Shooting the messenger

Armed-guard plan was waved away merely because it came from the NRA

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Let’s be real here.

The “mainstream” media didn’t reject out of hand the notion of putting armed guards in every school in America because it’s a bad idea. If President Obama would’ve proposed it, his lapdog media would have lapped it up dutifully.

Instead, it’s shot down because it came from the National Rifle Association.

Let’s look at the logic.

First ask yourself what might have prevented the Newtown massacre. Gun laws? Connecticut has some of the strictest in the nation. Then ask most law enforcement officers whether legal guns are even the problem in this country. They’re not. It’s illegal guns, wielded by ne’er-do-wells who don’t check the legal ads in the newspaper to see what they can and can’t do.

Could locked doors and a security system have stopped it? No. Sandy Hook had just such a system.

Again, we can look at the gun laws and have a debate about what more can be done – as long as the dialogue is reasoned, logical and dispassionate. But we’ve yet to hear any proposal that would pass constitutional muster that would prevent such crimes. There’s no such evidence from the former assault weapons ban, either.

So where is the NRA wrong when it posits that “the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun”?

And if armed “good guys” isn't a good idea, why do so many politicians and celebrities have them?

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omnomnom
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omnomnom 12/29/12 - 04:09 am
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"Armed-guard plan was waved

"Armed-guard plan was waved away merely because it came from the NRA"

No, it was waved away because its probably cost prohibitive (tax increase anyone?) and a knee-jerk reaction to do it on a national level.

What the in James B. Messerly Wastewater plant is an "illegal gun"????

you mean "illegally possessed" gun, riiiiiight?

My harping aside, I do agree with the sentiment of your last sentence.

How 'bout doing away with "gun-free" zones first, and allowing (but not demanding) teachers and staff who have gone through rigorous training to carry?

Also maybe, leave it up to each state or locality to handle school security, maybe?

DanK
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DanK 12/29/12 - 08:07 am
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There is no problem here

You want armed guards in the schools? Well, do it. There are many, many schools in the U.S. that have armed security. Columbine had armed security. Most high schools and middle schools in large cities have armed security.

There is no conspiracy from the liberals. Obama would be happy if you put armed guards in your schools. In fact, I think there are armed security in some of the schools in Augusta.

All you gotta do is raise taxes to pay for them.

Oh! You want the federal government to pay for them? But ... I thought you wanted local control, reduced federal taxes.

I get it, you want armed security in the schools if somebody else pays for it. Otherwise it's a liberal media conspiracy headed by Obama. Uh, right.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 12/29/12 - 08:30 am
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Just the Facts

Let's look at the views against schools having armed guards carefully. Liberals say vague things like "there would only be another dead person if a guard were armed, look at Columbine" and so on. First off the armed guard at Columbine got off two shots at the killers early on and with a little luck could have ended it all right there. At least they had a shot at stopping the massacre in the literal sense. In North Carolina an armed teacher stopped a killer after he had murdered his mother at home and two students at school.

If guns are ineffective, why do bank armored car personnel, hospital guards locally, Wash DC government offices, college campus officers and school guards where Obama's daughters go have them?

As for cost, almost every school has a teacher or two who would be willing to voluntarily be armed or even carry their own weapon at school. More than likely every school already has teachers who are licensed, concealed weapon permit holders. Some schools already have paid guards who would be willing to be armed at little additional cost. In Israel, three teachers in every school are armed.

The facts are armed personnel give us a measure of protection against bad people and it's not cost prohibitive to have armed personnel.

Bulldog1
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Bulldog1 12/29/12 - 11:25 am
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Armed guards seem to work for Obama

The liberals are freaking out because they know that armed security is an excellent idea that is already working in many places. The idea that a firearm is of value in any circumstance is abhorrent to them. Yet, as pointed out, large numbers of these people have armed body guards or actually carry a firearm themselves. I can’t imagine Mr. Obama suggesting that the Secret Service leave their guns at home, because they are a bad idea which doesn’t work.
The considerable nationwide cost to implement a school guard plan would obviously be most efficiently borne by the local school district, but it is still only 1.25 officers per school. How much are our children worth? I think that a good deal of the issue is an unwillingness for many to face up to the fact that school killings are a very rare event and the cost to prevent such events 100% of the time is not practicable. They take the position that every life is priceless, but then complain that taking effective action to protect them is too costly. The use of armed security will reduce, but not absolutely prevent, a determined attack by a deranged individual. Armed security is however, a reasonably priced alternative to any other suggestion put forward so far and it is certainly better than what we have now.

grouse
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grouse 12/29/12 - 01:37 pm
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I guess the Chronicle missed
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I guess the Chronicle missed the story about three policemen shot in a police station just the other day...

Truth Matters
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Truth Matters 12/29/12 - 04:54 pm
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Armed guards

I could perhaps support armed guards in some circumstances. What concerns me is the trigger happy guard who over reacts to a loud mouth kid. That should be a teachable moment, not a death moment.

Some admin/teachers do not have the temperament to carry a weapon around harmonial-crazed school kids (middle and high schoolers).

Truth Matters
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Truth Matters 12/29/12 - 04:58 pm
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Now, what do we do about the

Now, what do we do about the guy who shows up at the mall, movie theater, grocery store, etc.? There is no need to have the kind of weapons on the street that should be reserved for war/combat.

Armed guards in schools is only one possible response.

Truth Matters
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Truth Matters 12/29/12 - 05:10 pm
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Bulldog1

The president signed a bill that allowed weapons in national parks. Some Tea Party members brandished their weapons when at venues where the president appeared. Not very smart!

Had a so called "black militant" or Muslim done the same around pres. Bush all h--- would have broke out, and rightfully so. Until you people accept that America has only one president at a time, whether you voted for him or not....Heaven help us.

Presidents and their family need protection because of the potential threat to national security were they held hostage. You seem like a bright person and must know that, right?

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 12/29/12 - 06:46 pm
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Tm.please cite your source

Tm.please cite your source about tea party members and guns at events of obumler.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 12/29/12 - 07:03 pm
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"Until you people accept that

"Until you people accept that America has only one president at a time, whether you voted for him or not....Heaven help us."

Until you people accept that America only has one Constitution, whether you approve of it or not....Heaven help us.

I mean it's the Second Amendment. What's so hard to understand?

Riverman1
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Riverman1 12/29/12 - 07:06 pm
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"What concerns me is the

"What concerns me is the trigger happy guard who over reacts to a loud mouth kid. That should be a teachable moment, not a death moment."

When is the last time an armed guard of any kind has overreacted and killed someone?

Willow Bailey
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Willow Bailey 12/29/12 - 08:11 pm
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Could I get some more thumbs

Could I get some more thumbs up for River? I only had two.

myfather15
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myfather15 12/29/12 - 08:54 pm
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The teacher at Sandy Hook who

The teacher at Sandy Hook who gave her life, shielding her children with her body, you don't think she would have defended them with a firearm? Someone this brave would have quickly done whatever they could to defend those children. I don't believe someone this brave would have given a second thought to defending those children with a gun. With professional firearms training, these brave teachers and principals would do well defending the children of their schools, with much less expense than armed police. I agree, only volunteers would go through the training and carry. But if we had 6 or 7 volunteers in each school, that would help dramatically. The guns would be locked in a VERY EXPENSIVE lock box, inside their desk. Only that teacher would have a key to that lockbox. Again, these are our teachers and principals, do we not believe they are responsible enough to secure a key? If that teacher is in her classroom and hears a Pop, Pop, Pop and many more coming from another part of the school; She could get her children into a corner and retrieve her/his firearm and either prepare to protect or actually go confront the shooter.

It's no different than trusting law enforcement to carry a firearm and their judgement in using it. These teachers would be taught the proper use of deadly force and get extensive training on shooting the firearm. THIS WOULD WORK and wouldn't be expensive.

OpenCurtain
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OpenCurtain 12/29/12 - 09:48 pm
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Hint

Secure the building like we would to keep a terrorist out of it.

Visit the Phinzy Rd Jail, no seriously walk in and look at KISS
Keep If Simple & Secure.

Bulletproof Teller windows slide out drawer, speaker phone with Electric button controlled Steel Access Doors for access beyond the front area.

Put one of these in every school front entrance.
Make all other exit doors have 15 second delay with alarm that Open Out with No grab handle on the outside.

One time cost $250K per school.

So add $10.00 to my annual taxes and see if I whine even a little about protecting my Grand-Kids.

Regarding armed security in Richmond Co., isn't that what the RCBOE Police are?

Willow Bailey
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Willow Bailey 12/29/12 - 09:56 pm
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Not going to work for the

Not going to work for the evil world to know the teacher has a gun in a lockbox. She'll be dead one second after the assailant enters the room.

The bad guys have to be prevented from getting on the grounds in the first place.

Some unknown "sky" marshals would be more effective and some "teller" style panic buttons, Manned video monitors in every room would be.helpful as well. Any timprovements will be costly.

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harley_52 12/29/12 - 11:07 pm
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When All The Whining...

....is over, we will have armed guards in schools.

Nothing else is practical and nothing else will be effective.

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justus4 12/30/12 - 06:10 am
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After this article, lets test
Unpublished

After this article, lets test that theory: If armed "good guys" or have every man "armed" because bad people would fear for their lives if they crossed the "good guys" then let's apply that theory to a global arena. Every nation be armed with nuclear weapons - not just the eight today - and let's see which theory is more practical. (Got ya!) The NRA is on the wrong side of history - assault weapons are for soldiers not for a civilian wanna be.

Truth Matters
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Truth Matters 12/30/12 - 06:11 pm
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Nofanofobama... Sorry, don't

Nofanofobama...
Sorry, don't know who you are taking about. "Obumler" ???

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