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If Obamacare is so great -- or so disastrous -- why put it off?

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The Republican-controlled House Wednesday approved a one-year delay in the implementation of both the employer and individual insurance mandates under Obamacare.

The president has already agreed to delay the ominous employer mandate requiring businesses with 50-plus workers to provide workers health insurance or pay a fine. House Republicans also voted to delay the requirement on individual Americans.

But after years of fighting it and warning Americans about it in vain, you have to wonder if Republicans should instead insist that Obamacare be implemented on schedule. Why try to dismantle it when it will likely fall of its own corpulence anyway? Why put off the pain; why not take our bitter medicine now?

Although President Obama has agreed to delay the law’s mandates on businesses for a year, until 2015, its punitive effects on workers and its frightening financial effects are already being felt:

• A majority of Americans oppose the federal health care law in a recent Gallup Poll, with 42 percent saying it will make their families’ health care situation worse and only 22 percent saying better.

• Only 30 percent of businesses in a U.S. Chamber of Commerce survey say they think they’re ready for the law.

• Twenty-seven percent of businesses surveyed will cut workers’ hours to comply with the law; 24 percent will hire fewer people because of it; and 23 percent will replace full time employees with part-time workers to avoid fines under the law. That adds up to 74 percent, or nearly three-quarters of businesses, who say they will reduce jobs and hours because of Obamacare.

Most ironically, labor unions – which helped Obamacare become law – warned in a recent letter to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., that Obamacare will “shatter not only our hard-earned health benefits, but destroy the foundation of the 40 hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class.”

“When you and the President sought our support for the Affordable Care Act,” the letter says, “you pledged that if we liked the health plans we have now, we could keep them. Sadly, that promise is under threat ... We have been strong supporters of the notion that all Americans should have access to quality, affordable health care. We have also been strong supporters of you. In campaign after campaign we have put boots on the ground, gone door-to-door to get out the vote, run phone banks and raised money to secure this vision. Now this vision has come back to haunt us. ...

“The unintended consequences of the (Affordable Care Act) are severe. Perverse incentives are causing nightmare scenarios. First, the law creates an incentive for employers to keep employees’ work hours below 30 hours a week. Numerous employers have begun to cut workers’ hours to avoid this obligation, and many of them are doing so openly. The impact is two-fold: fewer hours means less pay while also losing our current health benefits.”

It’s interesting that the unions are waking up now. But at least they’re waking up.

“It was obvious in 2009 that Obamacare’s employer mandate would incentivize this shift,” writes Forbes magazine contributor Avik Roy. “Why didn’t labor unions fight it back then?”

“The law as it stands will hurt millions of Americans,” the union letter says.

Concern over Obamacare actually is helping Mr. Obama – by giving him an excuse to put the law’s worst pain off until after the 2014 midterm elections. He’s no doubt hoping and happy to take the issue off the campaign agenda next year.

You have to wonder whether Republicans should agree. If the law is going to be a disaster, then why put it off?

We also don’t think the Obama administration has the legal authority to unilaterally delay its scheduled implementation. The law is the law, and the president is tasked with “faithfully executing” it.

Of course, this administration has shown a zeal for picking and choosing which laws it wants to enforce, including immigration laws.

Besides, if Obamacare is such a great idea, why put it off?

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carcraft
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carcraft 07/19/13 - 04:28 am
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I had a laugh

Yesterday I was behind a vehicle marked with a bumper sticker "IBEW for Obama"! Now that it is becoming apparent what this law may well do to unions and their benefits I had to chuckle. Do these people really think Obama's ego and arrogance will allow him to change and admit maybe Obama care isn't quit right? Obama has to know what it is doing to America or he would not have rescinded the employer mandate until after the next election!

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corgimom 07/19/13 - 04:41 am
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"We also don’t think the

"We also don’t think the Obama administration has the legal authority to unilaterally delay its scheduled implementation. The law is the law, and the president is tasked with “faithfully executing” it."

And, of course, the fact that the software isn't ready for the employers to use to implement this, so that every employer in the US would have to report their information by hand- why would that present a problem for anybody? I guess Obama is responsible for manufacturing software, too.

"Only 30 percent of businesses in a U.S. Chamber of Commerce survey say they think they’re ready for the law."

Sure, implement it when 70% of businesses aren't able to do it yet. Sounds like a plan to me.

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Bodhisattva 07/19/13 - 06:24 am
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" Twenty-seven percent of

" Twenty-seven percent of businesses surveyed will cut workers’ hours to comply with the law; 24 percent will hire fewer people because of it; and 23 percent will replace full time employees with part-time workers to avoid fines under the law. That adds up to 74 percent, or nearly three-quarters of businesses, who say they will reduce jobs and hours because of Obamacare." It's a good thing 34 percent of the businesses didn't answer yes on each question or the Chronicle would have 102 percent of the businesses in the country reducing jobs and hours. Would the editors like to edit that part of their editorial?

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Gary Ross 07/19/13 - 06:45 am
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Trust the government?

If the majority of Americans oppose it, then why are they still pushing for it? It's pretty obvious we no longer live in a democracy.

On the other side of the coin, we should not trust statistics. They can be manipulated to show whatever you want. The unemployment rate is not the percentage on unemployed, for example. Then there's the poll that said 97% of Americans want a fair tax system. That was 12 years ago! If we are a true democracy, then why hasn't anything changed?

My trust is in God the almighty.

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nofanofobama 07/19/13 - 06:46 am
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this will destroy our

this will destroy our country--when an increasing number of people losing full time status..we are now at 47% full time, lowest ever...there will be less disposiable income [money left over after the necessities of life..ie shelter..food} this will cause more unemployment..and it will be a spiral effect...hope you obumler voters are happy , in demanding more govt freebies...libs are going to hurt more and more average americans who just work and do their duty..then in the not to distant future libs will have destroyed the economy ..and health care will be not be there for anyone...way to go libs..destroy the golden goose out of GREED and everyone loses...

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Bizkit 07/19/13 - 07:03 am
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The cost of private insurance

The cost of private insurance is suppose to double or triple. Now you all know the plan was for it to fail so we can go to the single provider system. That is why they passed a law that hadn't been written-to make sure they can screw up it at their leisure and assure it's failure. Obama always demagogies ideas he supports with telling us the majority of Americans support him-now when they don't he just ignores them and still tries to sell his pigs ear as a silk purse. Medical Record managed to start on time with the same issue-and they are still working out the software. You really have to implement the software to get it running so we all know that excuse is a load-look at Microsoft. Basically like the GRU ruse to "save money" is the same here. There is no savings nor they do address the major issues that studies indicate are the problem-it is all about the single largest take over of govt-the progressive nanny state with the death of free market-capitalism. Although I should qualify that Obama likes the mixed-economies like Germany and to rule like Charles de Gaul in France.

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Humble Angela 07/19/13 - 07:03 am
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"Sure, implement it when 70%
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"Sure, implement it when 70% of businesses aren't able to do it yet. Sounds like a plan to me."

Well....maybe there should not have been such a rush to pass a law that couldn't be implemented, don't you think? It doesn't matter if delaying the law is a good idea or not, the President does NOT have the authority to decide what law he can and can not enforce, yet he does it all the time...even on laws that HE championed. And to think, he wants the US to pass an immigration law based on the promise that he will enforce it.

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Bodhisattva 07/19/13 - 07:05 am
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Yet corporate profits are at

Yet corporate profits are at records and those at the top have record wealth. Why, because people vote against their economic interests, and let right wing radioheads do their thinking for them. Make sure political donations can be kept secret so you don't know who's giving millions to candidates or causes, yet whine that we're losing democracy, which we never were. We're a constitutional republic. It was voted in as law by the duly elected representatives. I'm willing to bet that everyone whining voted GOP which is the party that doesn't want donations public. They've blocked it in the Senate, and don't even think about it in the House. Obviously, they have something they want to keep hidden. That would be looking out after special interests and not giving a rat's rear end about people like you who vote for them. Here in the south they know the "live child or dead woman" rule applies. The rubes are in their pockets no matter what.

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Humble Angela 07/19/13 - 07:12 am
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Again with the wealth envy.
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Again with the wealth envy.

Yeah....I sure wish the corporate profits were incredibly low, so that my retirement account would ALSO be incredibly low. That will show them.

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Bizkit 07/19/13 - 07:15 am
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Too funny Bod you're right.

Too funny Bod you're right. Those questions are independent variables and could be different populations too-separate questions like each time you toss a coin 50/50 heads or tails .So really only 23-27% of businesses polled indicated the stated trend for each question-you don't add them up. But Obama uses fuzzy math all the time. Hey the Senate has also blocked out the House-its reciprocal.

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Bizkit 07/19/13 - 07:23 am
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Without the wealth of these

Without the wealth of these folks the GNP and GDP of America would be squat, rather than the highest. I'm glad someone is working hard and bringing home the bacon.-rather than seating lamenting they've been cheated and they want theirs. Usually I only get that "entitlement" attitude from young folks in the field of education.

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Bizkit 07/19/13 - 07:28 am
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So I gather anyone successful

So I gather anyone successful and making profits are bad?????? Hey a great idea would be for all the successful folks to take off for a year-they can afford it-and because govt revenues will be so low we can starve govt back down to size-the sequestration taint doing it. I'd like to see the govt reorganize to deal with infrastructure and pertinent issues here rather than billions sent to other nations (or being wasted by govt employees wanting to be Trekkies.

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Bizkit 07/19/13 - 07:34 am
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So we can lament the wealth

So we can lament the wealth of individuals in America but stay silent with all the waste of govt-then further insult people want to give them more to waste and use inefficiently and unsuccessfully. I don't get it. The govt doesn't need record profits as they just spend it anyways.

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deestafford 07/19/13 - 07:39 am
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The bottom line is obama thinks he is a ruler rather than

a president. As a matter of fact, Valerie Jarrett said after the election, "We will be ready to rule on day one". The elected officials in the US do not RULE...they GOVERN with the consent of the gorverned.

If the administration was not ready to implement because of software and other problems it had legal courses available to it. Mainly, it should have gone to Congress for a timeline change in the law. Afterall it is a law and the president does not have the authority to change or not enforce the law...or at least he shouldn't.

This egotistical community agitator thinks he can do what he wants with impunity and he seems to be right because the lap dog media and the spineless republicans and posterior kissing democrats let him get away with it. The way to stop obamacare if for the House to use its power of the purse and not fund it.

Keep in mind this is nothing more than a power grab by obama and a chance for him to give hundreds of thousands of dollars to his cronies such as the NAACP, ACORN, and the like to act as "navigators" to explain and show people how to sign up for the program and also sign up to vote democrat at the same time.

This is one of the worst pieces of legislation ever passed in the US. I would bet it in the top three or four.

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Bizkit 07/19/13 - 07:44 am
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I love the thumbs down and

I love the thumbs down and this is almost like tag team wrestling. I'll tag out to Dee or Humble for awhile. LOL>

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carcraft 07/19/13 - 07:49 am
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When wealth envy, employee

When wealth envy, employee greed, and wishing to punish success gets out of hand,and Tax and spend Democrates run something for years on those principals what do you get? DETROIT !!! That I'd where America is headed

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Bizkit 07/19/13 - 08:05 am
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I just wonder why I've wasted

I just wonder why I've wasted most of my life with personal responsibility-when all along I could have just given it to the govt with complete trust. Hey wait a minute-events of late make me question that "trust" issue.

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nofanofobama 07/19/13 - 08:05 am
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WHY? when i want to keep

WHY? when i want to keep roughly 55 percent after all taxes it is called greed..when i worked roughly 50-60 hours a week for the same company for 27 years..and earned promtions etc...i am greedy..when i worked and my wife and i sacrificed to raise 4 great kids, paid for their education, did without for years ..and now have extra spending money...i am greedy..why is it those who didnt excersize any personal discpline...took no advantage of any opportuntities that this great country offers...demand their comforts and toys of life from the govt..by the confiscation of those who works, others wealth...they are NOT GREEDY??? you got to kidding....

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Bizkit 07/19/13 - 08:10 am
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Oh dee, Obama isn't a ruler

Oh dee, Obama isn't a ruler he is a demi-god to his true believers. They get that tingle down their legs, and feel all warm and fuzzy. They want to tithe all their earning to their demi-god -oops I mean tithe everyone else earnings), they never question their demi-god with complete "faith". And to think most of these people criticize Christians.

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RMSHEFF 07/19/13 - 08:11 am
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Bizkit

You stated in an earlier post that a single payer system is the goal. You are exactly correct but it is much bigger than healthcare. iSingle payer has always been the plan and Obama said as much several years ago but no one picked up on his statement. Everything we see happening that does not make sense such as ObamaCare which no one wants and would kill small businesses, the backbone of our economy , amnesty for 11 million when we have 10% unemployment, refusal to OK the keystone pipeline and a flood of job killing regulation on manufacturing and war on fossil fuel and the coal industry. There are many more I could list but none of these things make any sense if you thought Obama wanted America to prosper and the people to do well. Everything he does is about control and forcing everyone to look to Washington DC for all their needs. We are watching the demise of personal liberty and freedom of the individual. Their desire is to manage our lives as they see fit. Obama second reason for wanting to control is to punish those that have been successful and have accumulated wealth. Americans must realize that Obama has no love for the America we grew up in and is truly fundamentally changing our country.

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Bizkit 07/19/13 - 08:21 am
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RMSHEFF you are absolutely

RMSHEFF you are absolutely correct. He has stated numerous times he would hurt the economy for ideological reasons. It isn't about an economy but his ideological goals. That "fundamental change". He reminds me of Mussolini in many ways. Mussolini was a political journalist and knew the power of the press. Obama has used the press to his advantage-and now the press is finally picking up on it that their vision of hope and change isn't the same as his. When Mussolini was kicked out of the socialist party he then became a fascist dictator-let's hope history doesn't repeat itself.

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jimmymac 07/19/13 - 08:41 am
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SINGLE PAYER
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I'm going to get heat for this but I believe a single payer plan would be good for America. Let me say this also. I'm a card carrying conservative but I think a single payer plan paid for by a sales tax is the best solution for us all. For years I worked and had great benefits and dreaded loosing them when I became eligible for Medicare. After being on Medicare for nearly two years my fears have been calmed. Medicare is a great system and would be better if fraud would be eliminated. Give everyone a Medicare type plan that would be portable and then all would have affordable healthcare. Nobody should get anything for free but all would pay if it was financed by a sales tax. The current system only benefits the insurance companies and big drug companies. Our elected reps do nothing to curb runaway drug costs. Other countries pay a fraction of what we pay for drugs and healthcare. Eliminate the need for insurance and by using a sales tax funded plan everyone would have some skin in the game.

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itsanotherday1 07/19/13 - 08:45 am
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"The cost of private

"The cost of private insurance is suppose to double or triple. Now you all know the plan was for it to fail so we can go to the single provider system."

That was clear from the beginning for anyone paying attention. But of course, those clamoring for Obamacare don't care what "payer" it is as long as they get gumment care.

There was no logical need to flip the whole system upside down to cover the 15% uninsured.

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chascushman 07/19/13 - 08:50 am
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"And, of course, the fact that the software isn't ready for the employers to use to implement this"
It seems some people will believe anything. The reason they stopped is because the democrats in congress are afraid it will cost them 2014 election. Plus the unions are now raising h*ll about it.

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Bizkit 07/19/13 - 08:53 am
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jimmy I agree that a single

jimmy I agree that a single payer system seems most logical and is an attractive alternative as there are different kinds of single payer systems. But we already have a pilot study for this in Medicare and as you pointed has numerous problems. I just don't have faith our govt can actually implement a fair and workable single payer system-nor do I believe Americans will change from their present trend of hang preventive care and deal with the problems later which would kill a single payer system. It would really take some fundamental change to implement a system here. But I agree with much of your comments concerning insurance and drug companies. I think I read of all Congress only 20% would support a single payer system-which really makes me wonder what's the deal.

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RMSHEFF 07/19/13 - 09:03 am
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I don't think there is any

I don't think there is any "going back" for America. We have been fundamentally changed and the forces "that be" are to great. . My Church has a prison ministry at a local State prison and when I was in the prison this past Monday it occurred to me that the "one thing" these men in prison have lost is choice. Every decision is made for these inmates. This process of loosing choices in our lives happens so slowly that many don't even realize it. In a generation or two Americans will be in a prison and not even realize it. The revolution in America is happening slowly over time but will arrive at the same location in the end.

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t3bledsoe 07/19/13 - 09:22 am
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Quote from editorial

"But after years of fighting it and warning Americans about it in vain, you have to wonder if Republicans should instead insist that Obamacare be implemented on schedule."

FINALLY, The Augusta Chronicle wants Republicans TO STAND UP FOR THE PEOPLEand do what they know to be the right thing to do !!

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t3bledsoe 07/19/13 - 09:32 am
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nofanofobams @ 9:05

"why is it those who didnt excersize any personal discpline...took no advantage of any opportuntities that this great country offers...demand their comforts and toys of life from the govt..by the confiscation of those who works, others wealth...they are NOT GREEDY??? you got to kidding...."

I whole-heartedly agree with this statement !! That is exactly why Obamacare will be great, to get many people off of Medicaid !

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soldout 07/19/13 - 09:40 am
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non-Christian leadership

If a leader can't figure out that killing unborn babies is a sin or doesn't know what normal sex is then nothing they say or do will have any wisdom in it. They should be disregarded in all ways and all your trust and needs should placed in the Lord and the promises of His Word. He won't change His mind and his resources are unlimited for your good.

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 07/19/13 - 10:02 am
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HA, we're not done from yesterday

Or maybe we are since I am correct about this one !

"(c) “Credible threat” means a threat made with the intent to cause the person who is the target of the threat to reasonably fear for his or her safety. The threat must be against the life of, or a threat to cause bodily injury to, a person.""

The reason that I am correct is two fold:

1). We do not know what Zimmerman said to Martin to probably provoce him.

2). Your beloved "STAND YOUR GROUND", for all you gun lovers, DOES GIVE MARTIN THE RIGHT TO SELF_PROTECTION per 1c stated above !!

Again, your link not mine !

I win, we are NOW done. Return to the current editorial.

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