Harmful if swallowed

Are Americans expected to seriously believe Obama's response to scandals?

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So far, the Obama administration’s response to its multiple scandals has been neither overwhelming nor overly comforting.

The president and attorney general danced a good dance in press conferences and congressional hearings, respectively, saying they don’t know much and didn’t hear anything about all this until about the same time you did.

Even liberal comedian Jon Stewart savaged Mr. Obama for repeatedly learning about big news events – supposedly – at the same time as the rest of the country.

What a scam. By continually feigning ignorance, the president dodges both accountability and questions.

The president then put on his angry hat and made a big show of “firing” the interim head of the IRS over the scandal in which the agency targeted conservative groups. What a hero. The man was about to leave office anyway, and reportedly will be allowed to make a graceful exit in June. Some firing!

Meanwhile, Attorney General Eric “I Know Nothing” Holder – who continued the Obama administration shtick of ginning up anger to ward off scandal in congressional hearings – will, you’ll be glad to know, be investigating the IRS scandal.

Even though Holder’s own Department of Justice is up to its neck in scandal itself: Holder himself is in contempt of Congress for refusing to come clean on the Fast and Furious gun-running scandal – and his department is accused of secretly spying on Associated Press phone records.

The IRS unfairly, unethically and, in our view, illegally targeted Tea Party groups, Jewish groups, pro-life groups and outspoken individual critics of President Obama. Some 500 organizations reportedly have had their applications for tax-exempt status delayed with varyingly scurrilous demands.

Jenny Beth Martin, the Georgia co-founder of the Tea Party Patriots, said the IRS demanded to know who her donors are (even though smaller donors can be anonymous by law); the agency insisted on knowing every member of Congress that her organization had talked with; and the IRS even wanted to know which books that a book club affiliated with the Patriots had read – and wanted a book report on one of them.

One public interest law firm says a pro-life group, which had its application delayed as well, had been required to swear it wouldn’t protest against Planned Parenthood.

These are some of the most reprehensible and frightening allegations of a U.S. government run amok that we’ve heard of. And yet we’re expected to sit back and watch this government investigate itself? The same
government that rewrote
talking points on the Benghazi terrorist attack last year 12 times – and ended up telling repeated lies about what led to the attack?

Forgive us for being underwhelmed at the notion.

This administration should count its lucky stars that conservatives aren’t in the streets already, a la some of the liberal groups that have shut down ports, taken over the Wisconsin statehouse and occupied public streets and parks.

But it remains to be seen what can be accomplished by one arm of a corrupt government investigating another.

Or how much more conservatives will be expected to swallow.

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Young Fred
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Young Fred 05/20/13 - 10:33 pm
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President, the buck stops

President, the buck stops nowhere near here, Obama - effectively announced:

"Let me make it perfectly clear, the Obama Administration...has no knowledge of what the Obama Administration is aware of, or has done!"

faithson
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faithson 05/20/13 - 11:30 pm
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for those who want another side to the story.....

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/19/us/politics/at-irs-unprepared-office-s...

know the nytimes is anathema to so many, but either you research for yourself on this matter, or you allow the likes of this editorial board drive the narrative. depends on how interested you are to get to the truth of the matter, without all the bombastic retoric.

'News again cited 203 IRS employees working 73,000 yearly exempt org applications',
' "$308.5 million worth of undisclosed political spending that came from these supposedly nonpolitical groups in 2012 alone".

From a retired IRS employee I asked about this issue:

Pub 557 w/Form 1024 for orgs to apply under IRC 501(c) (4) thru (10), or Form 1023 app to be a 501 (c)(3) org w/a public purpose like a church/school/educational group) along with the toll-free EO callsite number to whomever requested to apply for tax exempt status. We had a lot of people state they were going to complete the application themselves despite this complex tax subject. As you read, IRS lawyers had to/still have to issue procedures to interpret the tax code changes that Congress &/or the Supreme Court (in 2010) generated to "regulations in place since 1959" (see the IRS Scandal article). Incomplete applications generated IRS requests for additional information. Delayed guidance created the situation addressed in all of the above articles and outlined by IRS in the "official" response.

look for the conspiracy if you must, but it sounds like an underfunded, un-guided group that were overwhelmed with their case loads. Sometimes the simiplest answers, ARE the answers.

faithson
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faithson 05/20/13 - 11:52 pm
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Senator Mitch McConnell on Sunday

“You can you talk about a culture. Do you have any evidence that the President of the United States directed what you call a culture of intimidation at the IRS to target political opponents?”

“I don’t think we know what the facts are,” McConnell responded. “The investigation has just begun. So I’m not going to reach a conclusion about what we may find, but what we do know happened is they were targeting Tea Party groups. We know that.”

Oh, but this editoral board has the 'FACTS' Mitch doesn't seem to have. hummmmmmm....

Young Fred
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Young Fred 05/20/13 - 11:46 pm
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Yep, faithson, "an

Yep, faithson, "an underfunded, un-guided group", that took it upon themselves to invent "new and improved" questions to ask only a certain subset of groups. Sounds like to me, these overworked bureaucrats had more spare time on their hands than you're willing to admit.

"Underfunded" - what a farce! Example after example of an over-reaching government and you believe they need more funds, unbelievable!!!

What would be enough funding? Perhaps one overpaid leftist zealot per application for each group with the uber scary "patriot" in their title?

Left, right, it doesn't much matter. You show me anyone who has no problem with government in the last couple decades or so, and I'll show you someone in serious need of some basic history lessons.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 05/21/13 - 04:03 am
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What's There to Debate?

The IRS has admitted they did wrong and apologized. From the AP: "IRS agents singled out dozens of organizations for additional reviews because they included the words "tea party" or "patriot" in their exemption applications, said Lois Lerner, who heads the IRS division that oversees tax-exempt groups."

The only question now is WHO told them to do it.

Bodhisattva
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Bodhisattva 05/21/13 - 04:20 am
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From TPP email. Fake letters and such to mail

You can also download the tool kit here:

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myfather15
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myfather15 05/21/13 - 04:35 am
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I have to fight back my

I have to fight back my impulse to try and debate faithson; because you simply can't do it. Last debate we had, I hit them with proveable facts, but he/she choose to ignore it. Simply wouldn't address the facts I put foward, but ignored them and stay on talking points. It's a waste of time to debate with them; because when you are committed left wing zealot, there is no turning that mindset around.

carcraft
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carcraft 05/21/13 - 04:38 am
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Spare me!

What is to the point of the editorial, no matter how the left wants to divert the attention of the reader are the facts that the IRS chief knew nothing, Eric Holder knew nothing and Obama knew nothing and these are the people running these agencies and the government! Gee I think if I had to go to congress about something I would know what was going on. Not These BOZOs. Why look into to something, you might actually appear intelligent! Being over worked and under great pressure these groups managed to get Obama's half-brother’s charitable organization processed in record time! Being over worked they still had time to ask people applying for these applications who they prayed for, what books they read and have them to fill out extra forms to process. Sounds like the folks at the IRS had too much time. Now the Lady that ran the office where all this garbage went on is head of the Obama care division of the IRS. Before the investigation is complete Obama has expressed his full faith in her. Now here is my question on liberal logic today. Listen up liberal this is a test. IF OBAMA DOESN'T KNOW WHAT WENT ON AND IS WAITING FOR THE INVESTIGATION TO BE COMPLETE HOW CAN HE KNOW THIS WOMEN DIDN'T INSTIGATE THE SHINANIGANS AND HOW CAN HE HAVE FULL FAITH IN HER?

myfather15
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myfather15 05/21/13 - 04:52 am
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@Bodhisattva

OMG!! You've done it!! You've solved the worlds problems. You discovered that an organization had jealousy, corruption and greed. WOW, how did you ever come up with that? That would NEVER happen here in America or ANYWHERE ELSE in the world, right? I'm just astonished that an organization with approximately 15 million members would have fighting within it's ranks; I can't stress this enough. These people should ALL be having cocktails and singing Kumbaya, right? Not having internal struggles.

Now, (snapping back to reality); which part of their internal problems, justified the IRS to specifically target Tea party groups? Please tell me in your "Rational logic" how targeting is justified. EVERY and I mean EVERY organization with ANY size to it; will have greed and internal problems, including liberal groups. So PLEASE, tell me how any of your links above; justified targeting these groups by the IRS.

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 05/21/13 - 05:09 am
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either this administration is

either this administration is 110 percent corrupt---or they {obumler} aint got a clue...i believe both are true

nocnoc
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nocnoc 05/21/13 - 05:34 am
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Moral of the story.Elect a

Moral of the story.

Elect a Democratic Socialist / Liberal / Activist Politician.
WITHOUT Vetting him.

An ......you end up with a Democratic Socialist / Liberal / Activist Fascist Government that is doing what it wants in total disregard of US LAW and the US Constitution.

allhans
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allhans 05/21/13 - 05:47 am
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It is apparent that the WH

It is apparent that the WH team is terrified of Obama. They simply don't have it in them to give him bad news.

allhans
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allhans 05/21/13 - 05:52 am
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After seeing the tons of

After seeing the tons of paperwork sent to conservatives to delay (they were too smart to deny) an application I would say that the IRS is WAY overworked. Can you imagine sending all that crap back and forth and to hundreds of applicants. Made me tired to look at it..

Rhetor
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Rhetor 05/21/13 - 05:57 am
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desperate

The right wing is desperate to prove that Obama has scandals worth of Watergate or Iran-Contra. Wishful thinking doesn't make it so. Watergate came undone as the result of a careful, years-long investigation. The Republicans try to take short cuts by making wild accusations without real proof. Good luck with that.
Let's not forget that the Tea Party groups are overtly political, and the IRS was absolutely right to make them document their tax-exempt status. The only possible scandal, if there is one, is if comparable liberal groups were overlooked.

allhans
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allhans 05/21/13 - 05:59 am
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We have to give them some

We have to give them some credit. They kept the lid on until after the election....
Even Harry Reid was in on the act, even if his facts were all wrong.

rmwhitley
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rmwhitley 05/21/13 - 06:19 am
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Folks,
Unpublished

you have to remember that lefties are so accustomed to LYING that they can do it flawlessly. We, conservatives, have one choice and that is a 2nd Civil War conducted this time on the local, state and federal governments---anarchy.

rmwhitley
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rmwhitley 05/21/13 - 06:19 am
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Folks,
Unpublished

you have to remember that lefties are so accustomed to LYING that they can do it flawlessly. We, conservatives, have one choice and that is a 2nd Civil War conducted this time on the local, state and federal governments---anarchy.

myfather15
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myfather15 05/21/13 - 06:27 am
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@Rhetor

"The only possible scandal, if there is one, is if comparable liberal groups were overlooked."

And how shall we know this without a FULL investigation? Would you have been comfortable with Bernie Madoff investigating his own financial fraud? If you have a local law enforcement officer accused of a crime, would you put him in charge of the investigation?

You've NEVER heard me accuse President Obama of anything EXCEPT possibly incompetence. I'm not suggesting this "scandal" goes all the way to him, becaue I have no idea how far it goes. BUT, I certainly believe this to be troublesome and needs a thorough investigation. Those responsible need to be fired and prosecuted. BUT, this administration has a history of NOT holding people responsible, period.

Steve Miller was ASKED to resign; not FIRED and he was already scheduled to leave the IRS next month. During Fast&Furious, two low level people were fired; with Eric Holder refusing to investigate. During the Black Panther's voter intimidation in Philly; Eric Holder refused to investigate. These guys were standing outside the voting station with BATONS for petes sake. Why were they allowed to possess weapons and LOITER outside a voting station? But, according to Eric "nothing to see here" Holder; no crime was committed and his office isn't investigating.

Also, on Benghazi; SOMETHING went wrong, somewhere along the lines. Now, and once again; just like I didn't blame BUSH for going into Iraq on bad information (Because the President doesn't personally gather his own intelligence); I'm also not personally blaming Obama. BUT, somebody screwed up royally. Why aren't they being held accountable? Is our government really that inept; that 9 months later we still don't have a single clue who did what?

In any professional organization, when people are completely inept to the point of being unable to do their job effectively; the boss usually FIRES THEM. Why aren't we seeing this? Not only are we NOT seeing this; we ARE seeing a complete coverup. It's plain to anyone who isn't a committed zealot.

nocnoc
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nocnoc 05/21/13 - 06:58 am
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One thing for sure.If the

One thing for sure.

If the Socialists win the house there will never be any investigations.

If they lose and the Conservatives are given a clear mandate to investigate.

Obama has nothing to lose, he is a lame duck.

Obama can and has slap a National Security Stamp on anything he wants, claim executive privilege as needed and he can pardon everyone he wishes.

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 05/21/13 - 06:56 am
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i cannot believe the

i cannot believe the blindness of the left and their loyality to obumler...we have scandal after scandal ....worse than watergate and iran -contra **where americans, died fast and furious and libya.***we have the govt literally spying on the press..we have a so-called independant federal agency hounding illegally yes illegally conservative groups spurred by letters from leading democtratic senators incliding the senator who has oversight of the irs demaning special scrunity on conservative groups. and a prez and other leaders publically calling them out...and we have a poster here referring us to mother jones***YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING ME**where is the outrage***why not investiagte **we already know theses scandals have some merit**they admitted to it***why dont you on the left care??

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 05/21/13 - 07:17 am
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Amazing how the IRS admitted,
Unpublished

Amazing how the IRS admitted, and apologized for inappropriately targeting people, and there are people here that say it never happened. They seem so brainwashed that they will do or say ANYTHING to defend their chosen one. Simply amazing.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 05/21/13 - 07:19 am
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Ya know....I see lot's of
Unpublished

Ya know....I see lot's of links posted with no explanations. A pattern used by a different poster who disappeared from here at the same time that another poster showed up......and they both post early in the morning, then never back up what they say when asked later in the day. Hmmmmmmm.....coincidence?

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