Keeping the faith

More of us should take stand against birth-control mandate

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While Democrats wailed about a phony-baloney GOP “war on women” in last year’s election cycle, they were preparing for a real battle against religious Americans.

Never mind the attempted assault on the faith-minded Chick-fil-A after an executive there merely said he supported traditional marriage. That assault failed miserably, thank goodness, with fans of the restaurant chain overwhelming it with support across the country.

More ominously, the federal health-care law requires employers to offer birth-control coverage, even if it violates a business owner’s deeply held religious beliefs in the sanctity of life.

In short, if anyone’s at war, this administration is with religious people and institutions.

The problem is, the religious aren’t fighting back much.

When Catholics and a few others squawked about the birth-control mandate, the Obama administration reluctantly agreed to exempt purely religious facilities. But the exemptions don’t include many faith-based organizations and their civic and social work offshoots, or secular businesses owned by people with religious views that are contrary to birth control.

There’s also the rather fundamental question of why it is that Americans must go to our rulers on bended knee to seek waivers in order to exercise their basic human and constitutional rights.

Since then, a few entities have fought a lonely battle against an emboldened Obama administration to secure their religious liberties. By proxy, they’re fighting for our rights as well.

Arts and crafts company Hobby Lobby is among the most prominent. And this past week, the chain won a huge, if partial and temporary, battle: The 10th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled it can continue fighting the birth-control mandate in court without having to pay massive fines for being in noncompliance with Obamacare. The fines would’ve started Monday.

It’s amazing that an appeals court would even have to provide such protection. Why would the Obama administration even seek to levy crippling, if not fatal, fines on a business for its trying to defend its owners’ constitutional rights? And why would any trial judge go along with it?

Be that as it may, any freedom-loving American should be thankful the appeals court provided Hobby Lobby that very reasonable, compassionate protection from an overbearing and oppressive government.

In fact, the judges expressed what amounts to legal sympathy for the company’s predicament.

“Would an incorporated kosher butcher really have no claim to challenge a regulation mandating non-kosher butchering practices?” they wrote.

The Associated Press reports that “More than 30 businesses in several states have challenged the contraception mandate.” That’s encouraging, but hardly enough. More people of faith need to stand up for their religious rights.

Now is the time. This is a red line on constitutional rights that, once crossed, may never be restored.

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owensjef3
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owensjef3 07/02/13 - 04:11 am
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Blah blah blah. Blah blah
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Blah blah blah. Blah blah

carcraft
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carcraft 07/02/13 - 04:42 am
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By a well known German poet post Hitler who supported Hitler

When they Came for the Jews, I said nothing I wasn't a Jew. When they came for the Catholics, I said nothing I wasn't Catholic, When they came for me there was nobody to say anything!

corgimom
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corgimom 07/02/13 - 04:46 am
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"It’s amazing that an appeals

"It’s amazing that an appeals court would even have to provide such protection. Why would the Obama administration even seek to levy crippling, if not fatal, fines on a business for its trying to defend its owners’ constitutional rights? And why would any trial judge go along with it?"

Because it's a new law, there was no provision made in it for this situation, and why would anybody blame the Obama administration for something that Congress passed?

ymnbde
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ymnbde 07/02/13 - 05:06 am
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but they're diversey

and believe "that [people] of the [government], by the [government], for the [government], shall not perish from the earth"
and sing
"power to the [government] power to the [government] right on"
oh children of the children of the '60s, how far you've fallen

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 07/02/13 - 06:10 am
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" and why would anybody blame
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" and why would anybody blame the Obama administration for something that Congress passed?"

hmmmm...when did they take away the President's veto power?

Bodhisattva
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Bodhisattva 07/02/13 - 06:12 am
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In other words, a person's

In other words, a person's employer should have the final say on which Constitutional rights apply to an individual. Corporations above people. No wait, corporations ARE people. They don't breathe, can live forever, and now their rights should trump the rights of real people. The founders are spinning in their graves.

"I hope we shall take warning from the example and crush in it's [sic] birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws our country." Thomas Jefferson

“But charters and corporations have a more extensive evil effect than what relates merely to elections. They are sources of endless contentions in places where they exist, and they lessen the common rights of national society” Thomas Paine

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 07/02/13 - 06:20 am
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I guess Unions shouldn't have
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I guess Unions shouldn't have the rights of people either.

ymnbde
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ymnbde 07/02/13 - 06:34 am
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yep, Hitler really wanted to be CEO of a large corporation

and Stalin wanted to be head of peta
alas, they both had to settle for the real power
oh, bod, don't you tire of pasting?

Bodhisattva
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Bodhisattva 07/02/13 - 07:02 am
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Nope.

Nope.

Bodhisattva
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Bodhisattva 07/02/13 - 07:16 am
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ymnbde????????????????????

Please try to stay on topic. Sort of a weird response to quotes from Jefferson and Paine. Sorry you don't like those guys. I prefer not to waste time typing out a quote. You're quite welcome to spend your time as you please, but don't you tire of criticizing other posters for not typing like you prefer?

Bodhisattva
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Bodhisattva 07/02/13 - 07:23 am
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HA

The "Nope" was for your question. People should have the rights of people. That's it.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 07/02/13 - 07:24 am
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"In other words, a person's

"In other words, a person's employer should have the final say on which Constitutional rights apply to an individual"

Where in the constitution does it say that I as an employer have to provide medical coverage of birth control for any and all employees.

"There are two types of employee benefits must provide by law those the employer must provide by law and those the employer offers as an option to compensate employees. Examples of required benefits include social security and workers' compensation, while optional benefits include health care insurance coverage and retirement benefits. Both required and optional benefits have legal and tax implications for the employer."

Statement taken from the small business administration website and as far as I can tell or have read, no where does it say an employer has to provide birth control coverage to their employees.

soapy_725
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soapy_725 07/02/13 - 07:26 am
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"without the mark of the beast, you can neither buy nor sell"
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Where is that beast? Is it the US Government? Is it our KING and his princes?

soapy_725
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soapy_725 07/02/13 - 07:28 am
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the mark? a copyright? a logo? a government license?
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Many things fit this scripture.

soapy_725
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soapy_725 07/02/13 - 07:30 am
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Great is our Beast. There is none like him in all the world.
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Its powers reach every corner of the world. It armies are on every continent. It controls the life's blood of the industrial revolution.

justthefacts
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justthefacts 07/02/13 - 07:34 am
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TJ

If only Liberals believe in all of Mr. Jefferson's philosophies and not just the ones that fit their agenda.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 07/02/13 - 07:37 am
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What makes up corporations
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What makes up corporations and unions? Robots?

soapy_725
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soapy_725 07/02/13 - 07:43 am
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Faith in God or faith in Government? That isTHE ISSUE facing
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not only America, but the world.

soapy_725
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soapy_725 07/02/13 - 07:44 am
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RMSHEFF
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RMSHEFF 07/02/13 - 07:51 am
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Liberals won't be satisfied

Liberals won't be satisfied until the government controls all aspects of society, after all the do such a good job running things. They don't actually have to take the business over to be in control. Through mandates and laws they accomplish the same goal.

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 07/02/13 - 07:51 am
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corg--perhaps the messiah,

corg--perhaps the messiah, OBUMLER did not read it***oh heck who did???

soapy_725
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soapy_725 07/02/13 - 07:54 am
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Are the liberals actually pushing a FASCIST agenda?
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Fascist do not own everything, they just micro control everything.

carcraft
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carcraft 07/02/13 - 07:56 am
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You do not have to Work for a company

You simply do not have to work for a company that doesn't provide the BENEFITS you want. Should companies be forced to provide Jaguars for every employee? What about 60 days paid vacation along with the cost of the vacation? Why not over time pay for what ever hours you work? Many of the employee benefits, including health care were because during World War 2 wages were frozen so benefits were used to provide incentives to work for a company. I worked for many employeers when I was young that did not provide health care. If you wanted health care insurance go buy it your self. Now we have reached the point to where it is no longer an option for employers. I can't wait until this hits those on the left and they realize that Obama care really isn't going to do what they think, I think in fact it will do the opposite. You will have health insurance that provides not even the bare minimium of health care at high costs, sort of like the cut rate auto insurnce for a person that has a drunk driving conviction!

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Bizkit 07/02/13 - 07:58 am
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But remember the SCOTUS ruled

But remember the SCOTUS ruled Obamacare is a tax. Thomas Jefferson spoke about taxes too:
“If we run into such debts as that we must be taxed in our meat and in our drink, in our necessaries and our comforts, in our labors and our amusements, for our callings and our creeds, as the people of England are, our people, like them, must come to labor sixteen hours in the twenty-four, and give the earnings of fifteen of these to the government for their debts and daily expenses.

And the sixteenth being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live, as they do now, on oatmeal and potatoes, have no time to think, no means of calling the mis-managers to account; but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains around the necks of our fellow sufferers.

And this is the tendency of all human governments. A departure from principle in one instance becomes a precedent for a second, that second for a third, and so on 'til the bulk of the society is reduced to be mere automations of misery, to have no sensibilities left but for sinning and suffering.

And the forehorse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follows that, and in its train wretchedness and oppression."
It isn't about healthcare but taxes. You will be taxed if you don't have insurance.

RMSHEFF
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RMSHEFF 07/02/13 - 08:04 am
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Good post....we have indeed been warned. I see each day just how wise these "old dead guys" were. They tried their best to give us a government that could not be corrupted but they all knew that if man is involved corruption would eventually win the day.

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deestafford 07/02/13 - 08:08 am
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What has happened, we have allowed over the decades

the statists to slip the velvet handcuffs of fascism over our wrists.

We, the people, have decided that we have certain ''rights'':

The ''right'' to health care.

The "right" to nutritious food.

The "right" to not be offended.

The "right" to affordable housing.

And the list goes on and on. These are not RIGHTS. One cannot have something as a "right" if it requires the action of others labor. There is only one of the ten Bill of Rights that require something of someone else and that is the right to trial by jury. It requires someone give up their time in order to serve on a jury.

It all gets down to two things--a bunch of "elites" in government at all levels who think they know more what's best for us than we do and a group willing to believe that those in power will take care of us. It's all about power...those willing to take it and those willing to give it up in order to be "comfortable".

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dahreese 07/02/13 - 08:13 am
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"The problem is, the
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"The problem is, the religious aren’t fighting back much."

Well....you can't have it both ways.

Seems on the one hand you moan and groan for separation of church and state.

Most ministers hid behind the cloth and their pulpits and the "separation of church and state (and still do) and said nothing about the contrived attack on Iraq. (In fact, except for a few Unitarians, most ministers don't have the backbone to speak against any wars period).

And now, because it's an issue you don't agree with, you want the Church to side step separation of church and state and oppose government?

There's not a little contradiction here, is there?

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 07/02/13 - 08:15 am
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dahreese
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dahreese 07/02/13 - 08:18 am
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"They tried their best to
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"They tried their best to give us a government that could not be corrupted but they all knew that if man is involved corruption would eventually win the day."

This is elementary school hogwash.

The "founding fathers" fought tooth and nail over whether to set up a government run by an elite group or give common people some say-so in government.

justthefacts
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justthefacts 07/02/13 - 08:29 am
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dahreese

I don't think you comprehend the religious component of this argument. It is not contradictory at all.

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