New constitution, less freedom

Egypt's Islamist leadership won't foster liberty or peace

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It’s as if the major leaders of the world all got together and secretly decided to play chicken – with their economies, with each other and with world peace.

As Washington appeared poised to dive off the fiscal cliff by failing to agree on a way to prevent huge tax increases and spending cuts by the end of the year, Egypt’s new Islamist constitution virtually guaranteed even worse times ahead there and in the Mideast generally.

With its new Islam-based constitution, Egypt, formerly governed by a predictable secular government, is essentially becoming another Iran – a theocracy under Sharia law. It will mean less freedom for Egyptians and likely a much worse economy because of an almost certain sustained drop in tourism.

Egypt’s government debt already was downgraded by Standard and Poor’s earlier in December, and on Thursday the regime revealed further weakness by canceling a sale of treasury bills.

If President Mohamed Morsi thinks, as he apparently does, that the approval of his Islamist constitution will bring on peace and prosperity, he’s likely got another thing coming.

The Mideast, and the free world, can hardly withstand another major Iranian-style theocracy sprouting, but that’s apparently our lot.

Meanwhile, a new report warns that Christianity is in danger of being routed in the Mideast, as worshippers face increasing persecution.

“It is generally accepted that many faith-based groups face discrimination or persecution to some degree,” says a report by think tank Civitas. “A far less widely grasped fact is that Christians are targeted more than any other body of believers.”

As the report ominously notes, “Religious freedom is the canary in the mine for human rights generally.”

Theocracies tend to oppress their own people, persecute those of other faiths, and often threaten their neighbors. And we appear to have just gotten a big addition to the family of theocracies in Egypt.

With all that and Iran closing in on obtaining nuclear weapons capabilities, peace and human freedom, in short, may be on the run in 2013.

Where’s the leadership leading us to freedom and peace?

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Fundamental_Arminian
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Fundamental_Arminian 12/28/12 - 04:48 am
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There seems to be a pattern

    Meanwhile, a new report warns that Christianity is in danger of being routed in the Mideast, as worshippers face increasing persecution (editorial).

There seems to be a pattern. Our government, which is unfriendly to Christianity here, is working with Al Qaeda and other militant Muslim groups to suppress it overseas. Our tax dollars at work in an Arab spring that looks like a total failure. With the fiscal cliff and debt ceiling imminent, now would be a good time to quit our foolish meddling and bring our troops home.

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carcraft 12/28/12 - 06:44 am
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I see very little that

I see very little that President Obama has done that is for the good of America. President Obama has supported those that have under mined freedom from Hounduras to Iran to Egypt. President Obama has created more debt in 4 years than George Bush did in eight years. President Obama has failed to negotiate in good faith (first it was raise taxes on millionaire and now it is those over $ 200,000.00/year or couples over $250,000.00/ year). This constant moving the bar and target makes negotiations impossible. then President Obama wants the right to raise the debt ceiling with out congress, a clear violation of the US Constitution. President Obama has done nothing about Iran and continues the lies about Lybia (no those who failed the US consulate staff that were killed have not been fired, they just switched jobs). On and on it goes. So as we go over the fiscal cliff we will find that those tax cuts that were only for the rich when Bush was president actually lower the taxes on a lot of lower income Americans. Enjoy, you elected the vacationing (more hours of golf than President Obama spent with his family) president ($4million of tax payers funds for this juant to Hawaii) will just blame the Republicans. Of course Obama has done nothing or offered nothing to make a deal work!

Techfan
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Techfan 12/28/12 - 06:44 am
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"Egypt, formerly governed by

"Egypt, formerly governed by a predictable secular government". So was Iraq. It's called a dictatorship.

Jane18
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Jane18 12/28/12 - 06:56 am
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A Poor, Dependent, Country

Egypt was prophesied to always be a "base" nation, and they always have been. Now, we will see just how much more "base" they can become. They were, and are losers, and they will continue to be......., for the same reason it has been for approximately 6,000 years!

Truth Matters
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Truth Matters 12/28/12 - 07:01 am
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Freedom

Fundamental...I agree in part with your assessment that it's time to bring our troops home. Since 2008, I have felt that the way some in elected office have thumbed their nose at certain freedoms many of us know people died to preserve, is an affront to those asked to protect those same liberties overseas.

I could name a few but it's treadmill/work out time...maybe later today!

Truth Matters
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Truth Matters 12/28/12 - 07:06 am
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Obama; again

Those who see little that this President has done that is good, choose to NOT see it. Even I was able to put on objective lenses from time to time and give President Bush credit. You get what you look for. Look for fault, that's what you will see.

Denial is not a river in Egypt! It's the dribble on this site.

Truth Matters
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Truth Matters 12/28/12 - 07:09 am
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Debt

Intellectual honesty means that you don't blame people for debt incurred to dig the country out of the hole that the previous president and administration ran us in. But that would be blaming some one else, you say. No, that would be telling the truth.

Techfan
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Techfan 12/28/12 - 08:02 am
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US spending since 2009 (Bush's last budget)

2009-$3.517 trillion
2010-$3.456 trillion
2011-$3.603 trillion
2012-$3.795 trillion (est)
2013-$3.803 trillion (est)

That averages roughly $150 billion per year more than Bush's last budget, or an increase of about 4% per year. That's slightly above the rate of inflation, but the inflation rate doesn't include fuel costs so it's about equal to the inflation rate. This shows that Obama is not the big spender that his detractors try to claim.

OpenCurtain
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OpenCurtain 12/28/12 - 08:03 am
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All of you would do well to read

the Proposed again /Up-Dated US Constitution.
It was initially proposed back in the mid 1990's and has been dusted off again.

We may very well be seeing an update after 230+ years happen under the Obama lead administration.

It has some interesting "adjustments".

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Riverman1 12/28/12 - 08:04 am
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Intellectual?

Being honest means recognizing the Democrats forced banks to make loans to people who couldn't make their payments. That's what brought the booming economy to a halt. Obama has only made it worse.

Remember Obama's speech in Cairo in 2009 that encouraged the Arab Spring. His press secretary, Robert Gibbs, said Cairo was chosen because "it is a country that in many ways represents the heart of the Arab world."

If that's the case, we are in big trouble.

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ultrarnr 12/28/12 - 08:06 am
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Lack of Understanding
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This again shows a complete lack of understanding of mideast politics by the AC editorial staff. What happened to the right of a country to determine its own government. We supported a dictatorship in Egypt for a long time that was finally overthrown by the people. In the ensuing election the Muslim Brotherhood was the most organized of all parties and won the majority of the vote. History shows that as time passes and a country gets more comfortable with democracy leadership will moderate. Look at the history of this country. When our government was first established it was all about rich white men. Women could not vote and slavery was endorsed by the ruling class. It took until 1920 for women to get suffrage and almost 200 years before African Americans gained true equality. Maybe we should let the political process play out in Egypt instead of damning a government that does not fit in the narrow mold of what the AC editorial staff sees as its world view.

Techfan
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Techfan 12/28/12 - 09:01 am
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"Being honest means

"Being honest means recognizing the Democrats forced banks to make loans to people who couldn't make their payments" No, the law outlawed redlining, meaning that banks couldn't withhold loans from QUALIFIED borrowers because of where they lived. The banks and morttgage companies on their own loaned money to iffy borrowers because they, the real estate industry (realtors and appraisers) over inflated the values of homes and thought it was a no lose situation because home values were going to keep escalating. The government had nothing to do with it, place the blame where it correctly lies: banks/mortgage brokers/the real estate industry/appraisers/ and you can maybe throw in local politicians who said nothing because they liked the increased revenue from the over appraised real estate. The Fed had nothing to do with it. That would be being honest.

Techfan
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Techfan 12/28/12 - 09:13 am
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Did the AC write editorials

Did the AC write editorials and the right wingers post complaining about the US spending over a trillion $$$ and thousands of Americans lives to topple a dictator in Iraq to end up with Muslim government? I seem to have missed them.

Techfan
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Techfan 12/28/12 - 09:22 am
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Civitas?? Calling it a "think" tank is a stretch.

One guy's agenda does not a think tank make.

It's Art Pope's baby. He provides over 99% of the funding for Civitas.

Art Pope is the president and vice-chairman of the board of directors for Variety Wholesalers Inc., and a director of the right-wing group Americans for Prosperity, which organized the Tax Day Tea Parties across the country, and which organized "town hall" opposition to health care reform in 2009. He is a member of the board of directors of the John Locke Foundation, the Atlas Economic Research Foundation, and the North Carolina Retail Merchants Association.

An investigation by Facing South / Institute for Southern Studies also found that Pope has close ties to the Koch Brothers, as one of four national directors of the Koch-founded political advocacy group Americans for Prosperity. In addition, Pope is a director and board chair of a family foundation, the Pope Foundation, which has steered millions to conservative thinks tanks in North Carolina and nationally that have worked closely with the Koch network to manufacture doubt about global warming, including his own John Locke Foundation.

Overall, a 2010 Facing South / Institute for Southern Studies analysis of tax records found that a foundation chaired by Art Pope supplies about 90 percent of the income of leading conservative nonprofits in North Carolina.

A New Yorker expose explains that Pope invests not only in conservative non-profits, but in state-level political elections designed to make his takeover of the North Carolina GOP complete. Marc Farinella, an adviser to North Carolina Governor Bev Perdue, commented that "The Republican agenda in North Carolina is really Art Pope’s agenda. He sets it, he funds it, and he directs the efforts to achieve it. The candidates are just fronting for him. There are so many people in North Carolina beholden to Art Pope—it undermines the democratic process.”
Sourcewatch

Bizkit
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Bizkit 12/28/12 - 09:41 am
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Wrong data on deficits

Wrong data on deficits according to this article it's 8%(Bush was 3%) and highest of any president. http://www.heritage.org/federalbudget/budget-create-deficits?gclid=ci-pr...
2013 United States federal budget - $3.8 trillion (submitted 2012 by President Obama)[124]
2012 United States federal budget - $3.7 trillion (submitted 2011 by President Obama)
2011 United States federal budget - $3.8 trillion (submitted 2010 by President Obama)
2010 United States federal budget - $3.6 trillion (submitted 2009 by President Obama)
2009 United States federal budget - $3.1 trillion (submitted 2008 by President Bush)
2008 United States federal budget - $2.9 trillion (submitted 2007 by President Bush)

Jon Lester
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Jon Lester 12/28/12 - 09:50 am
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Can we stop giving them money now?

And Israel, too. Iranians have actually prided themselves on self-sufficiency in the face of sanctions and other adversity. Maybe if other countries in the region have to make do with their own resources, without any help from us, they'll find new and creative ways to approach their problems.

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dichotomy 12/28/12 - 10:16 am
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"which organized the Tax Day

"which organized the Tax Day Tea Parties across the country, and which organized "town hall" opposition to health care reform in 2009."

So what's your point? Sounds like a good resume to me. Sounds like middle of the road positions to me....particularly the opposition to Obamacare thing since most people still don't like it. I'd say the guy is centerist patriot who spends his OWN money to promote his beliefs. Unlike the Democrats who spend OUR money to promote THEIR beliefs.

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oneofthesane 12/28/12 - 10:58 am
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dichotomy
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dichotomy 12/28/12 - 10:59 am
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News flash folks: Bush has

News flash folks: Bush has been gone for 4 years. Obama has a track record.

"I'll cut the deficit in half in my first term".

ZERO reduction in deficit. $16.3 trillion in debt and going over $20 trillion in debt by the end of Obama's 8 years. Maybe more when the tax increases go into effect and the revenue actually goes down. We are printing worthless money. We have not cut spending. We have a healthcare system being implemented that will add to our bankruptcy. And Obama's only big idea is to raise taxes on the middle class "rich" enough to fund the government about 3 days and kill more jobs.

Don't blame Bush for what is about to happen. Hey, you won. Start saying "Obama" when you talk about the wars. Start saying "Obama" when you talk about the debt. Start saying "Obama" when you talk about unemployment. Start saying "Obama" when you talk about GTMO. Start saying "Obama" when you talk about terrorists attacks and ambassadors being murdered. Start saying "Obama" next month when your payroll taxes go up. Start saying "Obama" when your doctor quits and you can't find another one that will take Medicare or Obamacare. Start saying "Obama" the next time somebody "over there" breaks wind and gas runs back up to $5 a gallon. Start saying "Obama" when you look at your electric bill. Start saying "Obama" when you go grocery shopping and prices have doubled.

Bush is gone. These are all Obama and the Democrat's policies. They had two years of absolute control and all you got for it was Obamacare....which has turned out to be a pig in a poke.

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oneofthesane 12/28/12 - 11:12 am
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These are all Obama and the Democrat's policies........
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dichotomy, don't you know only racists SUPPORT Obama. He is the first black president, he can never do no wrong in "their" eyes. It is so much easier for them to blame it on the white man before him and the white man in congress etc that wont allow Obama to be the dictator they oh so want him to be. They have been blaming the white man for decades and decades and they now think "they" won. Ummmm, no sir/ma'am.....America is losing, not winning.

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Bizkit 12/28/12 - 12:28 pm
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No logic to progressives

Progressives keep blaming Bush for our economic crisis but that was because he and Congress spent like drunken sailors on leave. They expanded govt and spent too much-now the progressive solution appears to be more of the same. Obama just adopted the failed economic policies of GW Bush spending, stimulus, etc. It's ridiculous.

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faithson 12/28/12 - 12:44 pm
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journalistic balance

I have always been amazed at how the AC editorial board can use a report it finds supportive of their point of view, no matter its partisan views, only to reject out of hand other reports that are not to its partisan liking. Real journalism is a reporting of 'all' the facts, not just those to stoke up the patriots.

ultrarnr
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ultrarnr 12/28/12 - 01:57 pm
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Real Journalism
Unpublished

Calling the AC real journalism is a major stretch of the imagination.

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Gage Creed 12/28/12 - 02:12 pm
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ahem....this is the opinion

ahem....this is the opinion section.....nevermind

Darby
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Darby 12/28/12 - 02:17 pm
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Obama has done nothing, absolutely nothing...

....to "dig us out" of debt. What he has done is throw away Bush's shovel and replaced it with a back hoe that he bought on deferred credit from China.

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Darby 12/28/12 - 02:23 pm
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"Real journalism is a reporting of 'all' the facts"....

You might try telling that to the editorial staff of the New York Times or any of the liberal rags that over-populate this nation. However, that admonition would fall on deaf ears, given that editorials reflect the view of the newspaper's owners and NOT the news.

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Darby 12/28/12 - 02:37 pm
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"No, the law outlawed redlining, meaning that banks couldn't....

.... withhold loans from QUALIFIED borrowers because of where they lived."

Then the Dems pressured the banks to redefine "QUALIFIED" and the rest is our woeful history...

oneofthesane
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oneofthesane 12/28/12 - 02:57 pm
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I have always been amazed at how the AC editorial board can use
Unpublished

It is still a free country for the time being, there are other newspapers you can read that perhaps would suit more of your tastes. Should I start arguing that AC doesn't like animals because they dont report on a report about the possible extinction of the beluga whale? Yes, your statement sounded just as silly.

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grouse 12/28/12 - 04:23 pm
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The Chronicle bemoans a Constitution based on Sharia law, but is all for Christian-Judeo as part of our laws...

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dahreese 12/28/12 - 05:21 pm
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@Darby; "Then the Dems
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@Darby; "Then the Dems pressured the banks to redefine "QUALIFIED" and the rest is our woeful history..."

If you have a "qualified source" for this statement, a lot of us would like to read it. Such a source would include who, when and where Democrats pressured the banks to redefine qualified.

The fact is, and I was in real estate at the time this started, the lending institutions and real estate firms saw an opportunity to persuade borrowers they could afford more housing than they actually could.

In fact, if you'll look at a real estate book in your local grocery, you'll see in the front of back of it a diagram that state if you have a certain income, you can afford "this much" in monthly payments.

Fact of that is, most folks can't unless they have a substantial down payment to begin with. Most folks don't.

The lending institutions and realty corporations (Wall Sstreet) saw this down-fall coming, but their commissions were so good, they didn't have the self-discipline to stop.

And now, it's Mr. and Mrs. America paying for it.

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