This speaks volumes

The White House met with the IRS more than any other agency head

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How you spend your time speaks to your priorities.

Now consider: This White House has hosted the secretary of Homeland Security fewer than 50 times – but the head of the IRS has stopped by more than 150 times.

Still believe the IRS targeting of conservatives was contained to low-level employees in Cincinnati?

And here’s how little former IRS Commissioner Doug Shulman thinks of you and the scandal his agency is embroiled in: When asked by a congressman why he made all those visits to the White House, Shulman quipped, “Um, the Easter Egg Roll.” We’re not sure whether that’s a thumb in your eye or a different digit shot your way.

You think the IRS is powerful now? Just wait. If they get away with blatantly using their stewardship of the tax code to punish enemies of the regime, there is no floor to how low our government can go to rig civic life in America. And the IRS will be at the forefront of enforcing Obamacare.

Look at what this says about the president’s priorities. The IRS commissioner’s 150-plus White House visits dwarf those by the secretaries of Defense, Energy, Treasury (in a historically weak economy), Labor (in a historically weak economy), Transportation, Agriculture and Education, as well as the CIA chief and even the attorney general. Most of them notched fewer than 50 White House trips.

What, aside from the annual Easter Egg Roll, could interest the White House so much about the workings of the IRS? Doesn’t it strain believability to now presume this White House had nothing to do with the IRS scandal?

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Riverman1
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Riverman1 06/01/13 - 03:12 am
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Itemize His White House Visit

I would have the IRS Commissioner document his itinerary for the Egg Roll with receipts. If he drove there he should have to prove how much that car is driven for personal use vs. business. He should have to produce receipts for the past 7 years for everything he has done. He should list those he spoke with on the White House lawn and declare if he consumed any food or drink while there. If he used his cell phone while there....It goes on and on...at least for ordinary Americans.

fedex227
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fedex227 06/01/13 - 05:28 am
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"What, aside from the annual Easter Egg Roll,
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could interest the White House so much about the workings of the IRS?"

Ah yes, what indeed. Of course we're not going to provide you any facts. Why would we when innuendo is so much juicier. This is right wing journalism at its finest - 'we're not actually saying there was any wrongdoing (because that might be considered libelous), we're just throwing it out there.' How cheap.

palmetto1008
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palmetto1008 06/01/13 - 07:35 am
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A BIG thumbs down for you,
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A BIG thumbs down for you, Bod. You are introducing facts which interfere with the party line...or should I say the FOX line.

deestafford
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deestafford 06/01/13 - 07:49 am
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I'd be willing to bet

that when the truth outs, we will find there was collusion with the head of the IRS and the re-election people.
I think I'll go into the blinder selling business since the liberal/progs seem to be wearing them so much that they have to be wearing them out by the dozens.

ymnbde
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ymnbde 06/01/13 - 09:04 am
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freedom has become an elective procedure

imagine when the IRS (cheka) gets access to our health care records
running for the city council?
shouldn't the voters know about any minor embarrasing health issues?
if the IRS (cheka) thinks so
think your dermatologist records, your podiatrist records, your prescriptions, your detailed colon exam records are private?
not if the IRS (cheka) says they're not
his people stole the election by having the IRS (cheka) interfere in Ohio
and other places as yet unknown...

Riverman1
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Riverman1 06/01/13 - 09:10 am
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Union Head

The head of the IRS employees government union met with Obama many times at the White House. I suspect that's where the buck is going to stop.

carcraft
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carcraft 06/01/13 - 09:26 am
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What me worry?

Fedex227, Well of course there is speculation, the IRS missed the congressional dead line for producing documents to congress. Don't worry thought you can be late producing documents for the IRS..Right? BWAHAAHAHA Bod-Try telling the IRS reviewer of your tax form some stupid flippant answer about a deduction, they really don’t have a sense of humor and audits almost all ways cost you money, we pay this jerks salary and he should respond accordingly. Now because the IRS director was cleared for “health care meetings” where is the proof that was what was actually discussed? Do you think the White House log would read, Shulman purpose of visit- targeting conservatives for IRS harassment, yah, right... We now know over 88 IRS employees were involved in the targeting of conservative and religious groups. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=how+many+IRS+employees+were+invov...

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 06/01/13 - 09:36 am
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"Ah yes, what indeed. Of
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"Ah yes, what indeed. Of course we're not going to provide you any facts."

So you are asking for facts to back up a statement? What on Earth would motivate someone to give you those facts when you and the other liberals refuse on every occasion to provide facts to back up your statements when requested. I hope you feel my frustration.

faithson
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faithson 06/01/13 - 10:09 am
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Doesn’t it strain believability

let me see.... born in kenya, muslim, socialist, wants to see America fail, anti-christian, anti-isreal, marxist, thug, corrupt. did I miss anything... reminds me of those fringe ya-hoo's who feed at the trough of invective. not my cup of tea.

carcraft
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carcraft 06/01/13 - 10:11 am
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consider this

The IRS had an Inspector General (IG) Audit that found targeting of Conservatives. Now why didn't the head of the IRS use this information when appearing before congress? If the IG were comprehensive all the details would have been wrapped up in a neat little box to give to congress. It really smells fishy here to me. Was there a cover up by the IG?

carcraft
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carcraft 06/01/13 - 10:17 am
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The IRS admitted they did it and who benefited?

This is not a witch hunt and it was a systematic targeting of conservatives, over 500 groups. The axiom is to follow the money and who benefited? The IRS benefit from harassing conservatives? Obama got tough and fired the guy who was resigning. Others involved got promoted. The head of the Department that audited conservatives is now running the IRS administration office of the Affordable Care Act. Boy oh boy that was horrible punishment. The women who blew the whistle is basically on paid vacation after taking the 5th, please oh please punish me like that! The Easter egg guy thinks smart answers are cute...

Young Fred
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Young Fred 06/01/13 - 10:32 am
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Bod, palmetto, faithson, et al...

The fact that you would belittle this issue speaks volumns.

I can only hope you take off the blinders in order to witness the sea change that is about to take place. I do believe we're currently witnessing the proverbial "straw that broke the camel's back"!

faithson
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faithson 06/01/13 - 10:36 am
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smokin' gun

the primary question one must ask is; it this what I want it to be... or is this just what it is... one answer demands more and more accusation and inuendo, the other is patient, waiting for the smoking gun, if one exists at all. One side begins with the attitude that all government has evil intent, the other side begins with the government has a job to do and sometimes it really screws things up.

faithson
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faithson 06/01/13 - 10:42 am
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belittle

benifit of the doubt seems like a more reasonable assersion. as to the straw... only wishes and hopes by those who have spent 5 years now searching every knook and cranny to dispoil this administration.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 06/01/13 - 11:21 am
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Let's see the IG discovered

Let's see the IG discovered the problem, the IRS planted a question so they could say they were on top of it, the IRS administrator took the 5th so she wouldn't incriminate herself criminally. I mean, goodness, what more is needed?

Young Fred
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Young Fred 06/01/13 - 11:29 am
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faithson, oh faithson -

If "every knook and cranny" of this administration were searched, the revelations would end-up being a text-book example of corrupt and disgraceful governing.

It must be awfully taxing to wake up each day and have to face news of the latest travisty perpatrated by this president and his administration! I admire your creativeness. You should consider a career as a defense attorney.

carcraft
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carcraft 06/01/13 - 12:17 pm
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I will give this

I will give this administration the benefit of the doubt, I read Krauthamer today. Perhaps this is another case of the Dorothy Doctrine so artfully presented by Krauthamer. Obama my insulate himself from bad news or reality so he doesn't have to deal with it! That would be why Obama could truthfully say he found out about when we did. Either way it speaks poorly of his administration. Then again it may just be another example of corruption the Chicago way!

DanK
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DanK 06/01/13 - 12:44 pm
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Why not?

1. The IRS specifically looked at liberal groups during the Bush administration. Where was the screaming and yelling by Republicans then? Uh, I guess it was okay to target liberal groups.
2. The head of the IRS did not go to the White House more than 150 times. He went exactly 11 times. The number is totally bogus.
3. Would you say that it would be reasonable for the IRS to try to identify groups or individuals that have intentionally attempted to deceive the IRS, underpay on taxes, or evade taxes? If so, why shouldn't they look at all groups and individuals that espouse doing exactly that? Should the IRS intentionally avoid looking at any groups or individuals just for political reasons?
4. If you have done nothing wrong, then you have nothing to fear. Isn't that the mantra of the right in their support of warrantless wiretapping, spying on Americans, strip searches and all the other incursions on the rights of Americans?

carcraft
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carcraft 06/01/13 - 01:00 pm
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I looked up the IRS and

I looked up the IRS and liberal groups, a couple of Churhes and The NAACP. Over 500 conservative groups. I will say it was wrong under Bush and Bush's actions don't vindicate the IRS under Obama. The other issue is that the IRS knew about it in June of 2012 and did NOTHING!

KSL
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KSL 06/01/13 - 02:29 pm
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Some here do continue to mis

Some here do continue to miss the point. The IRS admitted to wrong doing. Now that is a fact.

carcraft
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carcraft 06/01/13 - 02:17 pm
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There is a philosophical problem

KSL this really comes down to a philosophical problem. Liberal progressives want a BIG GOVERNMENT nanny state . This IRS episode exposes the risks of government powers and why the constitution limited federal power. In order to avoid cognitive dissonance the liberal progressives have to under mine the validity of the problem. There are two evident strategies, 1) It's no big deal,: 2) Bush did it and it is normal government operations and so it isn't that big a deal. This then negates the problems inherent in big government.

Brad Owens
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Brad Owens 06/01/13 - 03:02 pm
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DanK... here's some facts.

1.) The IRS did not "specifically looked at liberal groups during the Bush administration" that sir is a lie. What they did do was investigate claims of wrongdoing by groups that were already granted tax exempt status. They did not issue orders to look for specific names or types of organizations and the investigations included groups from the Christian right. So you either have no idea what you are talking about, you are parroting incorrect talking points or you are spinning lies to suit your political point of view.

2.) You are just wrong, he did go and it is your number of 11 that is an outright lie. So you either have no idea what you are talking about, you are parroting incorrect talking points or you are spinning lies to suit your political point of view.

3.) yes, and that is EXACTLY what happened during the Bush period you were talking about in your point number one, but that is not in any way what happened here with the IRS and Obama's administration. These were groups trying to register as tax exempt and were delayed so they would not be able to impact the election that year. It was deliberate, targeted a specific type of group (conservatives and patriots on the right) based on POLITICS only and is despicable.

4.) I find that a VERY hypocritical point being that the lady had to plead the 5th instead of telling the truth about her criminal actions in all this.

I know that you all who worship Obama want to act like this is no big deal, but this is exactly the type of abuse by government that must not be tolerated. The people responsible MUST go to jail and we must demand the IRS be held accountable with some sort of independent organization with oversight put in place.

This is non-partisan, this is a 1st Amendment issue which affects us all.

You all will regret not standing up for what's right because of your politics.

Why are we in this basket, where are we going and why is it so hot in here?

Brad

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Fiat_Lux 06/01/13 - 03:33 pm
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It's real hard to report the facts about this

when the parties involved take the 5th and otherwise stonewall the process completely while under oath.

And so far, it's working for them. Nobody in the loyal opposition appears to have the intestinal fortitude--or perhaps a genuine pair large enough--to do something about it.

Aren't we lucky! So much openness and integrity in the executive branch of this administration! It's an example that will be held up as instructive for generations to come.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 06/01/13 - 03:45 pm
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It would appear that from

It would appear that from such poor record keeping no one knows actually how many times Mr. Shulman went to the White House. On record it indicates he arrived on 11 occasions but they only have recorded only 6 times leaving? Shame, Shame, Shame...someone is clocking in but not clocking out.

So if those records are invalid, how do we really know how many times Mr. Shulman visited and for what purpose. Maybe faithson, DanK, or better yet BOD, since he posted the link, would like to expound on this fact? You seem pretty sure that he didn't visit more than 11 times......how can you be so sure?

freeradical
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freeradical 06/01/13 - 08:13 pm
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When it comes to the IRS

When it comes to the IRS control over life & death Obamacare

death panel decisions you can be sure of the same fuzzy puddin headed

answers will be applied liberally .

dichotomy
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dichotomy 06/01/13 - 10:39 pm
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"the other is patient,

"the other is patient, waiting for the smoking gun,"

Lying to Congress and pleading the 5th IS the smoking gun.

and DanK......Shulman was not required to sign in when he was invited. He was pre-cleared. Just because he only signed in 11 times does not mean he only went 11 times.

The fact is they did it and they admitted it. The fact is that NO low level IRS employee came up with this plan. The fact is that somebody told the IRS to do this and it had to have come from very high places. The fact is that this impacted the outcome of a presidential election.

fedex227
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fedex227 06/01/13 - 11:14 pm
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Perhaps the President of the United States ...
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and the former head of the IRS were engaged in some type of sordid homosexual affair? Now in no way am I implying that this is true and I have absolutely no facts to back that up other than the amount of visits made by the former IRS Commissioner to the White House. I'm just speculating. In support of this arguement I'd only quote the ACES, "What, aside from the annual Easter Egg Roll, could interest the White House so much about the workings of the IRS?" Personally I don't think it's true, I'm just throwing it out there.

How was that ACES, am I learning?

KSL
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KSL 06/01/13 - 11:20 pm
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Hey, Fed

I don't care how many times he visited. The point is, the IRS did wrong and they admitted it.

Do you think low level employees did this on their own?

Do you think it had no effect on the way some people voted?

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