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The following is a stark statement of fact, not opinion:

The Obama administration has been spying on journalists and using the government to impede, if not punish, its conservative opponents.

That’s not open to question or interpretation, either. It’s incontrovertible now.

The only questions are 1) how extensive are the blatant abuses of power, 2) how far up the chain they go and 3) what are we going to do about it?

The ominous and un-American targeting of conservative groups and individuals by the IRS, in particular, is a fact that was well known within the administration prior to last year’s presidential election.

We’re supposed to believe that top Treasury and White House officials knew about it, and never said a word to a president that was in the midst of a close and crucial election. Right.

In addition, if the scandal had been known by the public, the election outcome surely would’ve been different.

We also now know that the Obama Justice Department secretly obtained a wide swath of phone records from the Associated Press and Fox News, in a carpet bombing of privacy and press freedom.

It was reported late last week that Attorney General Eric Holder personally approved the spying on a Fox News reporter and the reporter’s parents..

“They traced the timing of his calls with a State Department security adviser ... They obtained a search warrant for the reporter’s personal e-mails,” the Washington Post reported.

The problem with the IRS and Department of Justice scandals – the IRS one in particular – is that they’re almost becoming too big to comprehend. In the IRS scandal, as many as 500 groups and individuals may have been targeted for delays, harassment and audits – some for the mere act of publicly supporting Mitt Romney for president in 2012.

Other groups and individuals have been targeted for punishing IRS treatment for being religious or for touting the Constitution.

If it’s not a crime, punishable by long prison terms, to use the tax code to harass and intimidate groups and individuals based on their political or religious beliefs, it needs to be.

It’s an interesting contrast: This president comes from a background of “community organizing” for liberal causes; yet, his administration has systematically attempted to prevent conservatives from organizing – delaying their applications for nonprofit status with onerous and arbitrary – sometimes ludicrous – requirements for information, including, in one case, a book report.

These tactics were clearly designed to demoralize conservatives and reduce their ability to raise funds and organize in advance of the election.

These actions are something out of the Iron Curtain, or a banana republic – where the method of governing is to destroy your opposition and control the media.

It strains credulity not to believe such widespread and nefarious actions were directed at a very high level.

This is one reason why we have a two-party system – so one can act as a check on the other. Republicans in Congress need to get to the bottom of these things, particularly the IRS scandal. Let’s hear from as many victims as possible. We haven’t begun to hear all that has gone on.

Meanwhile, we urge any IRS employees with knowledge of this wrongdoing to come forward and willingly share what they know. They need to understand that they serve this country, not any particular leaders.

A new wave of patriotism and citizenship needs to wash over the IRS.

For that matter, that sense of patriotism and citizenship needs to splash the rest of the country in the face.

What kind of country do you want for you and your children? One in which they will be punished for their beliefs?

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faithson
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faithson 05/27/13 - 11:21 pm
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yep, emailed a note to a recently retired employee

the most cogent answer I have heard. Being that it does not square with all this bombastic retoric of this editoral and the conservative noise machine of the RNC, I will have to keep it to myself... and KNOW that this goose chase is only a tickling of the hatemongers who would rather find something wrong with ANYTHING from the otherside, than set back and let the evidence itself give us the answers. I do find a certain amount of infered sedition in this editorial. Journalists have a responsibility, and inciting the vulgar is evil. This editorial sounds like it was written after after a few libations while listening to rush limbaugh. peace and good to all.

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Chris 232 05/28/13 - 12:11 am
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Keep up the great work. Your hateful rhetoric and Rush/Beck blovations is what will soon drive the GOP and conservatives to extinction. Do think you can speed the process up a bit by bringing back Anne Colture and giving more space to the Bronze Age iterations of Cal Thomas? Come on, you know you miss them.

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Bodhisattva 05/28/13 - 03:36 am
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Ironic and humorous

They might as well have had giant flashing neon signs that said, " We're really political organizations and don't qualify as a tax exempt group under this classification." Hundreds coming in at the same time? No red flags there. Now it's out in the open that political activity as a primary activity is banned, and all of these groups will now get kicked off, have to refile under a proper classification, pay any back taxes that are due, and best of all, release the names of their donors and the amounts they've donated. The IRS was doing their job of checking whether groups qualified. The Tea Partiers whined about them doing their jobs and now have ruined the party for everyone.

As to James Rosen and Fox News. From the Chronicle 7/31/2010, "The federal government long ago made it clear it would not secure the nation's borders. And now, it appears treason is no longer going to be considered a crime....When did traitors stop being traitors? Example: What should happen to someone who leaks or divulges classified Department of Defense information during wartime -- with the express intent of harming that war effort? Should that person or persons not be tried as traitors or spies?"

That's about Bradley Manning and the possession and release of classified documents in WikiLeaks. James Rosen of Fox News only appears at this point to have been in the possession and to have released one piece of classified information. Is it like a Mulligan? Do you get to release one piece of classified information before you become a traitor, or has the Chronicle changed its opinion on the whole home grown terror thing? Also, the Chronicle claimed Janet Reno committed treason for not issuing enough warrants, praised Bush for the policy of searches and wiretaps without warrants, and yet Rosen's info was obtained with a legal search warrant. How unique. So it gets confusing: Is the traitor the person who issued the legal and Constitutional search warrant or the person who was in possession of and released classified information? If Janet Reno was still Attorney General and didn't issue a search warrant, would both she AND Rosen be traitors? The way the Chronicle changes its position depending on the party in control makes it very hard to follow. OK, Obama President, legal, Constitutional warrant that found journalist in possession of and had released classified information-bad. Journalist that had possession of and leaked classified information-good. If Republican is President, reverse. Got it.

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Riverman1 05/28/13 - 03:49 am
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Where the Libations Went

Faithson, so you are a vulgar, treasonous, drunk if you question the Obama administration’s attack on the press? You should be quiet and let Obama’s Attorney General (who ordered the spying) determine what’s to be done? Yep, I see where the few libations went last night with that kind of reasoning.

What actually should be done is what Congressman Trey Goudy of SC said. Start an investigation at the bottom, asking who told you to do this and move up the ladder. Of course the administration doesn’t want to do this with Benghazi, the IRS or spying on the press.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 05/28/13 - 03:54 am
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Bod, refresh my memory

Bod, refresh my memory. Tell me what reporters the Bush administration tapped the emails and phone records of.

carcraft
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carcraft 05/28/13 - 04:23 am
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Bod misses three very big

Bod misses three very big points in this , but why not it is so easy to obfuscate.
1) THE IRS ADDMITED THEY DID IT!
2) Max Baucus, Senate Finance Chairman and DEMOCRAT from Montana is very upset by it as are several other Democratic Senators, some even Black!
3) Eventually many of these groups got their tax exempt status, it was just delayed and instead of being able to launch opposition to the politics the TEA Party didn't like the found they had to oppose the IRS first. If these organizations didn't qualify for tax exempt status why were they eventually granted that status?

carcraft
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carcraft 05/28/13 - 04:28 am
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BOD misses a very big point

BOD misses a very big point as mentioned in Mother Jones who blasted Obama over the leaks and his attacks on reporters and leakers. When it is a good leak Obama likes it, when it is a bad leak the full weight of the government comes down. Obama has prosecuted more leakers, than all other prior prosecutions combined including the Pentagon leaks! Manning was active duty military and under oath to protect the information in his position. Manning did it because he was gay and felt disenfranchised!

carcraft
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carcraft 05/28/13 - 04:31 am
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BOD also forgets,

BOD also forgets, conveniently, ACORN flooding registration offices with thousands upon thousands of names to register for elections, including Mickey and Mini Mouse several times , whole phone books etc. Gee if local registration offices can handle that, why can't the IRS?

carcraft
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carcraft 05/28/13 - 04:35 am
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One last point missed

Because of the unique Constitutional position of the press there is a protocol for dealing with this sort of thing. The Obama White House and Justice Department completely ignored that protocol..

ymnbde
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ymnbde 05/28/13 - 05:10 am
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the strongest Ajax and the fastest pasting political hacks

can't clean this administration, the least "transparent" in history
"In addition, if the scandal had been known by the public, the election outcome surely would’ve been different."
If there was no scandal, O would be on the former Pres circuit with Jimmy Carter.
this election was stolen. This scandal was purposely planned and executed due to the Tea Party being partly responsible for Republican victory in the prior election.
When they demonize Republicans, it isn't just rhetoric, it's marching orders.
The IRS did what they were told.
This administration is rotten to its very core.

allhans
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allhans 05/28/13 - 05:46 am
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Those who believe that

Those who believe that suppressing the conservative vote is a good thing has to be pulling our leg. That spying on a reporter rather than spying on the official doing the leaking is the right way to go. That breaking a long tradition of leaving no man behind as in Benghazi is okay, after all it is the Obama administration.....
No way can anyone think that hackneyed.

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Bodhisattva 05/28/13 - 05:55 am
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Brian Ross, Richard Esposito,

Brian Ross, Richard Esposito, James Risen.
carcraft forgets that names likes Mickey and Minnie Mouse were tossed and never placed on voters rolls for obvious reasons and were written on registration forms by clowns trying to be smart you know whats or people deliberately putting fake names so later they can make claims like car and say, "See, they were trying to register Mickey Mouse." Legally, you've got to take the registration form. Nice try at the usual stuff you've only mentioned about a thousand freakin' times here. Throw in a Solyndra or Soros or Fiskar and get 'em out of the way. They never relate to the conversation anyway, so let's get 'em over with.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 05/28/13 - 06:04 am
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"Brian Ross, Richard
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"Brian Ross, Richard Esposito, James Risen.
carcraft forgets that names likes Mickey and Minnie Mouse were tossed and never placed on voters rolls for obvious reasons and were written on registration forms by clowns trying to be smart you know whats or people deliberately putting fake names so later they can make claims like car and say, "See, they were trying to register Mickey Mouse.""

Care to back up that with some proof? I seriously doubt it. And I find it very ironic that you made such a statement and followed it immediately with statements blasting someone for not being relevant to the conversation! Braw haw haw!

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nocnoc 05/28/13 - 06:43 am
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Every latest "I did not know"

Every latest "I did not know" or invoking of Executive Privilege only strengthens my belief we have reached a privet point of a growing government fearful of it citizenry.

To date to recap a few violations of the constitution

Fast n Furious (aimed at causing major problems to make gun control laws easier to pass. - Investigation stopped by Executive Privilege

Obamacare - the healthcare bill that was never read or reviewed ramrodded through congress - to cover 15 million un-insured . A bill that had to bribe several congressmen to pass. A bill that the GAO says will cost 3x than what we were promised by the liberals. A bill that does not cover the 15 million plus and another 45 million. A Bil that will cover illegals at taxpayer expense. A bill that has cut the hours of millions of Americans and caused layoffs nationwide. - Executive Privileges were again was invoked

FBI (DOJ) Bugging Congressional offices - Executive Privilege.

FBI Bugging and wiretapping NEWS rooms and agencies. Eric Holder the DOJ head guy got (Executive Privilege)

Now the DOJ is to investigate FBI and the IRS problems Both controlled by the Executive appointees.

IRS threaten and harass opposing political groups - Executive appointees.

Dept of Homeland Security purchasing or 6000's Riot control vehicles - During a Budget freeze?

Dept of Homeland Security purchasing now about 2.8 BILLION rounds of civilian caliber Ammo 22 , 32, 38, 357, 9mm, 40 cal, 10mm, 30/30 30/06 308, 7mm etc... With key sources acknowledging it is being done to dry up civilian availability. All During a Budget freeze?

Somewhere between 1962 and the 1982s our Liberal society took a major turn. The originally well intentioned Liberal causes have been CO-Opted by a Anti-American Socialist movement.

The Far Left has now come to resemble the Far Right of the 1950's in its strong handed we know best methods of power grabbing and control.

In Fact a key Obama Administration Director was on the Sunday TV news shows this weekend and said more less.
....when the Government knows best we have every right to do what we want, for the good of the people.

He did not use the word Country, he used the Socialist phrase.
"The GOOD of the People."

This Administration is nothing more than a

Nixon in a Hoodie

Bizkit
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Bizkit 05/28/13 - 08:34 am
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What about all the leaks

What about all the leaks during Obama's first four years-no investigation of those leaks. Oh I forgot all were positive for the president. The president is transparent alright. Car is correct-they all admit guilt-that isn't of issue. So Faith and Bod are just completely lost to reality because they think there is some issue of IRS errors. I do agree these organizations are political so why would MoveOn receive this when they are the most political. I think there needs to be a criminal investigation of MoveON because they have been receiving illegal benefits. The lack of logic with progressives is astounding-even against their own Dem party who finds this IRS scandal outrageous.

carcraft
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carcraft 05/28/13 - 08:44 am
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It really doesn't matter what YOU think!

The IRS eventually granted tax free status to most of these groups so then the question has to come up, was the IRS wrong in refusing and harrasing the partioners intially or was the IRS wrong in granting them tax free status? Bod and Faithson can't have it both ways!

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Bizkit 05/28/13 - 08:47 am
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I don't remember Robert Novak

I don't remember Robert Novak going to prison for breaking the law in the Valerie Plame affair???? In true progressive fashion-this supports that the effort to out any AP or Fox reporter is a waste of time anyways.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 05/28/13 - 10:00 am
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I think it is transparent

I think it is transparent that Obama could care less about leaks but it is about how he detest the "free" press. Note how he mostly ignores the WH press corp. This isn't an attack on leak of secrets-what has this president done about China stealing all our technology or other major leaks. No it is about bullying and suppressing the free press. It isn't illegal to talk to the press, the leak is a govt employee, so shouldn't the investigation target govt employees. CIA and FBI have gone to prison before for leaking info. The wrong end of the goose to investigate in my opinion.

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Riverman1 05/28/13 - 09:19 am
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Bod

Brian Ross, Richard Esposito, James Risen. From what I read their phone records, not actual calls, were probably obtained by the government starting under Bush and continued under Obama. I saw nothing about emails. So Bod is partially right on that point.

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RMSHEFF 05/28/13 - 09:55 am
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One thing is very clear. With

One thing is very clear. With Obama "everything" is political and he will use everything at his disposal including the IRS, EPA, OSHA and DOJ as a political tool to destroy his opponents. We saw this when he ran for the state senate in Illinois when confidential divorce records of his opponent somehow surfaced causing him to withdraw from the race. Chicago politics has come to Washington DC. If these scandals are found to reach the oval office I wonder if Obama will put the country above his self interest and resign as Nixon did or will he drag the country down with him?

Bizkit
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Bizkit 05/28/13 - 10:11 am
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True Riverman because of the

True Riverman because of the Patriot Act the govt has been legally spying on Americans for years now, but the press should be a different issue because it basically serves to balance govt.

allhans
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allhans 05/28/13 - 12:03 pm
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Didn't I hear just today that

Didn't I hear just today that the Wash Post had obtained a classified finding of other countries having access to our weapons files...There HAD to be a leak somewhere....

myfather15
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myfather15 05/28/13 - 12:52 pm
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@Bodhisattva

Bradley Manning was an active duty member of the military with top secret status, who release classified information. James Rosen is a CIVILIAN Journalist; with no legal obligation besides morality, to keep secret information he obtains. If there was a "leak" of information in the Rosen scandal, it didn't come from Rosen. It was WHOEVER leaked the information TO ROSEN. Rosen CAN NOT be held treasonist, for obtaining information from someone else. The person that leaked the information is the ONLY one who could considered treasonist, if they had top secret status and leaked information.

Are we to start prosecuting JOURNALISTS for doing their jobs and questioning people? It's not the questions that are asked; it's the answers which are controversial. It's my understanding the government was seeking Rosen's emails; in order to determine WHO was giving him the information; not investigating Rosen himself. So you're pathetic attempt at saying Rosen should be consider treasonist; is uninformed at best; extremely bias at worst.

myfather15
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myfather15 05/28/13 - 01:02 pm
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Got it?

No, but have YOU got it? Again; if Rosen obtained information which he wasn't SUPPOSED to get and release that information, he commited a moral violation of journalistic integrity. If Janet Reno or Eric Holder as active US Attorney Generals who have TOP SECRET clearance; release classified information, they are committing a CRIME. SHOULD James Rosen release classified information which could hurt the Country? No, of course not; but did he commit a CRIME by doing so? Absolutely NOT. Got it?

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Fiat_Lux 05/28/13 - 01:44 pm
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@RMSHEFF

re: If these scandals are found to reach the oval office I wonder if Obama will put the country above his self interest and resign as Nixon did or will he drag the country down with him?

Surely you already know the answer to this. There is nothing more important to Obummer than, well, Obummer. The rest of the country can go to hell--Oh, wait!

That's been his intention all along.

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faithson 05/28/13 - 01:48 pm
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crime

crime, now here is the knub of the question. Is one's interpretation of events that a crime has occured, out weighted by the actual investigation and evidence thereof that may not be congruent with one's interpretation thereof. Some think the 'jail report' documents criminals. A criminal is convicted in a court of law by due proccess. would appreciate if some would lay off the 'criminal president', for sure critize and denagrate, but lets at least stay above board on the acuzations that our President IS a criminal.

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Humble Angela 05/28/13 - 02:00 pm
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One can be a criminal without
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One can be a criminal without being convicted. If I commit a crime, and I'm never caught...guess what....I'm still a criminal...just not a convicted one.

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KSL 05/28/13 - 02:16 pm
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faith

You might wamt to check out the first defintion of criminal here.

http://law.yourdictionary.com/criminal

faithson
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faithson 05/28/13 - 02:25 pm
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thanks ksl

One who has committed a crime.
One who has been convicted of a crime.

In the case of the President of the United States, I prefer the second definition before calling him a criminal. I understand those who wish to use the first definition because in THEIR eyes a crime has been committed. For the sake of our beloved country, I give deference to due process over my own intuition when it comes to our President. Promise I gave GW the same consideration.

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Darby 05/28/13 - 03:01 pm
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Bod repeats the lie that

that "Rosen's info was obtained with a legal search warrant." and expects us to take it at face value.

Of course it was not legal, but if OzBama gets his way, the world will never know the truth. He has assigned the man who issued the illegal warrant (Holder) to conduct an investigation of himself and then report his findings.

That is akin to asking John Wayne Gacy to prosecute the murder case against himself and then step into the jury box and render a verdict.

We have, for the first time in our nation's history, a criminal administration being propped up by a fawning and subservient media.

Without an unbiased media, the Constitution will not survive. It's a liberal's dream come true.

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