Obama vs. the Founders

President, forefathers are at odds over embracing government

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“Unfortunately, you’ve grown up hearing voices that incessantly warn of government as nothing more than some separate, sinister entity that’s at the root of all our problems ... They’ll warn that tyranny is always lurking just around the corner. You should reject these voices, because what they suggest is that our brave and creative and unique experiment in self-rule is somehow just a sham with which we can’t be trusted.”

– Barack Obama

“Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.”

– Daniel Webster

Barack Obama did what he always does, in his pro-government commencement speech May 5 at Ohio State University.

First, he jumped at the chance to try to indoctrinate, particularly the young. He never misses such an opportunity. He just can never check his politics at the door, not even when asked to inspire a group of graduates.

Second, he grotesquely exaggerated his opponents’ arguments, claiming they “incessantly warn of government as nothing more than some separate, sinister entity that’s at the root of all our problems ... They’ll warn that tyranny is always lurking just around the corner.” It’s a common trick of the deceitful debater, to
cartoonishly caricature an
opponent’s position to paint it as absurd or dangerous.

The thing is, this time he picked a particularly ironic time to be touting the virtues of government – just days before his administration plunged itself into multiple scandals that, themselves, reek of tyranny, no exaggeration needed.

It’s instructive to revisit the nation’s pioneers’ view of government, which was rightly skeptical if not fearful. The quotes above illustrate the fact that this is a president such as our Union has never seen before: one who turns the early-American credo “blessings of liberty” on its head – and who, instead, heralds the blessings of government.

It is self-evident, but no less stark: It has become undeniable that Barack Obama’s view of government is nearly the polar opposite of that of this nation’s founders.

Notice, too, in the above quote from Mr. Obama’s commencement speech, a few other little problems.

First is when he refers to the problem of today’s generations havinggrown up hearing voices that incessantly warn of government as nothing more than some separate, sinister entity that’s at the root of all our problems.”

The real problem is that Americans for decades have heard exactly the opposite, particularly in recent years from this administration: voices that incessantly laud all the glorious things government can, should and will do for us. As with the founders’ view of the nation, Mr. Obama’s world

view clashes head-on with John F. Kennedy’s admonition to “ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country.”

Heavens, what has happened to the party of JFK?

It is an especially inopportune moment for us to have raised up such a leader who, quite the opposite of our founders, believes so blindly and unalterably in the piety and purity of government. This government is not only spending us to ruin – $16 trillion in debt, with perhaps $100 trillion in unfunded retirement program
liabilities and goodness knows how much in Obamacare costs. It’s also actually advertising to put more people, especially immigrants, onto welfare programs that are already at record and unsustainable levels.

Worse than the numbers is the inherent erosion of the work ethic and self-reliance that made this country great. And perhaps even worse than that is that government dependence prevents people from realizing their God-given potential; it strips people of the need to become their best selves.

The trifecta of Obama administration scandals that have erupted, primarily just in the days since the president’s “Go Government!” commencement speech, give lie to the false hope in government that he’s peddling. Anyone who doesn’t fear government tyranny, even after hearing the IRS targeted some groups for their political beliefs and the Department of Justice spied on the Associated Press, just isn’t paying attention.

The scandalized Obama administration has inadvertently proven our founders right and him wrong.

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GuyGene
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GuyGene 05/19/13 - 01:39 am
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What concerns me is not

What concerns me is not President Obama, Harry Reid, etc., but the fact that most Americans VOTED for Mr. Obama. I agree with this editorial, but again, my worry is that we who believe in less government are definitely in the minority.

Oh no, does this mean that now I will be an IRS target?

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burninater 05/19/13 - 03:37 pm
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"It’s a common trick of the

"It’s a common trick of the deceitful debater, to cartoonishly caricature an opponent’s position to paint it as absurd or dangerous."

Do tell us more about the "indoctrination"; the "wreak [sic] of tyranny, no exaggeration needed"; and these people that "mean to be masters".

In the meantime, I'll be re-reading your statement about cartoonish caricatures being the hallmark of a deceiver.

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owensjef3 05/19/13 - 06:04 am
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Enough!
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Enough!

carcraft
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carcraft 05/19/13 - 07:16 am
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Has Obama been a deceiver?

Has Obama been a deceiver? Yes! I have enumerated his Lies often. Here are just a few. Instead of bending the cost of the health care curve downward as Obama promised, it is going up! The OMB has doubled the initial cost of Obama care and it hasn't even been implemented yet! Health insurance premiums are going up and the cost of copays are increasing. OF course all this is worth it so some twit can get free birth control! The scientific report after the gulf spill was altered to justify Obama putting in a moratorium on deep water drilling. Obama still hasn't come clean on Fast and Furious. Then Obama goes down to Mexico and gives a speech in which he blames guns from America for the violence in Mexico. Well if the deceiver in Chief hadn’t smuggled 2,000 Weapons into Mexico 300 people wouldn’t have been killed with them, right? Three government agencies and the White House altered the CIA talking points to the point where General Petraeus objected. Then Obama goes to the UN and basically continues the lie. Obama still says the information that went out with Rice was from CIA talking points. Does Obama really think we are that stupid when the public knows the drafts were altered 12 times by the State department, the National Security agency and the CIA? THEY WERE ALTERD AFTER THE CIA ISSUED THE INTIAL TALKING POINTS AND THE CIA NEVER BROUGHT UP A DEMONSTARTION THAT DIDN'T EXIST! One has to wonder if Petraeus wasn’t embroiled in his scandal because he would not play ball with Obama’s lies. Now Carney goes on CNN and says there really are no scandals. That isn't deceit? I could go on for a long time those were just off the top of my head. Obama even got Candy Crowley to support him in his deceit about Benghazi during the Debate. She came clean the next day. Well you got SMNCICBHO so live with this deceitful arrogant rear end.

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chascushman 05/19/13 - 07:47 am
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I believe the following
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I believe the following letter sums it up really well. The following letter is from the Czech Republic newspaper Prager Zeitung on April 28, 2010 that zeros in on the really serious problem in this country. ‘The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president.
“The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.”
The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him president.’

Ms.Anthrope
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Ms.Anthrope 05/19/13 - 08:15 am
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in GOP we trust
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in GOP we trust

in GOP we trust
in GOP we trust
in GOP we trust
in GOP we trust

Riverman1
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Riverman1 05/19/13 - 08:36 am
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GuyGene and the others make a

GuyGene and the others make a good point. It's the fact so many voters supported Obama and the Democrats that is worrisome.

Before Obama was elected I was in an online group of people who were writing various types of books. It was a nonpolitical place to share ideas and critique other's work while having your own examined. I was probably the dumbest person in there. These people were intelligent and successful Americans.

One guy was writing a political book and he asked us if we considered ourselves liberals or conservatives. I was thinking there would be a good many liberals because many of the people were academic types. Lo and behold, to my complete and pleasant surprise every single person identified as a conservative. A few marveled at the results as I did.

That experience told me we have a coalition of non-thinking, dependent people, in this country who don't understand the dangers of taxing our economic system out of existence or giving up constitutional safeguards supporting Democratic candidates. THEIR Constitution is found in union by-laws.

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ymnbde 05/19/13 - 09:39 am
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corruption cascades from the head down

and the fingers act on what the head condemns
Obama and the Obamists know that.
This isn't the most evil, corrupt government in history, but they are as evil and corrupt as they're allowed to get away with. Fortunately, in their rabid effort to put their leader in office, they went just a bit too far. And they are the most evil, corrupt government in America's history.
They stole Ohio. They didn't win that.
And they most likely stole several other states as well.
"you didn't build that" is the modern, deceitful version of "take back what was taken from you," that base slogan of all class-warfare revolutions.
They indoctrinate our youth, the put our unborn in debt, they overtax our workers, they control our speech, they try to take away our right to and power of self-defense, they steal elections, they demonize the speech of public figures they disagree with, they force banks to loan money to people who won't pay it back, they attack with the IRS and the EPA and many others... and they're about to control our access to health care.
with this group, i guess we're all becoming 3/5 of a person.

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crkgrdn 05/19/13 - 09:48 am
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Who would have thought that Americans would do this.

Before 1991 and the collapse of the Soviet Union, who would have thought that Americans would elect a Marxist for president...twice.

My friends in Eastern Europe do not understand us. The current champions of freedom are Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary and other European nations that experienced the evils of Marxist ideology.

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carcraft 05/19/13 - 10:12 am
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Ms. Anthrope Many of us

Ms. Anthrope Many of us conservatives don't like the RINO (Republicans in name only) part of the party. The Democrates sold their soul to Obama. Not all Republicans are sold out! That being said we conservatives also understand the OLD saying "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely "! That is why we believe adhering to the limits placed on government by the constitution is good. Obama in a speech said the constition was flawed because it was a list of prohibitions and not proscriptions.Obama said he wanted to fundamentally change America the press was to busy making the election about Palin to ask what Obama meant. Well we now know it is about corrupting America.

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t3bledsoe 05/19/13 - 10:22 am
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Sick of these 3 scandals !!

Today’s editorial continues to lambaste The Administration about the same three controversies of the embassy attack, the IRS, and The U.S. DOJ about phone records.

I acknowledge a RANT spoke to my comparing the embassy deaths to those in combat. I understand The Diplomatic Corp is different than combat.

What I don’t understand is the conservatives’ continuing to put more pressure on this administration about these three events and letting The U.S. Troops go unmentioned !! Perhaps you-all are saying, “Well the troops will be home next year, SO LET USE ARGUE ABOUT SCANDALS !!

I am not “patting myself on my back, but if millions more were like me and continued the fight against the wars, PERHAPS THE TROOPS WOULD HAVE BEEN HOME ALREADY !!

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deestafford 05/19/13 - 11:01 am
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Let us face two facts:

First, obama thinks of the Founding Fathers as only "A bunch of rich, white, slave owning guys." Never in his life has he been to any educational institution that would have taught him otherwise.

Second, I believe the current generation is the most uneducated and ignorant in US history since its Founding.

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faithson 05/19/13 - 11:33 am
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Heavens, what has happened to the party of JFK?

pot calling the kettle black. I know so many ole 'thinking' republicans that are aghast at where their party has taken politics. They pine for the days of a party that's primary objective was fiscal responsibility, without all the naseant fringe social attachments. This fringe element now overtaking the party by zealots, who have only their hatred for all things collective.

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Darby 05/19/13 - 11:48 am
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My question would likely be...

when has Obama been ever honest with the American people?

I remember him saying that his goal was to completely transform our way of life. Maybe that was it.

Other than that...........??????

dahreese
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dahreese 05/19/13 - 12:00 pm
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Another wasted editorial with
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Another wasted editorial with the usual let me jump on the bandwagon conservative comments and commentors.
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"What experience told me we have a coalition of non-thinking, dependent people...."

When you're a conservative you don't have to think. Others do it for you, whether that be politics or religion.

Better to be able to say, "I think, therefore I'm liberal."

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mrenee2003 05/19/13 - 11:55 am
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I refuse to vote republican

I refuse to vote republican until the loonies are out of the party. All this hand-wringing over Obama and liberals is laughable from people who voted for the likes of Paul Broun, Sarah Palin, or Michelle Bachmann. Those are the people you should be losing sleep over! Crazy!

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grouse 05/19/13 - 11:57 am
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This editorial is a mangled
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This editorial is a mangled bunch of nonsense...and the Chronicle has a ridiculous definition of "tyranny."

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DanK 05/19/13 - 12:15 pm
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Inconvenient Truths

Life is filled with facts that many people choose to ignore. And then there are the selective "truths" that people create in support of their own ideology. The incessant references to the supposed intentions and intransigent purposes of the Founding Fathers is among the fabrications of convenience commonly used to prop up ideological positions that are, in fact, the antithesis of reality.

Old white men, especially in the agrarian, rural, old slave-owning states, are still clinging to the same ideology, saying the same words, fighting the same reality, that they've been struggling with unsuccessfully for 175 years.

But the country changed. It changed with the abolition of slavery and the defeat of the confederacy. It changed again with the economic collapse of unbridled capitalism, the Great Depression, the fall of the robber barons. It changed with the rise of FDR and the New Deal, rebuilding the American Dream. It changed with the government marriage to corporations that has consolidated almost all of the wealth of the country into the hands of a few and destroyed the middle class. And it changed with 9/11, the Patriot Act, which put unlimited power to spy on, track and manipulate Americans into the hands of the Federal government.

The country has evolved, and with it, the redefinition of the roles and justifications of governments. A lot of people are unhappy with where we are now -- both conservatives who fantasize about a return to a long-lost past, and liberals who mourn the loss of American liberties and hope.

These are inconvenient and unhappy truths, but truths nonetheless. It is also a truth that old men calcify in old age and become inflexible, cranky and blind to the reality of the world around them. All the old conservatives and liberals are in that state of petrification now.

But the truth is, there ain't no goin' back for anybody.

dahreese
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dahreese 05/19/13 - 12:23 pm
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"But the truth is, there
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"But the truth is, there ain't no goin' back for anybody."

And when you leave this old world, ain't nobody going with you.

"All the old conservatives and liberals are in that state of petrification now."

Don't know if I'd totally agree with that or not.

Otherwise, a well expressed comment.

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carcraft 05/19/13 - 12:37 pm
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To all those that say I , as

To all those that say I , as an old white guy refuse to change. Please explain to me why being lied to and allowing it is a NEW standard that should be accepted? Please explain how the US government can write checks with no money in our account and we won't end up like Ireland and Europe? Is this the NEW thing I am supposed to accept? Please explain to me why we should not hold government agencies responsible for making bad and possibly illegal decisions? Or does this new standard give the government authority to do what ever it wants? Well you can keep your brave new world full of lies, deciet, and financial irresponsibility! That is the world Obama represents to me!

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 05/19/13 - 12:53 pm
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BORROWING A LINE FROM "CARCRAFT"

"Please explain to me why we should not hold government agencies responsible for making bad and possibly illegal decisions?"

Taking this question from "carcraft", the answer to all of these scandals is in this question. People say, "THE BUCK STOPS WITH OBAMA."

If this is true, then why have a department head at each of these government beauocracies ( spelling )??!! These department heads should be the ones punished and THE WORK OF THE PEOPLE MUST, MUST MOVE FORWARD !

dahreese
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dahreese 05/19/13 - 01:01 pm
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"That is the world Obama
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"That is the world Obama represents to me!"

Just Obama?

When, as an "old white guy" did it come to you that what we were taught as "The American Way" was a lie?

That there never has been "free market enterprise?"

That our military has been and is being abused by both political parties and that the number of dead soldiers do not rest on the conscience of our political or corporate leaders who send them into war; that it's their politics and their money that count to them?

That there has always been an "elite" that runs this country?

That the CIA makes its own foreign policies? (And who really runs the CIA)?

That, except for a very rare occassion, the "whistle-blowers" are telling the truth, but are made to shut-up very quickly?

That the major news media in this country are owned by the "elite."

That this country has 'never' had an "account" to draw from?

How can an intelligent "old white guy" buy into the continuously right-wing editorials presented here everyday? (Gotta say the local coverage is very good, however).

I'll tell you. I was probably raised like you - conservatively. But as I got older, I started smelling rats (both religiously and politically) and the more I questioned, the more I learned that I was lied to.

I couldn't go back to the conservative way of politics and religion if I wanted to.

Conservative Man
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Conservative Man 05/19/13 - 01:08 pm
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This one quote....

....says it perfectly...“The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.”

t3bledsoe
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t3bledsoe 05/19/13 - 01:08 pm
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Good comment by "dahreese" @ 1:01

With all due respect to this paper, "If the Cronicle was anymore conservative, I think I would get sick to my digestive system !"

faithson
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faithson 05/19/13 - 01:29 pm
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'step outside ourselves' being the key inference

Pope Francis:

"If we step outside of ourselves, we will find poverty," he said, repeating his call for Catholics to do more to seek out those on the fringes of society who need help the most," he said from the steps of St. Peter's Basilica

"Today, and it breaks my heart to say it, finding a homeless person who has died of cold, is not news. Today, the news is scandals, that is news, but the many children who don't have food - that's not news. This is grave. We can't rest easy while things are this way."

The crowd, most of whom are already involved in charity work, interrupted him often with applause.

"We cannot become starched Christians, too polite, who speak of theology calmly over tea. We have to become courageous Christians and seek out those (who need help most)," he said.

dahreese
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dahreese 05/19/13 - 01:51 pm
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"The danger to America is not
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"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency...The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.”

These quoted sentences (quoted above @7:16) are an excellent example of a conservative letting somebody else do his thinking for him.

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dichotomy 05/19/13 - 01:55 pm
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"That experience told me we

"That experience told me we have a coalition of non-thinking, dependent people, in this country who don't understand the dangers of taxing our economic system out of existence or giving up constitutional safeguards supporting Democratic candidates"

The REAL problem is that there is no danger to them as long as OUR tax money holds out. They will realize the danger when the value of their welfare check gets reduced by 75% when the inevitable inflation sets in. And we can no longer borrow money.

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mrenee2003 05/19/13 - 02:53 pm
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carcraft

You are delusional if you think the Obama administration is the only administration that has ever lied to you. Wake up. Why don't you post all the lies the Bush II administration perpetrated? First among them, launching a war against a country that didn't attack us. BTW, for fun, post how much money the Bush and Cheney families made off of the war. The difference between liberals and conservatives is that liberals ARE NOT blind to the failings of this president; they criticize him everyday. Spend a minute watching Rachel Maddow and you will see she is tough on this president. This blind devotion to your party, even when it reeks, is unsettling (e.g., outrage over an umbrella).

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deestafford 05/19/13 - 02:53 pm
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To reply to the ignorance shown by Dang would take much more

space than allowed here. It would take a pamphlet at least. It appears to me he and obama went to the same schools which disperse ignorance and misinformation about America, its history, origins and place in the world.
His type of thinking came in with President Wilson when Darwin was the hero of the progressives in that they believed all things were relative and would ''evolve" to fit the times and the intelligence of the elite whom seek to "rule'' the rest of us.
That is in contrast with the Newtonian philosophy of the Founders who believed there are certain absolutes and truths upon which is the bedrock
upon which a civilization just and true is built.

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Ms.Anthrope 05/19/13 - 03:03 pm
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in GOP we trust
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and the prophets of GOP ........ Newt Gingrich and Karl Rove !
They have revealed the truth!
One party is patriots....the other is traitors.
One party is "saved by Jesus"..... the other is the devil's minions.
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Thank GOP for passing all the jobs bills since their 2010 election...
if not for these job bills, we would not have the slow recovery that we are all enjoying now. And curse Obama.... if not for his marxist socialist agenda, the DOW would be at 20,000 instead of floundering at 15,000 as it has lately.
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And the GOP is righteous in their emphasis on these "scandals" .
They see no scandal in the VA where veterans paperwork gets lost and they have to begin it again or when the paperwork is complete but they are still waiting 390days later for the benefits they were promised. This is not a scandal that deserves attention and hearings and funding by the GOP. They know the truth. The scandal is how these people, these so-called war veterans, want to suck off the government teeet.
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in GOP we trust !

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