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We don’t disagree with the Obama administration that the preemptive killing of terrorists overseas – even if they are American citizens – is “a legitimate act of national self-defense that would not violate the assassination ban.”

But this is the same administration that claims the “waterboarding” of terror suspects is wrong.

So it’s morally wrong to put their heads under water for information – some even claimed it’s a war crime – but perfectly OK to kill them in drone attacks?

The odd and troubling inconsistencies and utter nonsense in this administration’s policies just keep coming.

The president has claimed for years now that the economy is Job One. But if you watch the news, you know better.

The president just laid off his much-vaunted “Jobs Council” – a committee of business and labor experts tasked with coming up with ideas to get the economy going again.

The group was a Potemkin village all along – a cynical, empty attempt to impress, to give the illusion of movement. The group met twice in four years, and not at all in the past year.

It would be a joke, but when unemployment claims are up and millions are out of work – and the economy is perilously close to another recession – it’s not funny. Clearly, the economy is not Job One with this president.

Now, instead of actually making the economy Job One, the administration is going to the mat for gun control legislation that doesn’t have a prayer of reducing violence – essentially going after law-abiding gun owners and would-be owners, who are the only ones that would obey the law, as criminals by definition do not.

In addition, the health-care law will also sic the IRS on law-abiding citizens, to make sure they buy government-approved health care.

Meanwhile, thugs are making the president’s adopted home town of Chicago a killing field – so much so that the Rev. Jesse Jackson urged the U.S. Department of Homeland Security to start patrolling Chicago streets.

Notwithstanding the illegality of such a request – the Posse Comitatus Act prohibits such a federal intrusion in enforcing state laws – it shows you how out of control the violence is in American cities. And yet, the big push is for gun control that would have next to nothing to do with making city streets safer. The guns Mr. Obama is after are very rarely used in crime.

Instead of showing some leadership on the real problem – which is naked criminality and feral youths wandering America’s cities – Mr. Obama was busy campaigning this week – again – for his irrelevant gun proposals in Minnesota.

We would respectfully suggest, again, that the president stop campaigning and start leading.

Either work with mayors and governors to find real solutions to big-city violence, or start working with Congress on the economy and the budget. One might be able to do both, if taking fewer cross-country trips for chronic campaign appearances.

Consider: The same day the president was in Minnesota, he missed a legal deadline back in Washington to file his federal budget blueprint. For the third time.

In addition, a report at Politico.com this week says Democrats in Congress are frustrated, even exasperated, that the president seems to have no interest in working with them on the country’s problems.

You read right. Even Democrats are throwing their hands up with this president.

“Democrats say they almost never hear from Obama personally, haven’t been to the White House since Rahm Emanuel was still chief of staff ...” Politico writes, and one prominent Democrat who recently spoke to a group of congressional Democrats “came away stunned at their anger toward a president they hardly know.”

The U.S. presidential election system has come to reward the best campaigners – but not necessarily those who govern best. Mr. Obama is the best campaigner we’ve yet seen in this country, but he never stops campaigning.

The economy and the federal budget, with its continued deficits, await in Washington, Mr. President, and America’s cities could use some leadership in tackling violence.

These problems cry out for solutions, not speeches.

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itsanotherday1
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itsanotherday1 02/07/13 - 03:29 pm
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@shrimp

So, you beleieve Bush inherited a great economy from Clinton?

harley_52
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harley_52 02/07/13 - 03:35 pm
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What Else Should We Expect....

...when we make a man about whom we know almost nothing (except that he hangs out with people who hate America) the most powerful man in the world?

harley_52
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harley_52 02/07/13 - 03:47 pm
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Angela...

I'm almost never sarcastic on the 6th of the month. I was serious yesterday.

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Riverman1 02/07/13 - 04:17 pm
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Potemkin TEE Center.

Potemkin TEE Center.

Darby
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Darby 02/07/13 - 05:17 pm
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"Obama should quit supporting gun control....

....measures that the vast majority of U.S. citizens, including mayors, want."

When you begin your post with a statement that is patently false on it's face, then there is really no reason to keep reading it.

Obama supports radical gun reform. Most of the public supports some form of reform. NOT QUITE THE SAME THING!

In addition, the public reaction is in horror to the mass killing of little children and is understandable, but once the shock wears off, the public will realize that Obama is simply using the dead children to infringe on the people's rights. Remember they said it themselves, "Never let a good crisis go to waste."

Once the shock wears off, the public will come to its senses. Obama never will.

shrimp for breakfast
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shrimp for breakfast 02/07/13 - 06:46 pm
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Some posters

Just stir the pot. They don't comment on the article. They just comment on other peoples comments. Trolls. Negative trolls

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KSL 02/07/13 - 06:48 pm
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We can hope, Darby. But the

We can hope, Darby. But the danger of the ever creeping enlarging of the ban still looms.

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specsta 02/07/13 - 07:39 pm
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Maybe It's - Us?

The evidence continues to grow in my conclusion that America is a violent society - rooted in violence and very comfortable embracing violence.

Look no further that the tenacious need to buy and own handguns and assault rifles. The criminals have them - so we MUST HAVE THEM in case some miscreant deserves a bullet in their hide. The government might try to "do something" so we must have plenty of weapons to take on the good 'ol USA. China might invade us - so we must be prepared. Aliens from space might land but a bullet up their antennae will teach 'em a lesson.

Face it -nothing is going to change.

As long as Americans are comfortable with violence - and vengeance and death penalties and harsh punishments - and continue to think that a bullet solves all problems, people will still shoot and kill people. And the reason is because our society does not value LIFE.

I doubt if many Americans had sleepless nights when we rained hell-fire on Iraq and Afghanistan. Not so much as a wink lost when children scurried around in Iraq to pick up the colorful unexploded cluster bomblets and then watch in horror as their limbs detached.

How many Americans are concerned about the millions of non-violent prisoners in our society and their treatment in our jails and prisons? How many give a thought to the mentally ill in this country? Or the destitute? The disabled? The hungry?

Nope. We focus our attention on "me, mine, and myself". As long as gun violence doesn't visit our home, as long as it's the poor teen in the 'hood getting shot up, why concern ourselves? As long as that inmate isn't a family member, why should we care? They probably got what they deserve. As long as it's somebody else's child being blown to bits on a battlefield, why should we worry about it? That's the comfortable state that most folks find themselves in - complete denial.

And so the violence continues and the guns are bought and sold and the wars don't stop and we merrily go along with our lives.

harley_52
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harley_52 02/07/13 - 08:12 pm
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Americans....

.....who mistakenly believe that America is a violent society probably need to get out more.

Murder rates, by nation:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita

Rape rates, by nation:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita

rebellious
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rebellious 02/07/13 - 09:02 pm
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hven't read the comments

but when I heard about this ruling, I decided not to be caught outside the country while Barry is the POTUS.

Just being carefull is all.

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burninater 02/07/13 - 10:47 pm
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Harley, you do realize that

Harley, you do realize that the U.S. is not on those lists because whoever made them deliberately left us off, right? If the U.S. were included, we would rank number 6 on the murder list, at 48 per million.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

We would be number 5 on the rape list, at 0.27 per 1000.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics

Claiming we have low rape and murder rates by linking lists that deliberately leave the U.S. off is classic.

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harley_52 02/07/13 - 10:57 pm
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Classic...

Claiming Wikipedia is an accurate and superior source, while producing ZERO evidence to support your claim that another source deliberately misrepresented their data is a true classic.

You do realize, don't you, that Wikipedia is probably the least authoritative data available, I mean except for claims by liberals on discussion boards like this.

Darby
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Darby 02/07/13 - 11:00 pm
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"Some posters Just stir the pot. They don't....

....comment on the article."

Kind of like the post this quote was taken from....

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Darby 02/07/13 - 11:02 pm
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"Wikipedia is probably the least authoritative....

....data available, I mean except for claims by liberals on discussion boards like this."

Wish I had said that..

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harley_52 02/07/13 - 11:07 pm
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Big Cities, With Democrat Mayors...

....are the crime capitols of the USA. Here's the Top Ten....

Violence Rank – City/State – Mayor – Political Party

1. Flint, Michigan – Dayne Walling – Democrat

2. Detroit, Michigan – Dave Bing – Democrat

3. Saint Louis, Missouri – Francis G. Slay – Democrat

4. New Haven, Connecticut – John DeStefano, Jr – Democrat

5. Memphis, Tennessee – Mayor A C Wharton, Jr. – Democrat

6. Oakland, California – Jean Quan – Democrat

7. Little Rock, Arkansas – Mark Stodola – Democrat

8. Baltimore, Maryland – Stephanie Rawlings-Blake – Democrat

9. Rockford, Illinois – Lawrence J. Morrissey – Independent

10. Stockton, California – Ann Johnston – Democrat

FBI crime statistics are here http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-....

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/11/america%e2%80%99s-most-dangerous-citie...

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Bizkit 02/07/13 - 11:15 pm
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I prefer the orginal resource

I prefer the orginal resource but a wikipedia article can be good if it has the proper peer-reviewed journals or bona fide statistics from a govt office. I've written and contributed to a few of them a few years back. I had some time to kill but the problem with anyone can contribute is you get into debates with someone who turns out to be 13 but that has been mostly weeded out. The main problem is it is a consensus process so despite all your well documented posits editors will just ignore the data with little argument to defend their stance. I quit and many other good editors left too because of such nonsense.

burninater
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burninater 02/08/13 - 02:22 am
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Claiming Wikipedia is an

Claiming Wikipedia is an accurate and superior source, while producing ZERO evidence to support your claim that another source deliberately misrepresented their data is a true classic.

You do realize, don't you, that Wikipedia is probably the least authoritative data available, I mean except for claims by liberals on discussion boards like this.
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Harley, you clearly have not looked closely at the lists you posted. Look at the countries on those lists. Do you see ANY country in N. America, S. America, Africa, or SE Asia on the homicide list? Do you really think Switzerland, for instance, has a higher murder rate than Haiti, or Columbia, or Mexico, or Zimbabwe, or Somalia? These are clearly, without question, selected lists. Specifically, the homicide rates are of European countries, with an assortment of former Soviets and N. Zealand. They are not rankings of all countries by murder rate. The U.S. is not on here, because it was not included in the study. The 48 per 1,000,000 number for homicides in the U.S. was not created by Wikipedia, it is the rate reported by the UNODC, and the FBI for 2010. The FBI's number for 2011 is 47 per million. Comparing that number to the list in your link, the U.S. sits at 5 on that list. This does not mean that the U.S. is number 5 in the world, as the list you linked obviously leaves out the majority of the countries around the globe.

Note what I am saying: the data you posted is not wrong -- it just is only data for a very small selection of countries. And that selection does not include the U.S..

burninater
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burninater 02/08/13 - 12:03 am
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http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/c

Harley --

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-...

This is the 2010 murder rate from the FBI stats you used above. It is 4.8 per 100,000. Compare that to your list from nationmaster.com. Do you see what's going on now with the nationmaster.com lists? According to the FBI sourced data, if the U.S. were included in the nationmaster.com list, we would be number 5 on that list for homicide per capita.

burninater
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burninater 02/08/13 - 12:07 am
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That thumbs down is all well

That thumbs down is all well and good, but hopefully y'all have looked at the FBI data, and where it puts us relative to European countries as a whole. We can't implement good policy if we are operating on false perceptions.

burninater
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burninater 02/08/13 - 12:39 am
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Harley, your 10:07 is also

Harley, your 10:07 is also apparently not accurate.

Look at the list you copy/pasted, and look at the FBI data that blog post used as a source.

Here's one example: St. Louis is claimed to be #3 on the list, with Flint, and Detroit the only two cities with higher violent crime rates.

St. Louis has a rate, according to your source, of 497.4/100,000. The list claims it is #3, with only Flint, and Detroit, above it.

Here are some other cities on the FBI list, and their violent crime rates -- all from your source:

Sumter, SC - 708.6
Tallahasee, FL - 774.9
Tampa, FL - 500
Texarkana, TX - 739
Spartanburg, SC - 492.9
Houston, TX - 620.7

This is just scratching the surface of cities reported by the FBI in the data supporting that list. All those I listed have higher violent crime rates than St. Louis, but the Daily Caller list omits them. You can see it clearly for yourself, if you choose to look at the data. The person that posted that list on the Daily Caller deliberately misrepresented the data, knowing most people would not check the source.

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Humble Angela 02/08/13 - 10:31 am
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If you consider pointing out
Unpublished

If you consider pointing out when other posters are putting up false and unsubstantiated claims and presenting them as though they are true as "negative trolling" then I'm proudly guilty.

Darby
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Darby 02/08/13 - 06:17 pm
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Burn - Have you ever graced Sumter, SC with your presence????

I have and wonder why it's on your list. Blink while you are driving through and you might just miss the entire town.

Given that you are talking about violent crime ratio per 100,000 population and given that Sumter has nowhere near 100,000 citizens, I'm thinking there's a serious flaw in your research.

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