Earth isn't flat

Energy challenges are real -- but the solution lies in moderation

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The most intemperate part of the global warming debate may be President Obama’s own rhetoric.

In announcing new executive-order restrictions on carbon emissions recently, the president ridiculed opponents in unbecomingly dismissive and condescending terms.

“I don’t have much patience for anyone who denies that this challenge is real,” he said. “We don’t have time for a meeting of the Flat Earth Society.”

But there’s apparently plenty of time to mock opponents, after nearly five years of inaction on the topic. Suddenly, we’re out of time to debate it, and if you don’t agree with him, you’re stupid anyway.

This is not the sort of rhetoric one normally would expect or want from a president of the United States.

That’s sad, particularly since there are many undecided and skeptical observers who might otherwise be persuaded one way or another by a more erudite – or just less disdainful – argument.

Many of those who remain skeptical – either of global warming or man’s role in it – are nonetheless willing to take reasonable steps to reduce pollution just in case the dire predictions ring true. The worst that happens under that scenario is that we clean up the planet a little.

Instead, there’s no room for disagreement, and those who seek moderation think the Earth is flat.

Syndicated columnist and apparent flat-Earther Charles Krauthammer said in response in that global temperatures have been flat for the past 16 years; the U.S. has reduced carbon dioxide emissions to 1992 levels, more than any other nation since 2006; and whatever we do, China and India alone continue to flip the switch on one new coal plant a week.

“Even if you believe in global warming,” Krauthammer said, “this is going to have zero effect on the climate.”

We wish it were going to have zero effect on the economy, but it’s likely to increase unemployment, cripple the nation’s coal industry and, as Krauthammer puts it, basically ship the industry overseas.

All through executive action – without the lift of a finger by Congress.

We do appreciate the president’s intentions. We all want a cleaner planet. No one wants that more than our kids; the nation’s young are especially supportive of the president’s plans.

Ironically, of course, no generation in history has used more electricity. And electricity has made their generation the most comfortable, wall-to-wall entertained generation in history as well.

But it has to come from somewhere. And while renewables are exciting and need to be brought online as quickly as possible, no one in any sector of the energy business believes they are anywhere close to fueling the bulk of our energy needs yet.

Mr. Obama’s actions are being called a “war on coal” – not just by Republicans, but by Democrats and – unbelievably – by the president’s own science adviser.

“It’s clear now that the president has declared a war on coal,” said Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va.

“The one thing the president really needs to do now is to begin the process of shutting down the conventional coal plants,” Obama science adviser Daniel P. Schrag was briefly quoted in the New York Times. “Politically, the White House is hesitant to say they’re having a war on coal. On the other hand, a war on coal is exactly what’s needed.”

By all means, let’s unilaterally disarm in the Energy Race and leave the future to the Chinas and Russias of the world. How would our children like that?

We happen to think a more productive and less punitive course of action, rather than trying to regulate coal out of existence, would be for the federal government to incentivize and cheerlead and accelerate the development of alternative and renewable energy sources while not hindering production of existing sources of mass energy.

That’s not saying the Earth is flat. It’s merely saying there are different approaches to a problem.

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Augustaisdying
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Augustaisdying 07/15/13 - 04:18 am
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Not surprising
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ACES is anti-science. Might wanna check with Paul Broun on the earth's geometric features. SMH.

Augustaisdying
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Augustaisdying 07/15/13 - 04:21 am
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Not surprising
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Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 07/15/13 - 04:51 am
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The ACES is anti-science?
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The ACES is anti-science? Really. I don't imagine you care to back that statement up with some facts......you know......use the scientific method? Or do you prefer to be unscientific and just make unfounded statements as if they were facts?

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carcraft 07/15/13 - 05:37 am
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The BEST study co authored by

The BEST study co authored by Judith Curry at Georgia Tech demonstrated no arming in 15 to 16 years. The "scientific" models that were developed to describe "Global Warming" are at the very end of their low extremes, and if another year or so continues they will be off the chart. Part of science is that it is reproducible and predictable. It is clear that the clowns running the "Global Warming " scam have failed. CO2 has gone up and temperatures haven't risen as predicted. If the models even came close to a correlation it might be note worthy!

seenitB4
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seenitB4 07/15/13 - 06:54 am
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Humble

That poster seems to be an authority on EVERYTHING...just ask him..especially on the postings of others...

BTW when the President says this..
and condescending terms.

“I don’t have much patience for anyone who denies that this challenge is real,”

He needs to get some patience because he will definitely need it in the next years...dang...when will it be over with himmmmmm.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 07/15/13 - 07:03 am
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It has been my observation
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It has been my observation that when a liberal accuses someone of being "anti-science" it means that you don't agree with their unproven theories.

ymnbde
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ymnbde 07/15/13 - 07:31 am
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political science

has taken over for real science
it's the only science government knows
the climate has always been changing
and big governments have always tried to get more power
by any means necessary

Bodhisattva
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Bodhisattva 07/15/13 - 07:35 am
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Does this count as science?

Or do Krauthammer's usual right wing grumblings outweigh real climate scientists?

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2010/20100728_stateoftheclimate.html

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 07/15/13 - 07:45 am
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Bodhisattva
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Bodhisattva 07/15/13 - 07:44 am
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Georgia Power

"the utility already has 25 percent more capacity than it expects to use on its busiest day." The Augusta Chronicle 7/10/13

"By all means, let’s unilaterally disarm in the Energy Race and leave the future to the Chinas and Russias of the world."????????????

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 07/15/13 - 08:00 am
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Where in the quote does it
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Where in the quote does it say to unilaterally disarm in the energy race? Talk about just making stuff up to bolster an argument.....sheesh.

Bodhisattva
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Bodhisattva 07/15/13 - 08:05 am
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You really are kidding aren't you?

A raging lunatic right wing Confederate apologist commentator vs. NOAA. I don't take vaccine info from Jenny McCarthy either. I prefer to stick to professionals, not nut cases.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 07/15/13 - 08:10 am
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Wow.....criticize the source,
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Wow.....criticize the source, just as I thought. What's the point in refuting anything they say...just call them crazy. And the World Health Organization is a Confederate apologist commentator.....who knew?

Bodhisattva
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Bodhisattva 07/15/13 - 08:10 am
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Read the editorial please.

Read the editorial please. 9th line from the bottom.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 07/15/13 - 08:15 am
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I read the editorial.....and
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I read the editorial.....and your point.

Are you not getting the sarcasm?

Bizkit
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Bizkit 07/15/13 - 08:15 am
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Science is a process. All the

Science is a process. All the initial models and science dealing with global warming were fraught with problem, but now they seem to believe their models are better (given meteorologist lack of predicting local daily weather does give one to pause over global events). So now they say their models are fine (but they also said that initially but later discovered to be wrong). So I wouldn't over react-the same problem happened in the 70s with education-a neurobiological study prompted a change in education but later the science proved wrong. To me the issue is it is "GLOBAL" so if everyone isn't on the same page you are flatulatin' in the wind. The US has really cleaned up the air and water since the 80s-more so than any other country. Now the issue is to get everyone else to follow-now given Obama can't get any country to oblige us in any fashion good luck on that one.

Bodhisattva
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Bodhisattva 07/15/13 - 08:18 am
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Cherry picked articles

Cherry picked articles discussing individual occurrences by a Confederate apologist nutcase. It's hotter, face it, but the correct terminology is climate change. It's not just warming. We're already seeing pretty dramatic changes in weather patterns. That's what we're going to have get used to. It may be too late to alter it.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 07/15/13 - 08:21 am
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So your cherry picked link is
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So your cherry picked link is better than mine? Care to explain why? The WHO says you are wrong. Why should I believe YOU over them? And you are right...the correct term IS climate change...the alarmists changed it to that after "global warming" was revealed as a hoax.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 07/15/13 - 08:22 am
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So to deal with Global

So to deal with Global warming the populace needs to get angry and lose their patience like Obama because it isn't the US lacking in dealing with this problem. It is everyone else. So when did Obama sign the Kyoto Protocol if he is serious about global warming?

allhans
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allhans 07/15/13 - 08:24 am
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Climate change is happening

Climate change is happening and will continue..always has, always will. (IMMHO)

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deestafford 07/15/13 - 08:26 am
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There are more true climate related scientists who believe any

global warming which may occur is not man made than those who do. Take away the government grants from those who spout the man made global warming mantra and then see how many still support it.

CO2 is not the culprit that many try to make it up to be. It is only less than 4 tenths of 1% of the atmosphere--- 0.039%. The man made portion of that is estimated to be the equivalent of the thickness of the linoleum on the ground floor of a 100 story building. There is evidence that CO2 is a result of rising temperature rather than the other way around.

By the way, what is the ideal temperature of the earth? Also, look at where the temperature measuring stations are in the world. Some in the US which were originally in fields are now in parking lots. One is at the end of the runway where jet engines blast as they rev up to take off.

When the USSR disbanded all their temperature stations in Siberia were no longer read and as a result those low temperatures were no longer included in any data. Therefore, when the lower temperatures are no longer calculated in the data the average goes up.

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Bizkit 07/15/13 - 08:32 am
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Most scientists agree that

Most scientists agree that humans are contributing to observed climate change. A meta study of academic papers concerning global warming, published between 1991 -2011 and accessible from Web of Knowledge, found that among those which expressed a position on the cause of global warming in their abstract, 97.2% supported the consensus view that it is man made. In an October 2011 paper published in the International Journal of Public Opinion Research, researchers from George Mason University analyzed the results of a survey of 489 American scientists working in academia, government, and industry. Of those surveyed, 97% agreed that that global temperatures have risen over the past century. Moreover, 84% agreed that "human-induced greenhouse warming" is now occurring. Only 5% disagreed with the idea that human activity is a significant cause of global warming National science academies have called on world leaders for policies to cut global emissions.
So the consensus on the issue is depicted above-but that doesn't mean they are correct either. Stanley Prusiner was castigated and treated like a moron for a decade because he was out of consensus with the Central Dogma, yet he got the last laugh with being given a Nobel prize for discovering prions. I've been waiting since the 70s for the mini-ice age that scientist predicted but then suddenly the "process" changed with global warming. Generally the test of any good theory is having predictable models. So can expect certain changes in weather patterns-more rain in some areas and form deserts in other. Remember the Artic was once tropical and attached to Australia. In fact if was still attached it would still be like Australia-it was cut off from warm waters.

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Bizkit 07/15/13 - 08:36 am
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If I truly believed Obama was

If I truly believed Obama was interested in the environment rather than relating to an interest group I'd be more supportive. Obama isn't interested in Global warming but using this as a political pawn to manipulate and fundamentally change America. It will be used to manipulate industry and the economy.

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soapy_725 07/15/13 - 08:55 am
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Obama's power has and will be used to destroy the USA.
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Obama's power has and will be used to destroy the USA.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 07/15/13 - 08:55 am
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Wow thumbs down by all the

Wow thumbs down by all the anti-science posters. I can't believe there are folks who believe in a flat earth.

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carcraft 07/15/13 - 08:56 am
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So who was responsible when

So who was responsible when Greenland was actually green and people were mining beneath the glaciers in the alps? What about when the artic areas grew. Vegetation and. Dinosaurs lived there? Climate change is a NORMAL part of earths existence . It is interesting that climate change advocates chose the end of the last ice age to start documenting "global warming"!

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Humble Angela 07/15/13 - 08:56 am
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Bod says....."We're already
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Bod says....."We're already seeing pretty dramatic changes in weather patterns."

Care to prove that? Where are these dramatic changes?

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RMSHEFF 07/15/13 - 09:00 am
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There is nothing so closed as

There is nothing so closed as a liberals mind. You cannot disagree with a liberal without being called all kinds of names. Global warming became a POLITICAL issue about 10 years ago and was co- opted by the environmental movement and those that want to destroy capitalism. Much more scientific study is needed to determine, if it exist, how it came about and what if anything can be done to change it. Scientist disagree on each of these points but Obama marches ahead in his effort to destroy capitalism . This issue is a Tool in his tool box.

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Bizkit 07/15/13 - 09:01 am
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Remember science said a high

Remember science said a high salt diet will kill you and go low salt diet. Oops turns out the low salt will kill you just as well. Salt is essential to life(we are mostly salt water) and we regulate the osmolarity of our blood through our kidneys and hormonal control-aldosterone and ANP. We've spent a lot of time demonizing salt just like global warming.

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Riverman1 07/15/13 - 09:09 am
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The Hockey Stick Graph

I notice some don't want to discuss the observations and conclusions of studies, but would simply rather tell you how many scientists believe in anthropogenic global warming even if the review of the studies was flawed. "The Hockey Stick Graph."

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