Keeping the faith

More of us should take stand against birth-control mandate

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While Democrats wailed about a phony-baloney GOP “war on women” in last year’s election cycle, they were preparing for a real battle against religious Americans.

Never mind the attempted assault on the faith-minded Chick-fil-A after an executive there merely said he supported traditional marriage. That assault failed miserably, thank goodness, with fans of the restaurant chain overwhelming it with support across the country.

More ominously, the federal health-care law requires employers to offer birth-control coverage, even if it violates a business owner’s deeply held religious beliefs in the sanctity of life.

In short, if anyone’s at war, this administration is with religious people and institutions.

The problem is, the religious aren’t fighting back much.

When Catholics and a few others squawked about the birth-control mandate, the Obama administration reluctantly agreed to exempt purely religious facilities. But the exemptions don’t include many faith-based organizations and their civic and social work offshoots, or secular businesses owned by people with religious views that are contrary to birth control.

There’s also the rather fundamental question of why it is that Americans must go to our rulers on bended knee to seek waivers in order to exercise their basic human and constitutional rights.

Since then, a few entities have fought a lonely battle against an emboldened Obama administration to secure their religious liberties. By proxy, they’re fighting for our rights as well.

Arts and crafts company Hobby Lobby is among the most prominent. And this past week, the chain won a huge, if partial and temporary, battle: The 10th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled it can continue fighting the birth-control mandate in court without having to pay massive fines for being in noncompliance with Obamacare. The fines would’ve started Monday.

It’s amazing that an appeals court would even have to provide such protection. Why would the Obama administration even seek to levy crippling, if not fatal, fines on a business for its trying to defend its owners’ constitutional rights? And why would any trial judge go along with it?

Be that as it may, any freedom-loving American should be thankful the appeals court provided Hobby Lobby that very reasonable, compassionate protection from an overbearing and oppressive government.

In fact, the judges expressed what amounts to legal sympathy for the company’s predicament.

“Would an incorporated kosher butcher really have no claim to challenge a regulation mandating non-kosher butchering practices?” they wrote.

The Associated Press reports that “More than 30 businesses in several states have challenged the contraception mandate.” That’s encouraging, but hardly enough. More people of faith need to stand up for their religious rights.

Now is the time. This is a red line on constitutional rights that, once crossed, may never be restored.

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corgimom 07/02/13 - 12:25 pm
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Humble Angela, Obama would

Humble Angela, Obama would have no reason to veto the healthcare plan, since that was one of his main campaign ideas.

However, no President ever writes any law, that's Congress that writes the laws. And it is the courts' job to interpret the laws- you know, like that pesky Constitution requires.

The ACES tends to forget that.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 07/02/13 - 12:47 pm
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""Whether individuals like it

""Whether individuals like it or not, GOD will be our leader!!"

If we 'must' follow the leader, then what becomes of 'free choice."

dahreese, do you not understand....God is and will remain the leader always, whether we like it or not....no one said you "must" follow Him, it is your free choice.....but he will always be the ruler/leader. So your free will is still in tact and whatever you decide, you must one day deal with.

justthefacts
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justthefacts 07/02/13 - 12:51 pm
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Corgi, thanks

I have always wondered why they call PPACA the "113thUSCongressCare."

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faithson 07/02/13 - 01:09 pm
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you must one day deal with.

i submit that we deal with it 'everyday'... we live the consequences of our decisions. I have always found it interesting that those whom I have met who complain the most, pretty much bring their 'anxiety' upon themselves, than look 'out' for someone or thing to blame... we are our worst enemy...

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 07/02/13 - 01:31 pm
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Corgi...YOU asked " and why
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Corgi...YOU asked " and why would anybody blame the Obama administration for something that Congress passed?"

Because Obama get's the final word. If he doesn't sign it, it's not a law. You know...that pesky constitution again? THAT is why he gets the blame. At least from people who don't blame everything he does on Bush or someone else. God knows that his followers give him credit for anything good that happens, but REFUSE to place blame when it's not good.

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 07/02/13 - 01:35 pm
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HA @ 2:23

"Because Obama get's the final word. If he doesn't sign it, it's not a law. You know...that pesky constitution again? THAT is why he gets the blame. At least from people who don't blame everything he does on Bush or someone else"

I have to agree with Corgimom @ 1:26 about this subject. Why wouldn't Obama sign the The Affordable Care Act that he fought for !

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 07/02/13 - 01:41 pm
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HA @ 2:31

"God knows that his followers give him credit for anything good that happens, but REFUSE to place blame when it's not good."

I assume that you are talking about Obama. As a Democrat, I will say that The Obama Admin. does have a lot to be blamed for ! But Bush supporters MUST REMEMBER the State of the Union when Obama took over !!

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OJP 07/02/13 - 01:46 pm
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More of the same.

The Right needs to stop being pro-birth and actually be pro-life. If you are going to force people to have kids, you can't then cut food stamps.

That is, of course, if you are actually pro-life.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 07/02/13 - 01:46 pm
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"Bush supporters MUST
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"Bush supporters MUST REMEMBER the State of the Union when Obama took over !!"

You mean lower unemployment, half the debt, no war in Syria or Libya?

As for a reason Obama shouldn't have signed the ACA...how about the fact that he never read it? Don't you think that would be a good reason?

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 07/02/13 - 01:49 pm
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"If you are going to force
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"If you are going to force people to have kids, you can't then cut food stamps."

Yes you can. YOUR children are YOUR responsibility. And no one is forcing people to have kids. Preventing people from killing kids is not the same as forcing them to have kids. It's called personal responsibility.

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 07/02/13 - 01:50 pm
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speaking about abortion

Abortion SHOULD ONLY be for the health of the mother. Society is always blaming the liberals for abortion and DOES NOT blame the fathers of these un-born children.

1.) First, The Bush Admin. had 8 full years to keep the pro-life drive in front of congress and The Supreme Court. Did he do his best ?? NOT BY A LONG-SHOT !!

2.) Second, there has got to be a way to hold these "men" responsible for their actions !!

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 07/02/13 - 01:54 pm
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I can't argue with that
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I can't argue with that t3bledsoe, but as for the state of the union.....it was better 6 years ago.

myfather15
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myfather15 07/02/13 - 01:55 pm
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Humble Angela

There you go with that "personal responsibility" thing. You just lost the next republican candidate 10 more votes!! I believe everytime we mention that people should be responsible for themselves and government shouldn't be; the republicans lose 100 votes.

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 07/02/13 - 01:59 pm
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HA @ 2:46

"You mean lower unemployment, half the debt, no war in Syria or Libya?

As for a reason Obama shouldn't have signed the ACA...how about the fact that he never read it? Don't you think that would be a good reason?"

FIRST, welcome back to my world ! It has been 4 days that we have debated !

Second, It was the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that ran our debt up during Bush. Syria is not any Americans' fault. HOW DO YOU know that Obama didn't read The ACA ?

Third: Please read my e-mails.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 07/02/13 - 02:07 pm
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You DO know that we have
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You DO know that we have troops at the Syrian border, and we were are involved in the war in Libya? Those are just as much Obama's fault as Iraq is Bush's.....Libya even more so, since he didn't get congressional approval first.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/22/us-troops-in-jordan_n_3484024.html

http://www.wnd.com/2013/06/jordan-wargames-4500-u-s-troops-near-syrian-b...

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 07/02/13 - 02:03 pm
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"It was the wars in Iraq and
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"It was the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that ran our debt up during Bush."

What was it that doubled that debt since Bush left?

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 07/02/13 - 02:07 pm
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HA @ 2:54

"I can't argue with that t3bledsoe, but as for the state of the union.....it was better 6 years ago."

Perhaps The State of the Union was better, BUT the economy and unemployment was ready for a free-fall because of The Bush Admin. !

myfather15
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myfather15 07/02/13 - 02:07 pm
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OJP

Now, I know that sex is REALLY, REALLY REALLY fun!! I also completely understand why people want to have more and more of it; I'm with them on that. BUT, is it so unthinkable to ask people to be responsible when partaking of sex and if their NOT going to be responsible in prevention, then HOLD them responsible for the results (pregnancy) of THEIR ACTIONS?

But, this goes back to exactly what I quoted from the Bible. People simply DO NOT want to be told what they should or shouldn't do. They "Will not endure strong doctrine"!!

How dare anyone sit and tell me what I should or shouldn't do, especially in my private life, right? Don't tell me to have responsible sex or be responsible for the child if I get a woman pregnant; that offends me!! How dare you say that, when I can just kill that unborn human being!! Responsibility resolved and now I can continue having unfettered sex with every woman willing!! Woot, Woot!!

I mean, it's completely ridiculous to expect INDIVIDUAL persons to be responsible for their own lives and SUPPORT themselves and their children, right? That's the governments job!! Certainly we shouldn't cut off food stamps to a woman who just had her NINTH child and has never been married!! Nope, in THIS SOCIETY she get MORE MONEY!! Also, how dare I judge this woman by even mentioning that she has never been married and has 9 kids by 6 different men!! I'm just a bigot!! Right?

The mentality of the people who think like this IS going to be what destroys this Country!! It is absolute insanity!! Literally, it's insanity, meaning we are doing the same thing over and over and expecting different or better results!!

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 07/02/13 - 02:10 pm
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HA @ 3:03

"What was it that doubled that debt since Bush left?"

How about the interest on the debt and the defence budget.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 07/02/13 - 02:16 pm
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Sorry...that's not it.
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Sorry...that's not it. Is it that hard to place the blame where it belongs? There is no doubt that Bush spent way too much, but it pales in comparison to what Obama has done in half the amount of time.

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 07/02/13 - 02:15 pm
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myfather15 @ 3:07

"Now, I know that sex is REALLY, REALLY REALLY fun!! I also completely understand why people want to have more and more of it; I'm with them on that. BUT, is it so unthinkable to ask people to be responsible when partaking of sex and if their NOT going to be responsible in prevention, then HOLD them responsible for the results (pregnancy) of THEIR ACTIONS?"

All people should agree with this statement regardless of which party !

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 07/02/13 - 02:18 pm
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"All people should agree with
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"All people should agree with this statement regardless of which party !"

Unfortunately, it seems that a great number of people only agree with the first part of the statement. They want nothing to do with personal responsibility.

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nofanofobama 07/02/13 - 02:19 pm
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BLED--name the highest

BLED--name the highest deficit we had in 8 years of bush..then compare the 5 years of obumler..whats the best ratio 3 to 1???? and we do agree that men should be responsible for their fathered children..but if we quit subsidizing out of wed lock children..and demanding that we have workfare to substitue welfare it might help...maybe the govt should support families not destroy them and encourage activity that support families and not encourage single mothers..our govt does a lot of stupid thing to promote a welfare state..

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dahreese 07/02/13 - 02:20 pm
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@InChristLove, Having to
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@InChristLove,

Having to live in fear of a god looking over your shoulder at everything you do is NOT "free choice."

If it's "free choice" I should not have to fear the wrath of god and being doomed when I make a mistake.

You remind me of so many who go to church and if the minister doesn't tell them how bad they are and how guilty they ought to feel, they feel like they've not heard a good sermon.

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Interesting, too, how some of you want to do away with abortion, but are perfectly happy to cut off food stamps to those same kids after they are born.

Do I detect a little hypocrisy here....

myfather15
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myfather15 07/02/13 - 02:21 pm
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Pathological Altruism!!

The road to hell is always paved with good intentions! What's always amazed me is how MANKIND comes up with a "New" study and declares the results of this study as "recent discoveries".

Pathological Altruism is basically saying the supporting of people who are able to support themselves, enables them to continue to do NOTHING. Meaning the government giving all the entitlements to people who are able, is causing them to NOT strive to succeed, but sit on their duffs!!

Wow, how much money did these researchers get for this "New study"? So this is a NEW revelation to mankind?

II Thessalonians 3:10 "For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat."

Wow, so you mean the Bible told us about ENABLING, all those years ago? YES!!

Pathological Altruism might be a "NEW" discovery to mankind; because MANKIND won't listen to God!! Mankind thinks they have ALL the answers and have no need for some silly god.

LP's would be absolutely SHOCKED to see just how many people would actually FIND WORK; if they were hungry enough!! I promise you, a human being is NOT just going to sit around doing nothing and starve to death!! They WILL get up when that stomach starts growling!! But, on the other hand; when that stomach starts growling and here comes the government with a big debit card to save the day; they WILL sit around on their duffs!! Why work, when the basic essentials are being given to you. Even more than the basic essentials, we are providing them phones!!

Now, if you think I'm talking about the elderly and TRULY disabled; stop being ignorant and use common sense!! I'm talking about those MILLIONS out here CONING the system and contributing greatly to the demise of this Country!! They are going to pay a serious price, ONE DAY!!

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 07/02/13 - 02:23 pm
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HA @ 3:16

"Sorry...that's not it. Is it that hard to place the blame where it belongs? There is no doubt that Bush spent way too much, but it pales in comparison to what Obama has done in half the amount of time."

So I guess it is the social programs. Tell me, what do you think about Social Security and Medicare ?

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 07/02/13 - 02:30 pm
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nofanofobama @ 3:19

No president wants to be the one that will cut social programs, Social Security, and Medicare. If a Democrat does, The Republican Party will experience the good bump at the polls, and visa versa. Do we need a president that has the guts to do it ?? YES, it is long over-due !

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burninater 07/02/13 - 02:56 pm
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Doubled the debt?It was

Doubled the debt?

It was $12.6T in 2008, at the start of Obama admin finances. It is now $19T.

Of the $6.8T added, $5.1T was deficit spending. $1.6T is "off the books" -- Iraq is a big chunk of this, don't know what the rest is, not sure if interest payments are budgetary items.

So, $5.1T/$12.6T = 0.40.

Forty percent increase, following the worst economic disruption since 1929. That's a big increase. So big, you kind of wonder why people feel the need to make up the whopper that it's a hundred percent increase.

This sweet little link will get you all the REAL numbers, going back as far as you'd want.

http://www.usgovernmentdebt.us/spending_chart_1900_2016USr_14s1li011mcn_...

Get well-read, not misled!

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 07/02/13 - 02:37 pm
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HA @ 3:18

"Unfortunately, it seems that a great number of people only agree with the first part of the statement. They want nothing to do with personal responsibility."

It is good to know that a liberal and a conservative can agree on some things.

justthefacts
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justthefacts 07/02/13 - 02:41 pm
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Mr Bledsoe

Paul Ryan is your man.

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