They can't, and they shouldn't

Federal intrusion into pre-K years can't be afforded or allowed

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If Washington boasted trillion-dollar surpluses instead of trillion-dollar deficits. If Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid weren’t on the path to insolvency. If we weren’t already leaving our children more than $16 trillion in debt. If veterans were getting the care and services they deserve.

If all those things were true and Santa Claus really did ride in a sleigh, it would still be a horrible idea for the federal government to inject itself into pre-kindergarten “education,” as the president proposed Tuesday night.

With every challenge already facing America – including as much as $100 trillion in unfunded promises to care for future retirees, who are nudging closer to their golden years with each second – President Obama in his State of the Union actually suggested the federal government help “make high-quality preschool available to every child in America.”

No nation in history facing our financial challenges – no nation ever has faced our self-imposed challenges – could simultaneously cover all that deficit and debt and aging citizens and still create a universal preschool entitlement.

But never mind the fact that no such pixie dust exists. Do we really want the federal government reaching down into every citizen’s toddler years? Is the federal bureaucracy not enough of a parent already?

What kind of a surrogate parent is the government? You think it’s a good one?

And did Washington’s attempt to become our national school board go that well? Has its increasing involvement and expense since Jimmy Carter made schools better?

Not if you look at graduation rates, test scores and comparisons to student achievement in other industrialized nations.

How much more parental responsibility will the government annex?

This idea, and a whole laundry list of other top-down government-knows-best proposals, is a left-wing fantasy that Hillary Clinton’s 2008 campaign trotted out – as a present to the country that she was placing under the Christmas tree.

They never say where the money is coming from, and neither does Barack Obama. After releasing his wish list including $50 billion for infrastructure work and untold amounts for speculative alternative energy sources, education and more, he promised none of it would add a dime to the deficit.

Of course, he’s said that and made other promises repeatedly over the years, most of which have never been true. He promised to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term. He promised “not another dime” in taxes for those earning less than $250,000. He promised to take care of survivors of the Fort Hood shooting. He promised consequences for the Iranian assassination attempt of a Saudi diplomat on American soil. He promised to find those behind the Benghazi attack that killed four Americans and bring them to justice. He promised to close Guantanamo Bay. The list goes on and on and on.

Moreover, this promise that he can deliver all these things and not borrow another dime – maybe possible if he hikes taxes to ungodly levels – comes from a chief executive whose first few budgets earned not one vote in Congress from either party, and whose 2014 budget blueprint is now weeks late from its legal deadline.

Republicans noted that Obama has increased our debt in four years by 58.6 trillion dimes.

It is disgusting that this president Tuesday attempted to appropriate the word “investment” to serve as a euphemism for more spending and more power in Washington.

President Obama essentially proposed a new entitlement Tuesday, when the country’s foundation is collapsing under the weight of those we already have.

He’s right about one thing: America’s 4-year-olds had better get a quick education; they’ll have to start pulling down paychecks at age 5 just to cover all this spending.

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Riverman1
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Riverman1 02/16/13 - 08:14 am
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Income redistribution

Income redistribution continues. Their theme these days is we don't have a spending problem, but a problem of asset allocation. In other words, take from the rich. Pre-K will eventually be funded by property taxes as is the rest of the public school system. Just another step along the way to an economy that resembles those that have gone bust. Occupy Wall St. and occupy the assets of anyone of the upper 49% is the plan.

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Riverman1 02/16/13 - 08:20 am
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More of the Same

The Department of Agriculture Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack is in a radio ad telling Hispanic and women farmers to file claims for a share of $1.33 billion in cash awards if they THINK they have been discriminated against as part of Obama's “a new era of civil rights”

Che Guevara couldn't have been any more effective taking from those who have.

dichotomy
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dichotomy 02/16/13 - 09:57 am
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Studies prove that all

Studies prove that all "gains" of pre-school disappear by the 3rd year of school. In other words, all we do is kill a couple of years of childhood and provide a free babysitting service at a huge expense.

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soapy_725 02/16/13 - 10:07 am
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Modern Totalitarian states always take the
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children and indoctrinate them. Recruiting little soldiers to wave flags and sing the praises of their great leaders. Long live Big Brother ! !

Obama is not playing a game. Obama is not insane. He is a devout Marxist. A true believer in his religion of revolution. He is focused on his mission to destroy a free America. Obama hates America and everything is has every represented. Obama hates white people and longs to enslave their children.

Wake up sheeple. This is serious. No politics. Life and death. Does 1917, 1933 or 1949 bring back memories?

soapy_725
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soapy_725 02/16/13 - 10:11 am
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In Obama's eye.....
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the USSR, Cuba, N. Korea are not failures. They are simply revolutionary stepping stone toward the great revolution. The constant revolution.

Convincing people that by reinventing society, they are becoming more free and enlightened. When in reality they are becoming illiterate slaves to the STATE.

harley_52
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harley_52 02/16/13 - 10:14 am
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There Is A Reason....

....President Obama continues to propose new spending programs even in the face of evidence that A. those programs wont work and B. that the Economy is already crashing under the weight of current spending programs. Also, he continues to repeat his threat that "if Congress won't act, I will."

He is consciously and purposefully trying to bring "fundamental change" to the United States by destroying both her Economy and her Political System.

It's been plain as day since before his first election. He told us what he was going to do. Everything we knew about him gave us fair warning. In the face of it all, not only did we elect him once, we elected him twice. Over half the Country still gives him a favorable rating in polls.

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rmwhitley 02/16/13 - 10:17 am
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Let's see!
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If you're poor, you get welfare, medicare, low-cost housing, free cellphone, school lunches, now free pre-school kndergarten. I now see why there is an incentive to be a drug dealer. You live for free, can sell drugs and weapons for ALL profit and your chances of being caught are minimal. If you're a minority, the naacp, sclc, southern poverty law center and dept. of justice will sream DISCRIMINATION at the top of their lungs if you're accused. That sounds like a heck of an incentive plan to stay on the hood to me.

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soapy_725 02/16/13 - 10:20 am
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China is the new revolution.....
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that is why all of America's resources are being funneled east. The ultimate progressive front line. China is taking "collectivism" to a new level by embracing financial "capitalism" while increasing political and ideological control.

While the USA is being taught to hate honest labor and thrift. The USA where productivity is a burden less appreciated and dependency prized. China is praising productivity which leads to greatness.

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Little Lamb 02/16/13 - 10:35 am
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Good Editorial

I am so glad for the introduction of this editorial. There are so many programs that are wrong for government to do even if taxpayers could "afford" them. And I have seen the same evidence Dichotomy mentioned above. Yes, if you take four-year-olds and recite information to them, you will clap your hands with glee when they recite it back to you. You will say, "See how much they have learned! They will be more intelligent when they reach adulthood."

That is not true, however. Our intelligence, our capacity to learn is innate. Pre-K does not increase intelligence, knowledge, or wisdom.

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Red Headed Step Child 02/16/13 - 10:41 am
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On Obama's 2nd election...

I couldn't help but call to mind Jesus' words: "Father forgive them, for they know not what they do."

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Bizkit 02/16/13 - 11:18 am
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Society and culture are

Society and culture are against our education efforts. We use more technology and spend more money on education than any other country yet third world countries educate better for a fraction of the costs. We are imploding from the weight of our social and cultural decay. Our youth are begging for help-part of the violence is that plea. They look to adults for answers and look what they see our govt and other actually do-its shameful. We reap what we sow-or what was it-Oh yeah. The chickens dun come home to roost. Even Obama sees it with his comments about the family unit. He is finally talking about what science offers to deal with violence. I think even he realizes the futility of getting gun laws passed within his own party and their efficacy.

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404Law 02/16/13 - 11:32 am
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I am shocked...(then again maybe not)

I am really shocked and saddened by the profound ignorance on display in this editorial, and even more so by reader comments. "Government intrusion?!?!" "Another entitlement?!?!" Let's think about this for one second: It is considered an entitlement program when the government wants to use tax payer dollars in an effort to provide equal access to education, but it isn't an entitlement when Morris (AC) asks the Augusta city government (using taxpayer dollars) to pay for all kinds of things including a pedestrian bridge to nowhere? Or to guarantee protection to the bank (using tax payers dollars) that lends the AC money to stave off bankruptcy and subsequently pay your salaries so you can write utter nonsense? I am shocked, but then again...I should expect this from editors who are still paying back federal education loans (tax payer dollars, mind you) because they were not smart enough to earn college scholarships. Perhaps you could have benefited from that PreK program after all? Utter nonsense.

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harley_52 02/16/13 - 11:43 am
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The Federal Government...

...has no Constitutional, or rational role in the education of America's children. That goes for children 4 years old and children 18 years old (except for military training). No Constitutional role and no rational role. Period.

Red Headed Step Child
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Red Headed Step Child 02/16/13 - 11:57 am
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@404Law

I hear ya..but think about this: Is Pre-K REALLY where education dollars need to go? I'm all for money being invested into education, but it needs to be at the level where it has the most impact. I had one child in the Pre-K program thinking that it would be a great way for him to have a "head start" to his education. There was NOTHING he learned in Pre-K that he couldn't have learned in regular Kindergarten. I'm not knocking the Pre-K program at all - it's well intentioned - but the true educational impact comes in the later grades. I'd love to see more educational dollars invested in offering and/or enhancing trade / career training at the high school level.

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Humble Angela 02/16/13 - 12:26 pm
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There are really only 2 types
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There are really only 2 types of people who are in favor of pre-k education, and if they would just be honest with themselves it would be nice.
1) Those who bought the way the politicians who want to spend the money framed it--that if you don't do this, then you must not be in favor of educating children.

2) Those who want free babysitting service.

As mentioned before, studies show that the pre-k "learning" has a marginal success at best. If you are a good parent at all, your child will know his colors, alphabet, and how to count before she goes to school anyway, but if you would rather turn that responsibility over to the state, then do it on your own dime, because WE are out of dimes.

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PassingOnBy 02/16/13 - 12:26 pm
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Wow!

Those invoking the Constitution obviously have never read it or the millions of pages of documentation behind it. Education IS covered under the "common good" clause, along with the clauses that grant Congress the right to pass laws for the general welfare of the country. Are you, harley_52, saying that education is NOT for the common good?

It seems to me that most of you also have no clue as to what a proper education entails. Contrary to what "bizkit" says, our children are not clamoring for help in the way he thinks. They want consistency, true, but they also want standards that don't change if they move across the city/county/country. A child that goes to School A should be able to go to School B and pick up where s/he left off with no bumps or changes to the program.

The reasons other countries' students do consistently better than ours are 1) the curriculum is the same everywhere and 2) so is the budget. Individual school boards only exist to foster and maintain the standards set at national level with no funny business at the local level. They use the same texts, enrichment materials and grading standards, so there is a true measure of what the kids are learning.

Here, a child in Georgia is NOT learning the same material as a child in, say, Connecticut. When I was transferred here by my company, my child had a fit because it was obvious that the schools here are far behind the ones we left--almost two grades' difference in the material! Now my child HATES school and doesn't bother with the work as she sees it as nothing more than "filler". You can blame it on whatever you want, but she says it's all the preaching she hears (in "science") and the overwhelming need to interject racist and potentially treasonous personal beliefs (Social Studies). I hear that all the time from people who have been transferred here for various reasons. None of them are happy with the recidivist slant of Georgia education and the hate being taught along with Algebra.

Along with that, the textbooks are horrid! Did the CSRA school districts order them from Texas? If there was one standard, books pushed by people like David Barton would NEVER be allowed in any place of learning.

I lived in Georgia when the lottery first started and Pre-K received the mandate to use that money for younger kids. I didn't hear any whining about "government interference" then. In fact, what I heard was more along the lines of "Good! Educate those little 'welfare brats' (yes, that was said a lot) so they won't steal from us in the future!" Now I'm hearing that educating (mostly poorer-those who will most likely benefit from a national program) children is stealing from you. You can't have it both ways. BTW, the only stealing I've seen going on re Pre-K was the move to play with the terms of the lottery as it was voted upon and diverting the money away to other NON-education programs.

Oh, and as for those studies, "dichotomy" and "Little Lamb"--you must have only read summaries. Pre-K children DO learn and not just recite. They also DO retain the gains IF they go to schools that build on that learning and don't make them start over with kids who didn't attend Pre-K. As I suggested above, if you put a child in a class below their skill level, they are more likely to stop working. You're supposed to BUILD upon previous learning and not go back to the starting block every August.

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Young Fred 02/16/13 - 12:36 pm
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Gosh – what an argument. Let

Gosh – what an argument. Let me break it down to its base elements.

Results mean nothing.
Control means nothing.
Statistics and facts are just so much “flibbery-flabber-flu”

If you’re against this, you must hate the little childrenses!

Who, in their right mind would deny this opportunity to put these lil’ chillen’s on the “proper path” at such a young age? Money means nothing, debt means nothing, this is a long term investment into proper thinking/control!!! Who would deny such potential future dividends???

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Jon Lester 02/16/13 - 12:40 pm
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If your desire is to see more low-information voters

for the sake of electing Republicans, just say so. Education is a far better investment in America than our current levels defense spending.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 02/16/13 - 12:52 pm
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Indoctrination

Young Fred has hit on an important aspect of government-run pre-K programs, i.e., indoctrination of our young children with statist propaganda that the government knows best.

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harley_52 02/16/13 - 01:04 pm
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What Is The Constitutional Basis For....

...the federal government's involvement in the education of American children?

What is the annual operating budget for the ED?

How many are employed by the ED?

Do you know?

Do you care?

How has student performance changed since the ED was established?

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ultrarnr 02/16/13 - 01:30 pm
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Selective Entitlements
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Seems like the ACES is ok with the entitlement of lower taxes for the wealthy but not for trying to provide all children especially those of modest means with a start on a good education which is a way out of poverty. Could it be that they favor entitlements primarily for white people and not those that include a large number of children of color?

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Bizkit 02/16/13 - 01:47 pm
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It's a false argument that

It's a false argument that the Pre-K program would be a proper education. We have the best colleges and universities in the world however our public school education system is one of the poorest in the world. Why would anyone assume that a failed system would suddenly produces success??? The problem is a failed system that already exists why add another layer of likely failure. Gee folks. I don't think you understand the problem. Further the problem is now facing our colleges with more students needing remedial courses. The trend in education to chase pedogogy instead of content is one factor, and this grievance is now being addressed too with much more content in our primary grade teachers. I am all for supporting education but spending and money aren't the issue. I also think the move to too much technology isn't good because of the google effect. We have a generation of kids who need to be interested in STEM disciplines but care little for it-this is a huge problem for our future economy. We are throwing money hand over fist on STEM disciplines trying to attract students but there is little retention because of the rigors and students punt for an easier field. Many students want a great job with little effort or knowledge-good luck on that one.

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Bizkit 02/16/13 - 01:57 pm
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Betting that our education

Betting that our education system would suddenly produce a diamond from a lump of coal is a poor bet. It is going to take some "heat" and "pressure" to make that coal a diamond but it can be done with "smart" strategies. Sadly I think we now need to "teach" critical thinking to our youth because it appears to be a skill that evolution is selecting against.Weird you have the Flynn effect in one direction and then this antithetical lack of high order thinking. The first generation of Americans who lack this problem solving skill and will have to be taught how to think.
Good golly.

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rmwhitley 02/16/13 - 02:16 pm
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Some of you
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respondents need a refresher course in arithmetic! $1,000,000,000,000.00 from $0,000,000,000,000.00 is obama math saying we've got plenty of dough. Someone has to be putting something in. Those ( as I mentioned in my first response ) don't pay enough taxes to help offset what they're using to survive. You can offer all of the education you like. If a parent and child decide they wish to remain morons and a drain on those PAYING for them, you can't make them learn. If a child ( on gubmint assistance ) doesn't earn a diploma, her/his Parents should repay ALL educational costs incurred. Don't say "How about those with learning disabilities"? We've set the bar so low a snail can jump over it!

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harley_52 02/16/13 - 02:36 pm
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Who Should Be...

...designing and paying for educational programs for America's children?

In order.....parents, communities, community/industry partnerships, and states.

The federal government is in no position to understand local requirements or oversee educational programs administered at the local level. The ED is a bloated, ineffective, inefficient, meddling, wasteful bureaucracy that does a lot more harm than it does good.

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Willow Bailey 02/16/13 - 03:03 pm
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Let's pay federal tax dollars

He is the master of deceipt; the imperial word changer. Spending is now investing; indoctrination is now education. Let's pay federal tax dollars to line all the little ones' up and teach them to bow and chant..Obama...Obama...Obama.

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Young Fred 02/16/13 - 03:13 pm
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Mr. Lester brings up an

Mr. Lester brings up an important point. Creating another layer of educational bureaucracy equals "a better investment in America". Why you may ask? Well, measuring results means nothing, but - BUT the mere fact that that it sounds good to the uninformed means more, no let me rephrase, it means the most. Reality means less than future voters that "feel" good.

Folks, it's only going to get worse!

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KSL 02/16/13 - 03:53 pm
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I didn't even go to

I didn't even go to kindergarten. How in the h did I get into Ivy League schools and do well.

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burninater 02/16/13 - 05:43 pm
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That is not true, however.

That is not true, however. Our intelligence, our capacity to learn is innate. Pre-K does not increase intelligence, knowledge, or wisdom.
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Sorry, this doesn't even fall into the nature/nurture debate -- you are trying to claim as true a physiologic impossibility.

At birth, the hindbrain, including the brainstem, is the only part of the human brain that is virtually fully formed. The forebrain and midbrain, which are our primary seats of intelligence, knowledge, and wisdom, experience tremendous development between birth and age 6.

This is a perfect example of longterm vs shortterm thinking. There is a profound link between preschool nutritional and educational neglect in impoverished communities, and the cycle of poverty. I know some on these boards have stated in the past that in the case of poor children, nature should be allowed to run its course rather than have taxpayers feed or educate them. However, to those who feel that starvation and neglect are inexcusable in a country of abundance, pre-K investment will likely produce a net reduction in longterm costs associated with means-tested spending.

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harley_52 02/16/13 - 05:51 pm
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Indoctrination.....

....of left-wing ideas by left-wing teachers working for left-wing school Administrators teaching left-wing ideas and left-wing values is what the American public school system is all about.

There are two reasons the left wants to start at four years old. One is to waste more money and the other is to get an early start on left-wing indoctrination.

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