What the courts see

Law professionals have front-row seats to society's slow breakdown

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If you want to know how widespread the flu is in your community, ask your doctors and nurses. They’re on the front lines.

Likewise, if we want to gauge how sick society may be from a behavioral and moral standpoint, maybe we should ask the people on the front lines: those protecting us in the criminal justice system.

The Augusta Chronicle editorial staff did just that recently, interviewing two Augusta judges and our district attorney to find out what they see on a daily basis, and what it might say about our society.

We were struck immediately by two things: How deep they see the problems in our society getting, and how close to the surface it is when you ask them.

They weren’t just ready to talk about it. They were itching to.

“We see it every day,” District Attorney Ashley Wright says of the dysfunction crowding the courts.

“It’s very disturbing,” adds Superior Court Judge David Roper. “I feel like the country’s lost its moral compass. (The compass) is spinning – it’s not just pointing in the wrong direction; it’s pointing in 15 different directions.”

Superior Court Judge Danny Craig offers an even more ominous metaphor: that intact, highly functional, law-abiding, get-the-kids-to-school-and-soccer-practice families are on a melting glacier.

“Those people do not have any idea about the fact that their little glacier is melting,” Craig says. “I don’t know when they’re going to realize that their little glacier is melting, but we’re headed toward something cataclysmic.”

It’s not just the volume of criminals or the severity of their crimes, either; it’s also the underlying attitudes and behaviors that give rise to the rampant antisocial behavior these three professionals see. Numbers of crimes go up and down, but the pathology behind them only seems to be getting worse.

Craig, who’s been in the criminal justice system since 1979, including as Wright’s predecessor as chief prosecutor, says, “It’s very different. It’s extraordinarily different than it was in 1979. It is a society that has lost its way. There is a rapidly growing segment of our society that has no moral compass – coupled with extraordinarily inferior education that causes them to be unproductive and desperate.”

What these professionals in the trenches see is an unending parade of increasingly illiterate, immature, antagonistic and amoral folks who often not only can’t get along but consciously decide not to. In evidentiary recordings, Wright notes, “We hear men talking about their girlfriends in language that I wouldn’t use to describe a dog. And I’m not just talking about calling somebody a b----. They talk about women as objects. And they literally hop from bed to bed to bed to bed to bed. There’s a complete lack of respect.”

Of course, we’ve seen unprecedented erosion in the institutions of family, church and school – marriage is on the run, for instance, and church attendance that used to be 60 percent or more is now closer to 20 percent. In the absence of those institutions that used to give us moral guidance and day-to-day structure, increasing numbers of Americans are making it all up as they go along, with a coarse, anything-goes entertainment culture to add fuel.

“We’re 50 years after the ’60s, and we’re paying a huge price for the conduct of the ’60s,” Roper opines. “Conduct that for centuries, for millennia, was deemed immoral is now OK, or at least it’s tolerated. And the ‘tolerated’ is just as bad as saying it’s OK.”

“There’s a picture of everybody doing everything” on the Internet, Wright laments.

“This may be offensive to

some,” says Craig, “but the truth is, there is a significant segment of our population that does not have the intellectual filter to not emulate these violent videos and this violence they’re seeing in network programming.”

We have entertainment media, and increasingly broadcast news media, that scoff at and mock traditional American values and celebrate and promote selfish, shortsighted and destructive behaviors – while never quite explaining the consequences, which they make money reporting on.

Well, the rest of us need to discuss the consequences. The glacier is, indeed, melting.

The judges try to have that discussion – engaging defendants and litigants in conversation about how they even landed before a judge. Roper says he often asks recipients of vast public benefits where the money came from. Most can’t say, beyond the government.

“I have not had, I think, but one respondent who said it comes from tax money. You can see that there is not a logical process that takes them to that conclusion.”

Often, the litigants can’t accept they’ve done anything wrong. “They will sit there in the courtroom and justify” their behavior, Craig says. “I find it alarming. It shocks the conscience. And you think that, ‘Gosh, I just can’t imagine what your limits are, if in fact you’re able to rationalize this behavior.’

“Americans are the masters of rationalization.”

Like the family drunk, Craig says, society may have to hit bottom before we realize it’s there.

“You can’t really help that drunk until he hits rock bottom,” he says. “You just can’t. So the question really becomes, how much more of this tragedy will America stand before it will have hit rock bottom and decide that it’s just not going to tolerate it anymore?”

So, what to do?

The first step may be to have a broad-based community discussion among court, law enforcement, religious, educational and other officials. Both judges we talked to, for instance, decried the lack of education they see in their litigants, even discounting that many are dropouts.

“I don’t understand why our schools cannot teach children to read, write and do simple mathematics,” Roper told us. “I heard (President Obama) … talking about some high schools providing technical training. Wonderful! I would be real happy if the people before me could read, write and do simple mathematics. They can’t function without that in life.”

Litigants who enter their own pleadings in court, Craig says, can’t spell common words, can’t form sentences with a subject, verb and object, and have no command of punctuation whatsoever. Such failings can make even low-level employment problematic.

Craig has a surprising recommendation: that highly functioning, law-abiding citizens step up their game and pitch in even more.

If 150 million adult Americans spent three hours a day online or in front of a television – which Craig admits is probably a conservative figure – that would be 450 million hours each day. It only took 7 million man hours to erect the Empire State Building, Craig notes – meaning that we while away some 65 Empire State Buildings every day. And Craig’s view is that much of that time, particularly spent gossiping and carping online, is worse than wasted: It’s harmful and neglectful.

Maybe instead of sharing photos of our dinner on Facebook, we should actually break bread more often in person.

“Even those people who think that they are living in the very best way that they could live, I think they need to take an inventory of things and then engage some analysis about how they might go about leading a better life,” Craig says. “We should all change our behavior. We should all determine whether the way that we spend our days, the way that we spend our weeks, the way that we spend our years, when we’re called to account for how we spent our time, are ways of which we would be very proud and would say to ourselves, ‘I don’t know how I could have spent my time better.’”

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Riverman1
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Riverman1 02/24/13 - 07:57 am
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Why Public Officials Hate the Internet

Danny Craig is a super nice person, concerned about others and a capable judge. Kudos to the other two, also. Judge Craig is accurate that society has changed over the years, but let’s put the blame where it should be. Government programs that have destroyed traditional black families. The government gives unmarried poor women money to have kids is the bottom line.

Spending time on the Internet is not destroying families as Craig says. I’ve heard everything blamed on the disintegration of the American family over the years. Talking on the phone, watching too much TV, reading too much and going to movies have all been blamed for America’s problems in my time when it’s actually the government giving money to unwed mothers that is the real problem.

I’m always quick to take up for those on the Internet and if Craig sees the public having unlimited knowledge and communications with those with specific information as gossiping, I believe he is feeling the scrutiny the Internet provides as are other public officials and traditional media. Let something happen that ends up a news story and in a few days the truth of the matter will come out in online comments. Things can’t be hidden anymore.

I would encourage the sensitive and intelligent Judge Craig to view the Internet and those making comments the same as he views those who talk on the phone. Some good, some bad, some wise, some stupid, some fun and some boring. Now, come on and tell us your screen name, Danny.

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dstewartsr 02/24/13 - 10:07 am
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If Messrs. Craig and Roper

... want to directly engage people -- rather than look down and do pronouncements from their olympian thrones -- the internet, and specifically this forum, is a place to do that. Engage those who are the loudest proponents of the value-less lifestyle. To do otherwise is to sit on the sidelines and impotently wring their hands when they should be speaking up, advocating, one-to-one, instead of dazzling the local reporters, providing with quotes for the next election.

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Austin Rhodes 02/24/13 - 10:46 am
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LOL

There is a serious distinction between people who interact discussing news events of the day (a VERY small percentage of those using the internet around here), and the gangbanger wannabes, and freaks who post nekkid pictures of themselves slamming shots of tequila. BIG difference, and Judge Craig understands the difference.

Riverman LOVES to extol the virtues of the anonymous internet pundits...but check out the comments section of the Jail Report's Facebook page. It DWARFS the activity here and on other professional news pages. The amateur news pages around here have come and gone like the wind.

When someone commits a crime of note...compare and contrast what goes on THERE vs. what goes on HERE. Pretty scary.

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chipster48 02/24/13 - 10:51 am
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melting glazier

The judges and district attorney are making observations and warnings
, not pronouncements. I go to a downtown church which has multiple outreach programs to the poor and underserved. I have engaged several politicians with a solution that will work towards the education gap in our public schools. Specifically, have a business entity adopt schools and have support programs, i.e. tutoring, to help change the culture of victimhood so prevalent in our county. Those who volunteer their time will be as enriched as those they help. Mr. Craig was correct in his metaphor..the glacier is melting!

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deestafford 02/24/13 - 11:13 am
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Excellent editorial and hats off to the judges.

As to the comments about the impact of the internet as pointed out by the commenters... the internet like any other tool can be used for good or bad. I think the commenters are some who wisely see the good things that can come from it;whereas, the judge is talking about those who come before him use it only for the negative things it can do. They do not use it in a positive way to increase knowlege and break out of their downward skid.
This editorial, while not saying it, explains why we see so many statistics and so many people with various motives bemoaning, "We now have the widest gap between the rich and the poor that we ever have!" What are the odds of the people coming before these judges ever being anything but poor! Almost nil. We are the products of our choices. You can look at the life of anyone and look at the decisions THEY made and you can explain why they are where they are. If we refuse to get an education because "It's acting white" or we have multiple children with multiple fathers or father multiple children by multiple women we continue to produce tens of thousands of offspring who will grow up to be poor and criminals because that's what their role models are. For the most part the poor keep getting poorer and the rich keep getting richer because they keep doing what made them poor or what made them rich.
Thankfully, the numbers of those the judges seen are fewer than they could be because some are giving of their time and money to mentor those who have or could have come before these judges. Too bad there are not more positive mentors who could reach even more.

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walrus4ever 02/24/13 - 11:32 am
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When, not if, the day comes

When, not if, the day comes that the government cannot prop up those who choose to feed off the producers we will really see the worst of our society. The deep thinkers are aware of this and it reflects in our military running drills in our neighborhoods and attempts to diminish our ability to defend ourselves .

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Bizkit 02/24/13 - 11:48 am
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Heck, even progressives

Heck, even progressives realize the country has lost its compass. Note how Obama addressed the decay of the family unit and its relation to violence. This isn't just made up observations but there is science behind these observations too. We have an epidemic of youth violence in the making because of the loss of the family unit, loss of normal socialization because of the internet (problems with males and normal interactions with women-our youth are becoming perverted and treat women like sex objects), violent games, etc. Unfortunately progressives can't do anything about it without dissin' their voter base and Rep are depicted as religious zealots for any comments. WHO has studied this and provide some suggestions to address the problem. .

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KasparHauser 02/24/13 - 12:18 pm
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Heresy in the Corridors of Power
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1st - An Augustan refers to a get-the-kids-to-soccer instead of a get-the-kids-to-'Murican-football?

2nd - An Augustan refers to a melting glacier, as if we don't all know they aren't melting at all?

Perhaps if Craig wants to meet a better 'class' of crooks he needs become a corporate lawyer or stick to the civil lists? What does he expect to see when he's immersed himself in a profession that is, by definition, full of people not scared/intelligent enough to obey the law and bow to the power structure it attempts to preserve? Oh, and let's not forget that the local power structure continued to treat some of these citizens as still only 3/5ths of a person until the late 1960s.

Similarly, this isn't Lake Woebegone, and not all the children can be above average.

(Oh, btw, how many people died building the Empire State Building, and how much were they PAID to do that work?)

Reminds me of the famous moaning from the bench in:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nebBpi6DZeg

Finally, I wonder what the judges and bourgeoise had to say about Jefferson and Franklin when they denied the OBVIOUS DIVINE RIGHT OF KING GEORGE in that Declaration of Independence rag?!

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grinder48 02/24/13 - 11:58 am
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Problem Solved
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We can all take heart in the fact that Richard Roundtree is going to solve all this with his community involvement initiative.

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soapy_725 02/24/13 - 12:27 pm
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Evil is a function of the heart and not
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the wallet. Millionaires steal every day. Street people steal every day. Millionaires kill other humans. Homeless people kill other human.

Those with jobs lie, cheat, steal and murder. The jobless lie, cheat, steal and murder.

Evil is inherent and taught, but in the end, it is a personal choice.

Mentoring by the ARC sheriff, or a commissioner/successful businessman will not help. Even the mentoring of a minister, priest, youth director or teacher may be dangerous.

The only mentors that can change lives are those that would lead another to the "saving grace of Jesus Christ". There isn't another "perfect example" in the universe.

There is a "life path" that leads to internal peace, joy and eternal life. It is a "life path" of personal discipline and dedication to righteousness. it is a life path of treating other humans as you would like to be treated. Life is sacred because Almighty God made it so.

Buy and distribute some copies of Pilgrim's Progress along with Bibles. Some copies of the Protestant Work Ethic would be of benefit as well.

What motivates a Righteous Heart? Find that answer before you begin to teach the young.

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dichotomy 02/24/13 - 12:51 pm
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The government is practicing

The government is practicing for the crash.....they are conducting military exercises in major cities across the country. The criminals have been honing their skills for years. The rest of the public needs to smarten up and get prepared quickly. What's coming is obvious to those who see the big picture, even the local judges. For a preview of what is coming go rent Escape From New York or Escape From L.A.....okay....okay....that is a bit dramatic. Just review some news footage from the L.A. Rodney King riots. Our unemployed, too much time on their hands, government dependent society is one finger snap from seeing that on a national level. And they want to know why law abiding people need 30 round magazines.

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Darby 02/24/13 - 01:04 pm
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Truth be told, they who control the schools....

control our future.

Right now, that would be the libertines. Think about it.

Unless we get back control of our children, all is lost. Our schools work to undo the morality that some parents try to instill. Other parents don't even try, themselves being products of the same system.

Our schools concentrate on America's faults and weaknesses rather than it's strengths. They stress that we are no better and no worse than any other nations. That we are aggressive and militaristic.

These teachings are sometimes overt and sometimes subliminal but they are pervasive. How can kids feel pride in their country and by extension, themselves?

Yes, all schools have a handful of good teachers. However, most are those who were the dregs of academia. Students who themselves couldn't make it in any other field.

If the standards were high enough, they wouldn't be teaching either. In the final analysis, they produce far too much of the product that ends up in front of prosecutors and judges.

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pelumaad 02/24/13 - 01:23 pm
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Makers and takers...

A society that divides itself into worthy and unworthy is living on borrowed time.
We're all in this together.
A white middle class siege mentality is just as sick as an underclass surrender mentality.

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CobaltGeorge 02/24/13 - 03:13 pm
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Handwritting On The Wall

Ten comments above that has been written on the wall in Bold Blood Red words. So many can not accept or understands those words written.
All I can say is: Wait will the Straw Breaks The Camels Back. Those many would have wished they had read those walls.

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seenitB4 02/24/13 - 03:44 pm
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I agree with the good Judge on this...

Superior Court Judge Danny Craig offers an even more ominous metaphor: that intact, highly functional, law-abiding, get-the-kids-to-school-and-soccer-practice families are on a melting glacier.

“Those people do not have any idea about the fact that their little glacier is melting,” Craig says. “I don’t know when they’re going to realize that their little glacier is melting, but we’re headed toward something cataclysmic.”

It’s not just the volume of criminals or the severity of their crimes, either; it’s also the underlying attitudes and behaviors that give rise to the rampant antisocial behavior these three professionals see. Numbers of crimes go up and down, but the pathology behind them only seems to be getting worse.

Also agree with RM on this...
Government programs that have destroyed traditional black families.

The Judge doesn't see the cream of the crop in his job....& our programs are not working.....we are not voting for the cream of the crop either......& I don't see a change anytime soon....maybe the Good Judges can come together & come up with a plan...
The citizens haven't..

Darby
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Darby 02/24/13 - 04:17 pm
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"A white middle class siege mentality....

is just as sick as an underclass surrender mentality."
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I'm still trying to make up my mind whether that is profound or just vacuous.

I'd like to reply with that age old axiom, "If they're really out to get you, it ain't paranoia."

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oldredneckman96 02/24/13 - 04:16 pm
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Family
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Communist know that to destroy the USA requires that the family unit must be destroyed. They are doing that by rewriting what is a family, removing the rights of a family, putting government in place of family. Osama and his left wing group is leading the charge to the bottom.

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harley_52 02/24/13 - 05:08 pm
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This Is A Superb Editorial...

And I think the comments of the Judges and the Prosecutor are right on target.

These folks live where the rubber meets the road. They have a bird's eye view of the results of societal decay Their observations should be instructive to those who are supposed to be leading, teaching, and mentoring the young as they learn what's important in life and the role of each citizen in making society a better place for all.

This comment, in particular, by Judge Roper hits the nail on the head...."

“We’re 50 years after the ’60s, and we’re paying a huge price for the conduct of the ’60s,” Roper opines. “Conduct that for centuries, for millennia, was deemed immoral is now OK, or at least it’s tolerated. And the ‘tolerated’ is just as bad as saying it’s OK.”

I can give you a one word reason for what's brought about the decline of society....LIBERALISM. It's a sickness. It has nearly destroyed society. Nobody is responsible for anything. Parents are not responsible for what their children do (or fail to do) and neither are the children. Children now sue their parents. Teachers in school let children get away with all manner of anti-social behavior, instead concentrating on ludicrous "zero tolerance" programs which makes "leadership" something that could just as easily be performed by a monkey, or a robot, as a college educated "teacher."

The ONLY solution I see is to bring back the long lost notions of personal responsibility. The actions (or inactions) of all of us should have consequences. Bad behavior should merit bad consequences. Really bad behavior, really bad consequences.

I'm a believer that we need to bring back orphanages. If parents are incapable, or unwilling, to educate and train their children in accordance with societal norms, the children should be removed from those "parents" and raised by somebody else. I don't mean foster parents either. Often they're just as bad as the original parents and there's too much opportunity for "gaming" the system for personal enrichment.

AutumnLeaves
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AutumnLeaves 02/24/13 - 05:12 pm
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Why are progressives, not?

Why are progressives, not?

Riverman1
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Riverman1 02/24/13 - 05:19 pm
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In Reply to Austin

Austin said, "There is a serious distinction between people who interact discussing news events of the day (a VERY small percentage of those using the internet around here), and the gangbanger wannabes, and freaks who post nekkid pictures of themselves slamming shots of tequila. BIG difference, and Judge Craig understands the difference.
Riverman LOVES to extol the virtues of the anonymous internet pundits...but check out the comments section of the Jail Report's Facebook page. It DWARFS the activity here and on other professional news pages. The amateur news pages around here have come and gone like the wind."

I don’t care what part of the news interests’ Internet it is. I take up for most of them. I don’t agree with saying breaking bread in person is better than commenting on the Internet if it was meant in a negative way as it was. We all understand there is an obscene part of the net as there are porn movies and places you can call on the phone for graphic sex talk. We all understand that’s not what Craig or I’m talking about. He was talking about “gossiping” on the net in a negative way.

You mentioned the popularity of jail reports and downplayed the activity here of those reading the newspaper online and commenting. Personally, I find reading the Chronicle and commenting online far more rewarding than interacting with the various jail reports out there. It says something deleterious about our society when advertisers are willing to pay for ads in various sites for such a narrow main news focus of showing mug shots.

Again, this is just me and I know many enjoy it, but I’d rather see advertising supporting a news gathering, editorializing newspaper which is an asset to our community.

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specsta 02/25/13 - 01:35 am
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True Fault

When the US government decided that creating a military-industrial complex was far more important than educating our children in the best way possible, the avalanche toward mediocrity started its descent in our nation.

When a country spends 653 BILLION on bombs, bullets, tanks, other military expenditures, and only a measly 72 billion on education, what exactly do you think will happen? We wind up with an uneducated mass of people, unable to think for themselves, resulting in a society of sheep who believe any-and-every thing - like actually believing that movies and music videos is real life.

We wind up with a society that must be told what to do at all times, removing independent thought and action. We wind up with a society that embraces violence, vengeance and war as a way of life, and then we act surprised when teenagers act out what society has told them is okay. Parents take their kids to see the most violent films imaginable, yet these same parents want to march on Washington if a woman's nipple is shown on prime-time television.

We have taught the children that violence is okay. That spending money on new methods to kill people is more important than making sure little Jimmy can read, spell and count. That independent thinking is abhorred, while a cookie-cutter compliance by all is the goal.

The US outspends China (the second largest military power) 6-1 and spends more on the military than the combined defense budgets of THIRTEEN other countries.

There is no need for surprise or dropped jaws. This country is reaping what it has sown, and the poor and uneducated are the ones who suffer, just as they have always suffered. The current condition of America has nothing to do with "morals" or lack of going to church or not enough praying or a removal from the "Leave It To Beaver" days - it is strictly a condition related to how taxpayer funds are dispersed in this country. It is purely economic.

When the "powers-that-be" decided that cluster bombs were more important than textbooks and nutritious school meals, the final nails were driven into the coffin of neglect. We have failed our offspring. And most folks are too blind to notice the real cause. And that's how THEY want it. Blame the poor, blame the lack of morals, blame the latest rap video - blame anything but the fact that money went to bullets instead of books.

"A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual doom." Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

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seenitB4 02/24/13 - 07:13 pm
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Please specsta

Don't make me gag.....I know you don't want to hear about the past but I'm going there....
We had torn schoolbooks...worn chalkboards....& walked to school.....we ate the lunches they served or did without.....we didn't demand anything....& if we misbehaved in school we not only got a spanking there but also at home...the difference today is...

Children don't behave in school....don't respect the teachers....& some could care less about learning ANYTHING...it is a ME ME ME society...24/7....the parents want to sue the school system if their little darlings are mistreated in any way....BIG difference....pitful & disgusting.

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harley_52 02/24/13 - 07:17 pm
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The Philosopher Plato....

.. believed that two of the most important questions that a society needed to address were: (1) what will society teach its children and (2) who will do the teaching.

We have allowed the ultra-left to do the teaching and allowed them to teach whatever they chose.

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Austin Rhodes 02/24/13 - 07:44 pm
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Specsta...

Kinda hard to compare what we spend on our military as compared to China. They get to use slave labor and political prisoners to do much of their work for them. Also...the kids in the Asian countries have zero academic freedom...they are tracked into certain fields at early ages, and if they don't like it...tough. Wanna go that way here?

The freedoms we embrace in America have always been great...UNTIL we took the consequences of true failure out of the equation. We don't have the stomach to be as hard on irresponsible parents and baby makers as we need to be to solve the problems.

KSL
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KSL 02/24/13 - 07:54 pm
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Well said, seenit

With far less money spent, children came out of the 8th grade in my grandfather's day than they do high school today. Private schools shell out less per pupil and turn out better results.

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Willow Bailey 02/24/13 - 08:13 pm
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Nothing and I mean nothing

Nothing and I mean nothing can take the place of a PAIR of hard working, God honoring parentS. Not the village, not the school, not the church, and certainly not the government. The road to family recovery will most likely begin when the government goes broke and it will be a slow, painful process.

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freeradical 02/24/13 - 09:59 pm
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" Marriage On The Run" , my eye!

" marriage is on the run " ?

Really?

Has this guy been living under a rock ?

Does he not have a clue that the masses are clamouring for more

marrige , and more marrige rights more than ever before ?

And that " marrige " was polled as one of the top concerns in the last

presidential election ?

Get a clue why don't you ?

Marriage is so popular today we even have a president that has evolved

on marriage since taking office .

The great evolution of marriage is only in it's infancy .

Marrige is exploding in its popularity .

How dim witted can this guy be ?

It is scary to think someone so uninformed is in such a position of

authority .

Darby
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Darby 02/24/13 - 10:33 pm
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Ever notice that some folks who write....

the longest and most verbose posts, say virtually the same thing in all of them, no matter what the subject or thread?

Just wondering if I am the only one to notice....

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Patty-P 02/24/13 - 10:43 pm
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specsta

Parents are the primary source for their children's upbringing. The government should be a last resort when parents need help. Nothing wrong with getting help but now it seems the gov is a complete substitute. It also surprises me with what some of these judges say, how they feel about the problems we all face, yet they do something totally different while wearing their robes.

KSL
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KSL 02/24/13 - 10:52 pm
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Patty

Absolutely.

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