Unknown and unaffordable?

As Obamacare encroaches, get ready for your premiums to skyrocket

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Kathleen Sebelius recently cited a slowdown in Medicare expenses and concluded that American health-care costs were going down.

Surely the Health and Human Services secretary knows that Medicare expenses aren’t the same as health-care costs. If Medicare expenses are down, that may be simply because the federal government has arbitrarily limited the amount it reimburses health-care providers – through fee schedules and allowed procedures.

The actual costs of the services are another matter entirely.

“What reality is Sebelius in?” one commenter wrote on TheHill.com website. “It’s agenda driven and not based on the full analysis of the data. They need to stop being selective with their figures and tell the truth.”

Indeed, the totality of the facts would seem to indicate that Sebelius is not just wrong but is off by a galaxy or two.

Whereas Obamacare was sold as a way to rein in costs and expand coverage – a neat trick just on the surface – a new congressional study says premiums are headed way up and insurance affordability is headed down.

“Some estimates show some Americans facing startling premium increases of 203 percent because of the law,” the study says.

In true Orwellian fashion, the Affordable Care Act may be anything but.

Now, just weeks after claiming “downward pressure on medical costs,” Sebelius was forced to admit that insurance premiums will actually be rising for many Americans under Obamacare.

A new report by the Society of Actuaries estimates medical claims will rise an average of 32 percent. Individual health insurance costs are projected to rise 62 percent in California, 80 percent in Ohio and 67 percent for Maryland.

“There is going to be a rate shock for a lot of people,” Bill Gracey, president of BlueCross BlueShield of Tennessee, was quoted in a report out of Chattanooga.

Nor is the sweeping societal change that’s taking shape very well understood, according to a recent news report.

“President Obama’s health care law remains largely a mystery to most Americans, three years after the president signed it, a new survey shows,” the story says.

“Today, nearly six in 10 Americans say they still don’t have enough information to understand how the Affordable Care Act will affect them.

“Ignorance about the law is even higher among Americans who stand to benefit most, with more than two-thirds of people without health insurance reporting they don’t have enough information, the poll from the nonprofit Kaiser Family Foundation found.”

It doesn’t help, either, when administration officials are ballyhooing cost reductions one week and acknowledging cost increases the next.

This seems like a disaster in the making.

But maybe not an accident: Before promising as president that you could keep your current insurance, Mr. Obama once told a labor union audience, “I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer (government) universal health care program. ... That’s what I’d like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. ...”

In a 2009 article, political watchdog Politifact.com noted fears among some Americans that “private insurance will wither in the face of a public option and Obama will get the single-payer system he secretly wants.”

So far, no signs have emerged to point in another direction.

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carcraft
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carcraft 03/29/13 - 05:42 am
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Another day same stuff, so

Another day same stuff, so Obama lied and his administration lied, the sun also rose in the east today!

Rhetor
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Rhetor 03/29/13 - 06:06 am
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You're now quoting random

You're now quoting random bloggers as authorities?

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 03/29/13 - 06:11 am
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IF you mean SEBELIOUS and

IF you mean SEBELIOUS and OBUMLER..then your RIGHT...

Bodhisattva
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Bodhisattva 03/29/13 - 06:29 am
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" a new congressional study

" a new congressional study says premiums are headed way up".
Fact: Not a study but a report by the REPUBLICAN members of the House which is a mishmash of right wing writings. This is from American Action Forum, part of American Action Network. Linked to and shares office space with Karl Rove's American Crossroads. It's a right wing PAC, not a research institution that been know for misleading ads and received a large portion of it's funding from PhRMA.

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/09/american-action-network-american-action...

ymnbde
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ymnbde 03/29/13 - 06:30 am
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of the government, by the government, and for the government

shall not perish from this administration.
About four score and seven years ago, big government started existing mainly to promote and strengthen big government.
Health care is just a means to that end.
If the goal was truly health care, there would be more doctors.
I work every day, and support people who do not.
I maintain my health, and support people who do not.
The people who do not are the herd of "low information voters" fed, housed, and clothed by big government.
School choice is the only way out.

Bodhisattva
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Bodhisattva 03/29/13 - 07:42 am
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"A new report by the Society

"A new report by the Society of Actuaries estimates medical claims will rise an average of 32 percent"
Fact: That is by 2017 and . This omission could cause people to think it was an annual increase. Why would the Chronicle leave out that information? Also, the estimate is the law will cover an additional 32 million people. A zero percent increase per person would still equal an increase in overall cost of claims.

Bodhisattva
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Bodhisattva 03/29/13 - 07:43 am
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From the same report:

"On the plus side, the report found the law will cover more than 32 million currently uninsured Americans when fully phased in. And some states - including New York and Massachusetts - will see double-digit declines in costs for claims in the individual market.".

Bodhisattva
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Bodhisattva 03/29/13 - 07:43 am
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From the same report:

"Bohn, the actuary who worked on the study, acknowledged it did not attempt to estimate the effect of subsidies, insurer competition and other factors that could offset cost increases."

Gary Ross
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Gary Ross 03/29/13 - 07:50 am
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So why are we allowing this to happen???

It's neither healthy or is it caring, so don't call it healthcare. And obama DOESN"T care, so change the name to something that makes sense for a national disaster.

I thought we cared about our kids and grandkids. Why are we allowing this and many other things to ruin their future?

Truth Matters
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Truth Matters 03/29/13 - 08:42 am
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Obamacare

I get several solicitations a month from insurance companies looking for representatives. That spells job opportunity for the right person.

Can anyone say, "Jobs, jobs, jobs?"

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 03/29/13 - 09:04 am
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we have more people on

we have more people on disability than unemployment...people now are using disability as unemployment benefits..they ran out..its statistically impossible for the record jump in claims otherwise..our real unemployment is running in double digits ..our work partcipation is the lowest in years...our GDP was adjusted up to .4 last qtr. no growth..food stamps usage keep rising each and every month...now who ever says jobs, jobs cant square it with reality....we are being lied to by obumlers administration to cover up the real sorry shape our economy is in...the feds pump in 90 bilion a month in phoney liquidity and we are running record deficits ...gas is up, insurance is up for health care, food cost rise daily..yep things are great in obumlers economy...as they fly off to another vacation..and our children can even visit the people house...

LillyfromtheMills
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LillyfromtheMills 03/29/13 - 09:43 am
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Libs

I swear - it's written on the wall - and you still defend it - and this administration. We will all end up being lower middle class - no matter that we all worked hard for what we gained and now it will be taken away.

deestafford
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deestafford 03/29/13 - 10:09 am
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One of the main reasons medicare costs are going down,

and which escapes the Sec of HHS because of it obiviousness, is that many medical providers are refusing to take medicare patients.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 03/29/13 - 10:17 am
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My third grade math says it

My third grade math says it will cost lots more. There is no magic that can make it otherwise.

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 03/29/13 - 10:21 am
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bohd.... my insurance policy

bohd.... my insurance policy contributions have gone up 20 percent ecah year since obumler care was enacted...you simply cannot add 32 million uninsured into a program without cost going up..its mathmatically impossible...our own CBO has revised the cost of obumler care to more than doublle than 1st advertised...it was a scam to begin with and it will make social security look pristine and fully funded by comparision...its a lie and it will bankrupt us quicker than a dim can say "more taxes"

Jane18
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Jane18 03/29/13 - 11:13 am
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Disability

nofanofobama, you hit a nerve on me, with 'that word"! I have complained about these liars and thieves before. Right now, I know of five(5) people receiving disability, and not a one of them deserve it. Now I know there are many honest-to-goodness people with true disabilities, but these that I know, EARN OR PAY NOTHING on their own. Everything they get is paid, in one way or another, by THE GOVERNMENT. Every time someone mentions "people on disability", my blood pressure reaches a new high! As far as obamacare, it is the second worst thing(politically) I can think of, the first being ignorant voters!

dichotomy
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dichotomy 03/29/13 - 11:25 am
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So the bottom line is that

So the bottom line is that working American's insurance costs will be up about 100% by next year from 2008 levels and we will add FREE healthcare for 32 million of the same bums, lowlifes, and leeches that are sucking us dry on food stamps, Section 8, welfare, and SSI.

In addition, the quality of healthcare for working Americans will go down and the waiting times to see a doctor will go up because there will be a shortage of doctors.

And someone in the R&Rs asked the question, "Take our country back. What does that mean?" Here is the answer....the bums and leeches, via the Democrat party, and an oppressive Federal Government filled with anti-constitution despots, are taking our country from us, and WE the TAXPAYERS, who happen to like hanging on to SOME of the money we EARN, would like to take it back.

nocnoc
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nocnoc 03/29/13 - 11:28 am
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Obama care is a great example of

Doublespeak.

Supporters say a lot, but only bits of any thing are true or meaningful to the actual question.

allhans
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allhans 03/29/13 - 11:29 am
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Insurance companies are

Insurance companies are warning of large price increases.The largest increase will be on the younger workers ...This will be done before year-end ..In 2014 the "BOARD" will set the prices...

Those on Medicaid or disability SS don't need to worry, they still won't have to pay....No paycheck, you know.

bubbasauce
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bubbasauce 03/29/13 - 11:44 am
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Dichotomy and several others

Dichotomy and several others made very good statements on this topic.Yes we have to do away with the leeches of our society, but that is exactly why democrats let this happen. Dependent on good ole government aid.
Bodhisattva, you will be down to zero if you continue with your multiple posts. Put your comments all in one post so you won't get to the minus column so fast. I do get a kick out of reading your posts though! Quite entertaining to say the least!

chascushman
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chascushman 03/29/13 - 04:03 pm
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(Those on Medicaid or
Unpublished

(Those on Medicaid or disability SS don't need to worry, they still won't have to pay....No paycheck, you know.)
alhans, They might not have to pay but they will have a hard time finding a doctor. They will be back in the ER along with folks on Medicare.

KSL
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KSL 03/29/13 - 05:55 pm
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Finding a doctor who is

Finding a doctor who is limiting his Medicare patients is already happening.

allhans
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allhans 03/29/13 - 07:36 pm
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My brother called me

My brother called me yesterday very upset. He was notified that his GAP preminums are increasing $30.00 a month to be effective in October.

fedex227
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fedex227 03/30/13 - 12:13 am
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You know what's really sad?

It's that we have to rely on members who post on this forum to give us a factual representation of the issue rather than having to depend on our local newspaper. Thank you Bodhisattva for pointing out the facts. To the ACES, 'mission accomplished' - you've fulfilled your role as a mouthpiece of the Republican establishment.

- XXOO

Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, et al.

KSL
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KSL 03/30/13 - 01:06 am
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Facts

But sources who are pro current administration are no more reliable. Factcheck.org, snopes, current fed reporting agencies?

Deliver us to true unbiased, we will give you the truth. Is that possible? Don't we all have a slight bias even if we are trying not to?

KSL
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KSL 03/30/13 - 01:14 am
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Libs love to point out

Libs love to point out connections conservatives have with reporting organizations. Well now, there are just as many biased connections influencing the left side, which y'all readily quote. We are just not so quick to point them out. We are more concerned with the main issue, our country we were lucky enough to be born into that the zero is trying to take away from us.

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