indicates Martin was beating Zimmerman severely before being shot.

The protests, and other reckless statements being made in the media, are only further dividing the nation along racial lines. What we are witnessing is the worst sort of demagoguery we’ve seen in many years.

Moreover, the protests seem to feed off the mistaken belief that what happened between Zimmerman and Martin is some kind of pattern (and, if Stevie Wonder is to be believed, it’s the fault of the sovereign state of Florida).

The truth is, none of us knows for certain what happened between those two – but the jurors weren’t convinced Zimmerman committed a crime. How do the rest of us know better than they?

Yet people are taking to the streets with absolute moral certainty that he should still be strung up by the feds?

At the very least, please recognize complete irrationality when you see it. Jesse Jackson, in his own words, recently depicted “Florida as a kind of apartheid state.” That’s just insane, to indict an entire state because of one case in which 1) there was no evidence of racial intent and 2) the evidence pretty much favored the defendant and his recitation of events.

Rather than chant for a pound of flesh like an angry lynch mob, why not work for unity and change?

As for trying to strip us of our rights to self-defense, we’ll just note that such a right is not manufactured and packaged by any government; it’s a God-given, natural right.

A government cannot take away what is not its own to give.

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t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 07/20/13 - 04:24 pm
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ICL

Juries can make WRONG decisions, AND THIS ONE WAS A DOZZY !!

owensjef3
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owensjef3 07/20/13 - 04:26 pm
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Yep that might help
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Yep that might help

myfather15
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myfather15 07/20/13 - 04:27 pm
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T3bledsoe

"The word you need to be using is "STALKING". According to code ( 1c ), Martin had every right to fear for his safety, therefore, the "STAND YOU GROUND" law applies for Martin as well as Zimmerman !!"

So, according to YOUR logic; every Private Investigator in the United States should be arrested by the police or assaulted by the people they are "Stalking" rather than following. Is that about right?

I also suppose we should do away with EVERY neighborhood watch program and especially citizen patrols!!!

owensjef3
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owensjef3 07/20/13 - 04:28 pm
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Joke
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Joke

InChristLove
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InChristLove 07/20/13 - 04:28 pm
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(Owens) "Yea a real man

(Owens) "Yea a real man needing a gun to take down a 17 year old"

Problem is Owens, Zimmerman didn't have the gun because he was out looking to take down a 17 year old. He had the gun because he has a legal permit to carry it. He had no idea he would see TM sneaking around the back of the apartment complex in the middle of the rain that night. He himself was coming back from town. Most likely if the gun was unloaded he wouldn't have been carrying it. Most people who have permits to carry, carry their guns loaded....no Barney Fife.

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 07/20/13 - 04:30 pm
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myfather15 @ 4:22

"Doesn't matter what the EVIDENCE is or was presented,"

The evidence is that Mr. police want-to-be GOT OUT OF HIS CAR !!!!

myfather15
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myfather15 07/20/13 - 04:33 pm
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Not sure what constitutes a

Not sure what constitutes a "good debater" on here. Since MOST of the commenters, on BOTH sides; basically repeat the same thing the other commenters say. Republicans repeat the same arguments and liberals DEFINATELY repeat the same jargon!!!

Some have interesting original thoughts; but most commenters repeat the same arguments as their fellow conservatives and liberals.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 07/20/13 - 04:33 pm
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t3 "Juries can make WRONG

t3 "Juries can make WRONG decisions, AND THIS ONE WAS A DOZZY !!"

Well aren't we glad this is only your opinion. I do believe I'll let the court decide based on all the evidence they reviewed. I believe they have a much higher intelligence on the matter than your twisted racist view point.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 07/20/13 - 04:35 pm
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"The evidence is that Mr.

"The evidence is that Mr. police want-to-be GOT OUT OF HIS CAR !!!!"

AND?

myfather15
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myfather15 07/20/13 - 04:35 pm
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Tebledsoe

The evidence was also that he took TWO (2) lie detectors and both showed he was being TRUTHFUL when he said he DID NOT confront Trayvon Martin!!

Two questions: Did you know that? Does it even matter, since YOU were the one suggested it? Address this issue!!

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owensjef3 07/20/13 - 04:35 pm
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No guns on neighborhood watch
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No guns on neighborhood watch and no contact, just eyes and ears. Then he got out car with one I. The chamber

myfather15
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myfather15 07/20/13 - 04:39 pm
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"The evidence is that Mr.

"The evidence is that Mr. police want-to-be GOT OUT OF HIS CAR !!!!"

That's a given!! Being as he was a "Neighborhood watch member" and he was WATCHING his neighborhood, as they are suppose to do!!

Now, do you want to arrest all Private Investigator's that "Stalk" unsuspecting people and take pictures of them in very private moments?? Seeing as FOLLOWING someone in YOUR eyes, is placing their lives in danger, I certainly hope the Supreme Court will hear a case about PI's and disband the entire practice!!!

myfather15
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myfather15 07/20/13 - 04:40 pm
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owensjef3

Who is going to enforce that regulation? Seeing if I join a neighborhood watch program and I have a concealed carry permit, they can't stop me, because I'm NOT breaking any laws!!

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 07/20/13 - 04:41 pm
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ICL @ 4:35

"AND?" AND Zimmerman commited an unjustified murder !! Pure and simple !!

myfather15
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myfather15 07/20/13 - 04:42 pm
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owensjef3

Obviously, you know NOTHING about firearms!! You NEVER go out without one in the chamber, unless your intention is to become a victim!! This case would be PERFECT example of that!! With Trayvon Martin plummeting Zimmerman with his fists, it would have been really hard to pull the firearm and chamber a live round!! Always, Always have one in the chamber and the firearm on safe!!

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myfather15 07/20/13 - 04:45 pm
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T3bledsoe

You've addressed several of my questions, but I haven't seen you address the LIE DETECTOR, that YOU suggested he take.

You also haven't addressed my comments about Private Investigators following (or stalking in your opinion) people all over the Country!! Explain the difference in Zimmerman, on neighborhood watch and WATCHING someone, and a PI following someone!! NEITHER are placing anyone's lives in danger!!

InChristLove
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InChristLove 07/20/13 - 04:47 pm
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"No guns on neighborhood

"No guns on neighborhood watch and no contact, just eyes and ears. Then he got out car with one I. The chamber"

Owen, Zimmerman still had done nothing wrong or broken any laws. This altercation started once Trayvon punched Zimmerman in the nose. He is the one who made first contact. He was a cocky 17 year old who thought he could bully or intimidate Zimmerman to back off and when the situation escalated, he did not fair well. Do you even realize how close he was to the residence he was staying? Instead of confronting Zimmerman he could have been at home (and there are still questions about that). Please tell me why Trayvon's dad waited until 8:30am the next morning to find out where his son was.....was it common practice for Trayvon to be out all night long....I'm sure he had to hear all the noise from the investigation after the shooting. Wasn't he concerned about his son? Didn't the son of the girlfriend question why Trayvon hadn't returned with his Skittles? Seems to me the boy would have wanted to know why Trayvon didn't return since it was stated he was going to the store to buy the skittles for the other boy? No one wants to answer these question they only want to ignore the obvious and make it appear that the "White man" got the "Black man" again.

myfather15
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myfather15 07/20/13 - 04:47 pm
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Got to go!! I'll check back

Got to go!! I'll check back later for your "rational" answer. Probably just going to repeat that Zimmerman got out of his car. Ok, I acknowledge that, now let's move on to a deeper issues of the incident!!

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 07/20/13 - 04:50 pm
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owensjef3 @ 4:35

"No guns on neighborhood watch and no contact"

Is this a rule for neighberhood watch people ?? If this is true, THEN ZIMMERMAN BROKE BOTH OF THESE RULES !!

myfather15
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myfather15 07/20/13 - 04:50 pm
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Again; to anyone carrying a

Again; to anyone carrying a firearm for personal protection, ALWAYS have a round in the chamber!! In most physical altercations, you will NOT have time to chamber a round, after it has started!! BE SAFE, But be PREPARED!!!

InChristLove
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InChristLove 07/20/13 - 04:56 pm
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""AND?" AND Zimmerman

""AND?" AND Zimmerman commited an unjustified murder !! Pure and simple !!"

I fail to see how Zimmerman getting out of his truck is murder? People get in and out of their vehicle every day, multiple times a day. Are you saying every time we get out of our cars we are killing someone.

I have a low tolerance for ignorance or instigating tactics so I do believe I'll find something more enjoyable to do this evening.

myfather15
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myfather15 07/20/13 - 04:57 pm
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t3bledsoe

The "Rules" for neighborhood watch vary from neighborhood to neighborhood, there are no set standards for ALL watch programs. A neighborhood will come together and form a committee or counsel of residents in the neighborhood and the counsel develop rules and regulations for THEIR specific neighborhood watch!! Even if the counsel develops rules for THEIR neighborhood, doesn't mean it's Georgia or Florida law!! It's not enforceable to anyone EXCEPT that neighborhood. The only consequences for breaking the rules would be removal from the program!!

I've attended and actually helped form several community and neighborhood watches over the years.

You sure are looking HARD for anything to hit Zimmerman with, aren't you? Man, you are struggling!!

Of course, REMEMBER; Zimmerman told the TRUTH on the lie detector when asked if HE confronted Martin and he said NO!! Still haven't addressed the lie detector!!

InChristLove
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InChristLove 07/20/13 - 04:59 pm
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T3, even if Zimmerman broke

T3, even if Zimmerman broke some neighborhood watch rules, does not make him guilty of murder.

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 07/20/13 - 05:04 pm
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ICL @ 4:33

"I believe they have a much higher intelligence on the matter than your twisted racist view point."

Just asking: If my view point is racist, then what about the 5 white women and 1 non-black woman jury !! You expect me to believe that NO Black people were called for jury duty in order to make up a more well rounded, fair jury ??!!!!

KSL
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KSL 07/20/13 - 05:04 pm
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How do you know the members

How do you know the members of the jury were racists? Are you psychic?

InChristLove
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InChristLove 07/20/13 - 05:21 pm
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I don't expect you to believe

I don't expect you to believe anything T3, that is a hopeless cause. As for why no Blacks were on the jury.......do some research of jury selection and as to how the prosecutor and the defense go about picking a jury. It is possible some African American men or women were interview but for reasons we are not aware of, or for reasons from the prosecuting attorney or defense attorney, none were selected. Still does not mean the jury was not a fair jury.....only that you feel because there were no blacks it couldn't possibly be fair.

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fedex227 07/20/13 - 06:15 pm
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myfather15 ...

I'm not weighing in on one side or the other but as a member of law enforcement, those neighborhood/community watch programs you've helped form - during those meetings do you advise members to patrol the community armed or to confront suspicous individuals? Serious question.

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 07/20/13 - 05:53 pm
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ICL @ 5:21

"because there were no blacks it couldn't possibly be fair"

NOW, you have got it correct !!

Like Rodney Dangerfield, "I'm not getting any respect !", so guess that is it for me today. Maybe tomorrow or Monday. Take care and have a nice evening.

KSL
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KSL 07/20/13 - 05:58 pm
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Why not if you have a cwp?

It seems quite obvious that Martin meant to at the very least, severely hurt Zimmerrman, if not kill HIM.

Pops
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Pops 07/20/13 - 08:00 pm
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Racism

goes both ways.......

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