Shouldn't we stand with them?

Group of black activists speak with uncommon clarity on abortion

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How many targeted killings of children would it take before it’d become national news? Before there would be protests and condemnations? Before there would be demands for official action?

Not too many, as you can imagine.

And yet, abortion is a plague in black America that hardly anyone will talk about.

The aftermath of abortionist Kermit Gosnell’s grisly infanticide case is an apt time to bring it up.

We stand with the group of black pastors and columnist Star Parker who recently spoke out at a national press conference against the abortion industry’s unusual presence in minority communities and its often unregulated practices.

Pastor Stephen Broden, founder of Fair Park Bible Fellowship in Dallas, Texas, said the government is slow to regulate the abortion industry “because they operate primarily in the black community and among poor people. As many as 75 percent of these clinics are located in our community.”

A Chicago Sun-Times story reported that while blacks comprise “13 percent of the U.S. population, they accounted for 36.5 percent of abortions.”

The Rev. Ceasar LeFlore of Chicago decried a “government that continues to turn a blind eye and exhibits a mind-boggling indifference to the brutal, unrestrained and unregulated barbaric practices” of the abortion industry.

Government officials in the past have called for abortion to be safe, rare and legal. The only one of those three goals that has been achieved, LeFlore said, is “legal.”

The group maintains that there are other Gosnells out there, and that women are dying as a result. They noted the case of one in Chicago named Tonya Reaves, an engaged woman who died after an abortion last July.

Gosnell, a Philadelphia abortionist, was recently convicted of three counts of first-degree murder for killing babies born alive in botched abortions. A patient also was among those who died. His clinic had gone uninspected for years. It’s likely such neglect of abortion clinics isn’t rare. Liberals have made such clinics sacrosanct.

LeFlore said Illinois law doesn’t require inspections by the state department of public health.

“This lack of oversight is unconscionable,” LeFlore argued.

Broden lamented that some have “convinced our women that the only answer to unintended pregnancies is to murder their babies and to depopulate our community.”

“Shut down these houses of horror now,” he demanded.

At the very least, federal and state officials should put the highest priority on cracking down on unsafe abortion clinics. Is anyone even keeping track of the numbers of women who die in them?

But whereas the Sandy Hook slaughter grabbed national headlines and sustained debate, the Gosnell case was painfully slow to grab attention and quickly disappeared from the news.

Where is the enduring outrage over what happened in Philadelphia? Where is the national will to protect women from unsafe abortions? Democrats concocted a phony-baloney “war on women” in last year’s election campaign because free contraceptives weren’t available enough. Well, here’s a case in which women are actually dying. Where’s the chatter about that?

We stand with the black pastors who joined Star Parker to call on the nation to pay attention to this outrage and to protect women and children.

They may be being ignored in the media. But they couldn’t be more right.

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Bodhisattva
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Bodhisattva 05/27/13 - 06:18 am
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Todays topic: A red herring
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Contraceptive use:
Whites-90.5%
Blacks-80.2% (CDC)

Unplanned pregnancies in twenty-something year old population
White-40%
Black-29%

Pregnancy rate 15-19 year old
White-9.06%
Black-21.73%

Just a few figures to give a little more accurate view. How could anyone possible think that someone who would be single, in poverty or teetering on the edge, possibly trying to get an education, or struggling at low paying job (what right wingers like to call "entry level" but in reality are just "jobs"), maybe has a car and trying to keep up payment or struggling to keep it running (none of that decent socialist mass transit here in the South) would possibly think about having an abortion? How many votes against medical care? You don't even want people to have that. Raise the minimum wage? Heck no. Ban abortions and force some girl to end up having a baby in the streets so you can arrest her for child endangerment. You don't give a darn about improving the schools (other than to suck the money out and a few of the top student to create private schools and let the inner city ones crumble). You don't care if there's decent jobs and decent wages, heck we're a "right to work state", except none of the rights go to the worker, You don't care about affordable housing, you'll fight tooth and nail to keep it out. You just get on your high and mighty horse and or look down from the ivory tower and blast abortion. You act like it's a decision like "what's for supper" for these girl's and women. When the right wing starts showing any concern for people once they drop, maybe, and only maybe, then will I start to believe that they might be sincere and really have a concern. Until then, keep government out of women's vaginas just like you claim to want it off people's backs.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 05/27/13 - 06:42 am
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If someone who would be

If someone who would be single, in poverty or teetering on the edge, possibly trying to get an education, or struggling at low paying job, maybe has a car and trying to keep up payment or struggling to keep it running, is responsible enough to get free birth control from a health department, wouldn't end up becoming pregnant and in need of an abortion.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 05/27/13 - 06:49 am
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"When the right wing starts

"When the right wing starts showing any concern for people" This statement reminds me of the old saying "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink"

There are hundreds of programs (and I mean hundreds) for people who are struggling in life. There are those who use them to get back on their feet and make a better life for themselves and then there are those who use them in order to make them their life.

Bodhisattva
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Bodhisattva 05/27/13 - 07:50 am
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Hundreds upon hundreds. Help?
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Hundreds upon hundreds. Help? Some food? A little help with the power bill? The doctors and hospital might charge a few thousand as well. What if you're out of work a few months? Even then, what about the slave wages in the country? Back to the old coal mine with unaffordable child care and $7.50 an hour? Not in one state in the union can you afford two bedroom apartment on a minimum wage job. Let me clarify, not just afford, if you spend your entire paycheck on just rent. GDP at records, corporate profits at records, stock market at records, all of the money kept at the top. This has become a feudal system. We used to be in it together. Now those at the top take it all, and gripe about having to pay taxes on the lions share of the money. 20x-40x of what the average worker made isn't enough any more. Now it has to be 200x, even 400x the workers' pay. Add that to increased productivity so the workers are doing the work that 2 or 3 people used to do for the same or even less money. It's not a workable system and eventually it'll come crumbling down. The top 400 people have more money than bottom 60% of American households. Unless wealth in the country is spread into more of a bell and not a "\" we won't survive for long. I can't understand why anyone has a child.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 05/27/13 - 08:10 am
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My wife lived in overt

My wife lived in overt poverty and is now a 1%. She worked hard, got an education (she paid for), and made it. She chose a career that led to that success. I actually have three higher degrees (more educated) and make in a year what she makes in about a month or two. I chose poorly with my career. Who to blame-ghost busters. I think not. We make our bed now lay in it. Actually more African-americans get pregnant and of those a fewer percentage have abortions compared to other ethnicities. The Hispanic abortion rate is like 15% about half of whites or blacks. Abortion knows no socioeconomic boundaries. So why all the talk of poverty and social justice (which is a load of crap). People with poor means have plenty of opportunity for an education-look at Paine college-over 80%pell and over 90% some other support. The school receives Title III funds, etc. etc. etc. So people can choose to work their way out of poverty. Just like abortion it is a "choice".

curly123053
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curly123053 05/27/13 - 08:12 am
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Baby Euthanizations is All It Is!!

An abortion clinic is no different than a baby euthanization center. That is what I have started calling the Planned Parenthood Centers. I wonder how many Planned Parenthood Baby Euthanization Centers are located in the CSRA. I tweeted that same question last night and got threats when that tweet uploaded to my FB page. But, facts are facts, it's the same exact thing as a baby euthanization center.I used to work in a local county animal control shelter and they euthanized dozens of unwanted animals daily. Planned Parenthood euthanizes babies for the same reason. It's really sad that humans are euthanized in this country as though they were unwanted animals.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 05/27/13 - 08:18 am
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Haa the ole Dem argument that

Haa the ole Dem argument that poverty isn't your fault but you were cheated. Which is a myth. The opportunity in America is great-look at other nationalities African, European, Asian, that come this country and succeed-their children are better off than they in most cases. The African students usually make straight A's compared to local minority African-American students who often takes the class two to three times to pass. A culture of poverty is maintained and propagated by the Dem party for purely political reasons of having an under educated population they can exploit. The Dems canard that African-americans are being exploited is true but by them.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 05/27/13 - 08:34 am
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Why are people so immoral and

Why are people so immoral and corrupt they feel vindicated by stealing from one who worked and earned it to give to another who did nothing. Perverse. Petty jealousy, and envy. Wealth redistribution will not address poverty. Studies have shown that often poor people who have a sudden increase in wealth blow it and end up impoverished again. Poor people don't manage their money. Perhaps there is a reason they are impoverished. People keep demonizing people who played the game fair and square and won. It would be like taking Gold medals from Olympians. Attack the people who are productive and drive our economy and pay for govt services, lower their productivity, to give to an unproductive group that will likely choose to continue to be unproductive.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 05/27/13 - 08:37 am
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I agree the present system is

I agree the present system is unsustainable but the problem is not with the productive rich but the unproductive poor. The weight of maintaining all the poor is an economic burden that can't be sustained. We need incentives for people to leave poverty, work, and pay taxes.

itsanotherday1
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itsanotherday1 05/27/13 - 08:47 am
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Bod does make a good point

Bod does make a good point about concentration of wealth at the top being unhealthy for society. It causes a lot of resentment from those legitimately struggling to make ends meet, and will eventually lead to social unrest at some point if the trend continues.

That said, I don't know how to deal with that since I am strongly capitalist, and believe the opportunity for success is there for anyone willing to put forth the effort. The vast majority of people trapped in low income situations are so because of their own poor decisions, not the guy making $100M/ year.

itsanotherday1
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itsanotherday1 05/27/13 - 08:50 am
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Back to the subject

If we spent as much time, money, and effort on preventing pregnancy as we do ending it; abortion would be rare, safe, and legal.

RMSHEFF
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RMSHEFF 05/27/13 - 08:52 am
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I wish Bod could spend a

I wish Bod could spend a little time in a third world country and see what real poverty looks like ! Most of the rest of the world would give their right arm to live in the "hell" hole he has been describing as America.

itsanotherday1
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itsanotherday1 05/27/13 - 08:57 am
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Bizkit

To paraphrase something Boortz once said; " If we redistributed every dollar of wealth equally among all Americans, in 10 years the former wealthy would be wealthy again, and the former poor would be poor again. " People are at their station for a reason.

Our recent history is littered with broke lottery winners, broke former millionaire athletes, and other broke people who acquired instant wealth then squandered it.

RMSHEFF
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RMSHEFF 05/27/13 - 09:11 am
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Wealth and opportunity are

Wealth and opportunity are not the problem. There are plenty of both in America. Granted Obama wants to end both. Bad choices fueled by low IQ most often lead to poverty. Intelligence is largely inherited and this one reason we have generational poverty as children learn from their parents. Of course, drug use and other destructive behavior contribute to poverty.
"The poor will alway be among us but " The major driver of crime and poverty is the break up of the family. This of course, we can lay entirely at the feet of the liberal. They created this problem and then blame us for not fixing it.

RMSHEFF
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RMSHEFF 05/27/13 - 09:16 am
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The Bible has "the" answer.

The Bible has "the" answer. No sex outside of marriage. Marriage is for life. Problem solved.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 05/27/13 - 09:19 am
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I find it inspiring that I

I find it inspiring that I could possibly-one day- be as wealthy as Jobs, Gates, Buffet, etc. A simple idea or invention can make that possible, active and wise investments (thar's cold in thar hills of the stock market), change careers into something more lucrative, etc. etc. It makes the game worth playing in a competitive biological sense - that competition is what drives our success. We are becoming a lazy society too-no work ethic. I enjoy work whether I'm paid or not-it is what has driven my life and keeps me healthy so I can enjoy my past time. If I had the wealth of Gates I would still work the same and likely mow my own yard, etc. I'd just have less financial worries to ponder as I work , and I'd have much more to give to my favorite causes or people in need. Sounds good but gosh a lot of work to maintain all that wealth-it flitters away fast if you don't keep it coming. LOL

ymnbde
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ymnbde 05/27/13 - 09:22 am
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there's just no polite way to kill a baby

and the left, represented today by bod, know that
so (he) quickly changed the topic to the gross unfairness of some people having enough, and some people having more
He can't defend killing a baby, because there's just no polite way to do that
and economics by Marx, or more accurately, economics by jealousy, isn't a good way to prevent abortion, either.
Not more equality, but moral equality, is a good way to prevent abortion.
Taking responsibility for one's own free will is a good way to prevent abortion.
But when there is a life within a life, that will is shared, not free.
It is paid for by a dead baby.

faithson
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faithson 05/27/13 - 09:24 am
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simplistic solutions....

simple, just don't have sex... ever tell your dog or cat that one !!! gettin' about the same results with people these days. Now what do we do to our pets... yes, that is one way to look at the problem. Oh, yea, can't do that with people... or can we ?

Truth Matters
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Truth Matters 05/27/13 - 09:25 am
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Black Activists speak

To make a point of how the ACES cherry picks when to laud issues in the interest of some groups, I am happy to read that the ACES gives credibility to the voices of "Black Activists." Please support and listen to them when they sound the Clarion call for the GOP to stop wasting MILLIONS of taxpayers' money by holding votes against the ACA (last count I heard was $50,000,000 for the 36 votes) so Tea Party members can be on the record. And will you support "Black Activists" who raise concerns about red states trying to keep certain demographics from voting.

For the record, as an adoptive parent, I oppose abortion.

Ms.Anthrope
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Ms.Anthrope 05/27/13 - 09:27 am
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huh???
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this poster stated:
""The poor will alway(sic) be among us but " The major driver of crime and poverty is the break up of the family. This of course, we can lay entirely at the feet of the liberal. They created this problem and then blame us for not fixing it."
what does that mean?

RMSHEFF
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RMSHEFF 05/27/13 - 09:53 am
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There will always be some

There will always be some that have more than others in every society. The poor in this country would be considered the wealthy in most third world countries. In my opinion "real" poverty exist in many African countries. The poor in America have luxuries that most of the rest of the world only dream about.

The Liberal are to blame for the break up of the family unit in the lower Socio-economic classes through the modern welfare system which eliminates the need for a two parent family. Much research has been done on this subject. The state become the partner for the mother in economic terms eliminating the necessity of a father. It is a fact that intact families are rarely in poverty. Just look at the out of wedlock birth rate in the black community starting in the 1920's. You will see a spike in this rate after every new welfare or entitlement program began. The more the financial responsibility shifts from the individual to the state, the higher the out of wedlock birth rate rise. Surprise.....if you pay people to have babies if the father is not around the more people will choose to have babies without fathers.

Ms.Anthrope
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Ms.Anthrope 05/27/13 - 10:04 am
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reality-based policies
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Contraceptives and morning-after pills need to be easily accessible and affordable. Access to Planned Parenthood facilities for female health issues and advice should be expanded. All possible means should be promoted which will help prevent unwanted pregnancies. Then, hopefully, the abortion dilemma would become a non-event!!! If republicans were sincere about this issue, they would not block these policies.
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Unwanted pregnancies from rape or incest do not result from a female exercising her FREE WILL. So, in these cases, abortion should always be an option.
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Bod is right about the economics. The "trickle-down" policies of Reagan three decades ago are a failure. They actually resulted in a "trickle-up" economy where the poor and middle-class have seen their wages stagnate or even decrease due to cost-of-living increases. Meanwhile, those in the elite economy classes have seen gains of over 200% or more in their wealth. Bruce Bartlett (former economics adviser to Reagan) has written several books on this topic which you should read.
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The American People need reality-based policies. They need our law-makers to stop playing political games in Foggy Bottom and do right for the American People.
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yeah.... I believe!.... in goP we trust!

chascushman
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chascushman 05/27/13 - 10:07 am
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“simple, just don't have
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“simple, just don't have sex... ever tell your dog or cat that one !!! gettin' about the same results with people these days.”
faithson, I agree we are reaping the rewards of the Great Society. This is what the liberals/democrats have created generation after generation. They have no morals and breed like animals.

Ms.Anthrope
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Ms.Anthrope 05/27/13 - 10:11 am
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more reality-based policies....
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More technical education schools which are affordable and mandated to ensure that graduates are placed in real jobs need to exist. No more giving monies to these "for-profit colleges" which are a scam.

RMSHEFF
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RMSHEFF 05/27/13 - 10:11 am
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the poor have gotten poorer

the poor have gotten poorer and the working people have had wages decline in real dollars more under Obama than any other modern president!

Bizkit
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Bizkit 05/27/13 - 10:14 am
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Progressives are an odd

Progressives are an odd bunch. Start talking abortion and the subject changes to poverty. Note violence and violent acts and the subject changes to gun control. A complete lack of logic. Abortion isn't synonymous with poverty-it's a choice issue isn't it? Hispanics display poverty and health disparities yet their abortion rate is half of any other ethnicity. Violence and acts of violence are not always associated with guns-so why the focus on just one mechanism of violence. The whole notion of the "assault rifle" borders on retarded. How many soldiers have returned from WWII, Korea, Vietnam, etc, etc. to present with an assault rifle or pistol-and then used them to commit crimes. The percentage rate would be like the odds of winning the lottery. Of those statistically most would be suicides. Address why women have abortions, why people are violent and especially why so many youth now display violent behaviors is much more pragmatic.

Ms.Anthrope
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Ms.Anthrope 05/27/13 - 10:18 am
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no RMSHEFF
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that is not true.
Income has been declining for the past three decades because of the Reagan policies and as a result of corporations out-sourcing. The real reason we are poorer today is because of the "great recession" of 2008. The poor and middle-class lost what wealth they may have had because housing values dropped and 401Ks were decimated. The elite have recovered from this but the poor and middle-class have not and probably never will. Heck, the Dow is over 15,000 now with Obama as President.

Ms.Anthrope
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Ms.Anthrope 05/27/13 - 10:22 am
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i guess
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Bizkit does not consider my 10:04 post to be part of the progressives response????
...yeah... I believe.....in GOP we trust......

ymnbde
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ymnbde 05/27/13 - 10:26 am
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ah, we have a "true believer"

as Mr Hoffer would call her
the only thing women have easier access to than reproductive "services" is food.
do we need express lane abortions? WIC condoms and pills?
the services are already there, and accessible. Will you FORCE women to use them?
Rape and incest account for a very small number of dead babies. A very small number.
Those abortions have a moral complexity naturally excluded from the cutting and pasting of liberal talking points.
the policies of Reagan helped everyone, but most of all those willing to help themselves.
The liberals control education, and are so incompetent at it that even Reagan couldn't save their victims.
"Basic Economics," by Thomas Sowell, is the best introductory economics book. It exposes the fraud of the others.
It could even help a fanatic.

RMSHEFF
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RMSHEFF 05/27/13 - 10:27 am
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The dow is a function of

The dow is a function of corporate profit not "real wages" or poverty rates. The group that has done the worst under Obama is black people especially black youth. The most wealthy have done the best under Obama. The people in the middle have has real wages shrink under Obama. The unemployment rate...well you know how bad that is along with the national debt. You don't find it ironic that the people who are suffering the most under Obama are his biggest supporters? They know he "feels" their pain, they just don't realize he is the cause of their pain.

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