Traditional values underfoot

When will Christianity-bashing stop?

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“Florida Atlantic University respects all religions and welcomes people of all faiths, backgrounds and beliefs.”

Isn’t it amazing an institution of higher learning today has to say such a thing?

And isn’t it all the more amazing that the statement had to be issued to comfort Christians – who represent by far the majority religion in America?

Yet, Florida Atlantic University did have to say it, after an instructor at FAU-Davie told students to write “Jesus” on a piece of paper and stomp on it. News reports indicated one student, Ryan Rotela, was suspended after he refused.

The school denied that, but apologized and said the exercise – allegedly used to point out both the arbitrariness and the power of symbols – wouldn’t ever be used again.

While the school says there was never any disciplinary action against Rotela, for some reason he felt it necessary to be protected by the conservative Liberty Institute.

Regardless, we rather doubt such a lesson plan would have included stomping on the name of Muhammad. Why is it OK to do it with Jesus’ name?

Here’s why: It’s because it’s fashionable in some circles to bash Christians. And because Christians don’t pick up knives and torches and call for someone’s death; instead, they pick up the phone.

In some cases, that’s enough, however. No doubt many did pick up a phone and call FAU in protest, and that it helped FAU make an about face and apologize for the incident, after initially defending it.

Why does it take even a civilized backlash to get some people to do the right thing? Why is it that they think bashing Christianity is OK?

When will it stop?

The outrage is reminiscent of a South Carolina teacher’s stomping on an American flag – again, a convenient target but a most regrettable one. The incident exploded nationwide, angering veterans and other patriots and leading to the teacher’s firing. He appealed his termination.

It’s interesting that the symbols that get stomped are always those of traditional American values. Why is that?

And if these educators know so much about the power of symbols, how do they keep having them blow up in their faces?

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Truth Matters
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Truth Matters 03/28/13 - 03:23 am
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Religion

I would agree that whatever the intent of the lesson it more than fell flat and the student who refused to go along is to be commended.

After sitting through several performances of a Passion Play recently, I am reminded how all Christians need to comport themselves in action and speech so that it is not even necessary to tell others you are a Christian because they will know it by the way one lives. There are many examples of the Christian brand being tainted by those who do evil while calling themselves a Christian. Let's not pretend that it is only other religions that have that problem.

Look at the Westboro Church. Does anyone think they are an apt standard bearer of the Christian church when they taunt families going through bereavement? There actions mean the rest of use must work a little bit harder to mitigate the negative impression they give of Christianity. Many followers of Islam are faced with the same challenge.

People would rather see a sermon than hear one!

Truth Matters
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Truth Matters 03/28/13 - 03:26 am
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Oops

There=their

palmetto1008
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palmetto1008 03/28/13 - 04:42 am
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One could argue that the
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One could argue that the lesson was quite successful...spawning national attention and even a lead editorial from the AC...for demonstrating the power of symbols.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 03/28/13 - 04:56 am
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A lesson demonstrated out of

A lesson demonstrated out of disrespect and condemnation is not a lesson at all.

ymnbde
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ymnbde 03/28/13 - 05:14 am
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centrally controlled government schools

have been coercing our children into the big government "pseudo-value" system for a few generations now.
The only way to get it back is to have school choice, and remove our children from their control.
Rich people have that choice, and it's deliberately kept from poor children.

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 03/28/13 - 05:18 am
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yes we need school

yes we need school choice..the dims who say they are the champions of choice...are silent at best about school choice..

Rhetor
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Rhetor 03/28/13 - 06:00 am
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Well, sure

The professor was out of line. However, instead of us Christians getting defensive every time our beliefs are under attack, maybe we could just look into ourselves with more care: how can we do a better job of practicing Christianity? Maybe we can follow the wisdom of the prophet Malachi and be merciful to the resident alien. We can remember the words of Jesus, and be generous to the poor. We can practice peace instead of violence. We can be honest as we practice politics (e.g., we can stop quoting one another inaccurately or out of context to score cheap debating points). We can look for ways to heal the sick. We can love our neighbor as we love ourselves. We can stop worrying so much about other people's sins, and try to reform our own.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 03/28/13 - 06:18 am
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Gov. Huckabee had it right.

Gov. Huckabee had it right. He said the student should have written the professor's name on the paper and stomped on that. Again, that is one of those moments in life that no one wants, but it requires doing the right thing and confronting the authority and situation with a loud, "NO!"

soapy_725
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soapy_725 03/28/13 - 06:40 am
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Why should Christians expect respect?
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Our Lord and Savior was not respected. Even in his home town. He was put to death being totally innocent. Ours is not to question, but to share the message of The Savior who died for the sins of mankind. Sins of rebellion against the will of Almighty God.

Be bold witnesses the the only source of salvation, Jesus Christ, available to human beings. Their is no other name that can bring salvation. Lift up the name of Jesus. The only power the True Church has is the name of Jesus. His name saves, heals and transforms lives. One heart at a time. Neither church affiliation or church doctrine conformity can save a sinner.

Jesus said of Himself, He did come to destroy the LAW. He came to fulfill the LAW. So the laws of God were important to Jesus. While we are under GRACE, Jesus taught us by example to do the will of His and Our Father.

soapy_725
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soapy_725 03/28/13 - 06:49 am
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More "red letters" for Bible scholars.....
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Jesus to would be disciples,

Deny your own self..... I am nothing and Jesus is everything. Good bye ego.

Take up your cross.....personal and outward sign that your are guilty and represent the need of salvation to others. Share the shame and reproach of your Master

Follow me.....advance the work of reconciling all mankind to the Father through Jesus Christ. Go into all the world and preach the Gospel.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 03/28/13 - 07:11 am
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Dumbing Down

The assignment to stomp on a piece of paper shows how far down the quality scale our institutions of higher learning have slid. If parents only knew what their hard-earned tuition dollars are paying for these days.

myfather15
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myfather15 03/28/13 - 07:49 am
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@truth usually doesn't matter

I agree with your statement for the most part. BUT, the difference is that myself and MOST other Christians I know, DENOUNCE Westboro Baptist "Church" as a bunch of lunes. Matter of fact, if they come around here protesting a soldiers funeral, I might be in jail myself.

BUT, in Radical Islam you won't get the MAJORITY to denounce the extremist terrorist view in Islam. Yes, you will have a few here and there denounce it, but for the most part they remain silent about the lunatics in their religion.

myfather15
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myfather15 03/28/13 - 07:48 am
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But, I also believe that

But, I also believe that Christians firing back is EXACTLY what they are hoping for. Why? Because it would make it APPEAR as if we are no better than them. Christians are NOT radicals, we WITNESS for our God and allow HIM to take care of the people like this "Professor", when that time comes. We realize it isn't our place to take vengence upon people like this, at least not physically. We absolutely SHOULD stand up and voice our opposition, but not burn his house down or threaten to kill him.

The left likes to paint us as radicals simply because we stand up for what we believe in (Tradition marriage, against abortion). All the while giving radical Islamists a free pass when they behead gays and women who cheat on their husbands. Why? Because it's NOT Islamists they hate, it's Christians. They would LOVE to see us rise up in violent protests against this "Professor". They would LOVE to see us take to the streets, burning cars, defecating on police cars, burning flags, etc. Because that would show us to be EXACTLY like them, but we are better than that. They have a plan, it's called "bottom up, top down, inside out". They would LOVE to see the bottom come up (US) so they could come down on us.

But, we will have patience until the right time, then vengence shall be His.

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 03/28/13 - 07:50 am
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Riverman 1

For the first time ever, I actually agree with RM 1 and Huckabee! The best strategy for responding to speech you don't like is more speech! That's what the "traditional American value" of free speech is all about. FAU's response to the incident included two mistakes. The first, if in fact it actually happened (which is far from established), was Rotella's suspension. If that happened, an apology was appropriate. FAU's other mistake was censoring the teacher and banning other such teaching exercises. There are legitimate reasons for limiting free speech, but some teenage college student getting his Mormon religious sensibilities ruffled is not among them.

seenitB4
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seenitB4 03/28/13 - 08:39 am
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Common sense where did it go

The more I read about happennings in schools & colleges the more I realize we have to change the education system in the US...it is not working anymore.....we spend billions & for what....to teach kids to stomp on a paper with Jesus on it..

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 03/28/13 - 08:39 am
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God, Father or Godfather???

myfather15: "we WITNESS for our God and allow HIM to take care of the people like this 'Professor', when that time comes." "[T]o take care of"?? You make God sound like a mafioso! Just wondering, will He order "taking care" of the "Professor" with a gat or just a simple hand gun?

GiantsAllDay
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GiantsAllDay 03/28/13 - 09:17 am
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There is not a happier person

There is not a happier person on the face of the earth than a Christian who thinks he is being persecuted, hence this letter by ACES. EEL, the mafioso analogy is a good one, but I like Christopher Hitchens' comparison better. He compared God to the ruler of North Korea.

"People are frightened of death, and the central lie of all religion is that there’s a cure for this and an exception we’ve made in your own case: an eternal life offered if you make the right propitiations and the right abjections. Well, I’m sorry. I think that it's the height of immorality to lie to people like that. That’s why [religion] survives.”
[Religious belief] is a totalitarian belief. It is the wish to be a slave. It is the desire that there be an unalterable, unchallengeable, tyrannical authority who can convict you of thought crime while you are asleep, who can subject you - who must, indeed, subject you - to total surveillance around the clock every waking and sleeping minute of your life - I say, of your life - before you're born and, even worse and where the real fun begins, after you're dead. A celestial North Korea. Who wants this to be true? Who but a slave desires such a ghastly fate? I've been to North Korea. It has a dead man as its president, Kim Jong-Il is only head of the party and head of the army. He's not head of the state. That office belongs to his deceased father, Kim Il-Sung. It's a necrocracy, a thanatocracy. It's one short of a trinity I might add. The son is the reincarnation of the father. It is the most revolting and utter and absolute and heartless tyranny the human species has ever evolved. But at least you can ****ing die and leave North Korea!"

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deestafford 03/28/13 - 09:11 am
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There is so much to be discussed in this incident

The person who refused to stomp on the paper with Jesus written on it is a Muslim. This shows that people of non-Christian faiths are not the ones offended by Christian symbols and activities but the agitators. Many of other faiths will wish their fellow Christians "'Merry Christmas" of "Happy Eater". It's just the idiotic PC aggitators who cause the problems and commotion...those looking for publicity.
The thing about Christianity that bugs the stew out of the left is Christianity has absolutes and does not float around in a sea of relativity that the left so often swims in. You see if you have abosolutes you have truths and rules. If all is relative you have neither.

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 03/28/13 - 09:34 am
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GAD

I sorely miss Christopher Hitchens, a great "Born Again" American.
His North Korean analogy is scarily accurate. I was just picking up on myfather15's bizarre wording....

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 03/28/13 - 09:38 am
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deestafford

Is your comment tongue in cheek? Ryan Rotela a Muslim? Don't think so.
Every news outlet I can find reports he is Mormon. You really should stop watching Fox News so much....

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 03/28/13 - 09:41 am
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deestafford--hit it right on

deestafford--hit it right on the head..we will say you nailed it..thank you

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 03/28/13 - 09:58 am
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nofan

I guess you must be referring to deestafford's talk about Christian "absolutes." I know what you mean. Absolutes make life sooooo much easier. All that really hard thinking you don't have to do!

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 03/28/13 - 11:25 am
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eef--please explain yourself

eef--please explain yourself after you get off your pedistal..actually its got to be easier to believe in nothing than to believe in universal truths..\

specsta
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specsta 03/28/13 - 12:40 pm
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Introspection

Rhetor @ 7:00 am - What a great response to this editorial! Well, said...

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 03/28/13 - 02:13 pm
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nofan

If you mean my "pedestal," I will give it a shot. Believing in universal truths seems pretty easy to me--just open the Bible and follow directions.

For most religious people, believing in universal truths is pretty easy. They are taught that they exist by their parents and at their church / synagogue / temple, whatever. The religious people I know have simply grown up believing--little thought goes into it. At best, the only times life-long religious people really think is when doubt enters their mind and they wonder if all they've been taught is true.

Those of us who start with the belief that so far as values are concerned there is nothing have lots of work to do. We have to create our own values, which takes long hard thought, imagination, and creativity. The process of value creating, of "soul making," is NOT, I repeat NOT a recipe for relativism. To explain why that is true would take more time and effort than I am willing to give this afternoon.

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 03/28/13 - 02:50 pm
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you assert that we who

you assert that we who believe in universal values have it easy is naive at best..making blanket statements such as "most" is presumptious at best and insulting...if you and everyone who creates their own values ...and if values are created then they are meaninless...just like truth if everyone has truth their is no truth...and if this is not relativism then you do not know the meaning of the word....for your struggle for values is its very meaning ...so i use to believe in existentialism til i saw the truth. ..and it was external and revealed by GOD..but if you create your own truth and values you are a god unto yourself..sounds like the first sin hey..

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 03/28/13 - 03:10 pm
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nofan

Have a nice day!

InChristLove
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InChristLove 03/28/13 - 03:19 pm
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" The religious people I know

" The religious people I know have simply grown up believing--little thought goes into it. At best, the only times life-long religious people really think is when doubt enters their mind and they wonder if all they've been taught is true. "

Seems pretty shallow and really not an example of someone who has a close personal relationship with Christ. They may say they are religious and those who don't know better might view them as religious but it sounds more like play acting at church to fool the masses.

It is quit apparent that many have not been expose to true Christianity and are basing and forming opinions on false conceptions. If you think truth is the values you decide, then the belief you start with is an "it's all about me" concept and your values are based on selfish egotism and not truth.

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 03/28/13 - 03:33 pm
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EEF-you too!

EEF-you too!

Fiat_Lux
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Fiat_Lux 03/28/13 - 03:38 pm
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Waste. Of. Time!

Or do some of us simply enjoy banging our heads against the brick walls among us?

Quit debating with them, because it won't change them. In point of fact, who knows: some of them already may have blown off their last chance. If not, this comments forum won't bring them any closer to salvation, I promise.

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